Evidence-Based Medicine: US Healthcare in the year 2525

by: donkeytale

Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:17:52 AM EST

Actually, before then. The above date is just a cheap lead-in for a patented, stale donkeytale oldie song alert. (Stay tuned until the end of this dairy, please).

First, lets acknowledge that Obamacare is a necessary first step, one fraught with errors and half-steps, compromises, sell-outs to corporate medicine. But let's also be real. Lasting change in social structures almost always develops incrementally.

No matter how we misread poorly designed polls stating otherwise, single payer and public option health plans were not going to pass Congress in 2009-10, and the people were not going to clamor for same in large enough numbers to demand their legislators' attention.

donkeytale :: Evidence-Based Medicine: US Healthcare in the year 2525
No matter how we misread poorly designed polls stating otherwise, single payer and public option health plans were not going to pass Congress in 2009-10, and the people were not going to clamor for same in large enough numbers to demand their legislators' attention.

What is most important in learning to walk is taking the first step, no matter how halting, shaky and bound to fall down and go bump...but the future requires nothing less than taking the first step forward.

Here's my prediction: by 2030, healthcare will be entirely socialised, either through national integration of delivery or a series of locally integrated systems. Obamacare is just the first step in that inevitable direction (and the process will continue regardless of who wins in 2012 or if Obamacare is repealed in 2013). Obamacare forces insurance companies to limit premium increases. This will impact the way in which medical care is delivered to the insured populations. Already, we see a trend towards hospitals becoming insurance companies, insurance companies buying up physician practices and an overall consolidation within a business model that is irrational: peoples' lives at stake while the currently disparate parts of the same system (hospitals, drug companies, physicians, medical device makers) all compete against each other to maximize their profits, thus driving up costs as the patient becomes a mere statistic on the bottom line.

"Integrated healthcare delivery" is what they call it. I call it the US version of nationalising healthcare inside locally-based, privatised pods built around hospitals and physicians. The lines between the special interests which today account for so much adminstrative wastefulness and padded profits to the detriment of us all, will blur and the system will soon enough become either a truly nationalised integrated model like NHS, or remain a privatised version controlled by government regulation and oversight.

And yes, she who controls the levers of government will control the direction of the healthcare system. Same as it ever was.

Soon to come will be limits on how much hospitals (the main cost driver, along with Rx drugs) will be allowed to charge for services (similar to current Medicare payment policy), and an enforced (as opposed to voluntary) ethical guideline for the way in which physicians practice and treat patients.

Today, there are already many physicians who get it. One is a friend of mine, a Canadian by birth and medical training who runs a lean family practice clinic capable of treating 60-70 patients per day during regular business hours, with only a registered nurse (not a nurse practitioner, either) in support of him.

How does he manage it? First, he is there for his patients at all times of the day and night, seven days a week, not just for those 8 minutes in the exam room. They all have his personal cell phone number and are encouraged to call him anytime. Literally. He answers his phone at 3:30 in the morning. Surprisingly, the good Doctor reports that patients are respectful of his time and privacy and few if any abuse the privilege he extends them.

Second, he doesn't overtreat, oversubscribe Rx or testing. He listens to complaints, he follows a cautious approach and he encourages patients to get involved in their own health between visits by making notes of their symptoms, recording changes between office visits and emailing the notes back to him the day before they return for the next appointment. If they cannot email they bring the notes with them. If they are illiterate, they are encouraged to include their children/grandchildren in the process. If they are illiterate and have no participating children/grandchildren, then the doctor allots them more time during their appointments so he can gain an understanding of their symptomology since the previous visit.

Unsurprisingly, this physician is now on the radar of major national insurance companies, at least two of whom have offered to acquire his practice in exchange for his teaching them the secrets of his successful primary care management of nearly 3,000 regular patients.

He makes an excellent living for himself in the process, although he lives rather modestly and carries none of the "I am God, therefore do not speak to me unless spoken to first by me" demeanor of so many physicians.

The new era of medicine will be accomplished either through additional legislation aimed at private insurance companies/hospitals/physicians/Rx companies/device makers or the creation (finally) of Medicare for all. It may take 15 more years, but it is as inevitable as the end of the non-Latino caucasian majority in this country.

The practice of medicine will change tremendously during the next two decades, as will much else in our technologically fungible environment, forced by the economic impact of cost reductions through Obamacare (on Medicare mostly, but private insurers who more and more administer Medicare plans will follow suit in their "commercial" or group insurance plans) and the transition to a system that is based less on reacting to symptomology and increasingly on a wholistic wellness approach (Obamacare pays 100% for annual physicals) to the individual's physical condition, aided by technology and yes indeed, by ever increasing and creative uses of the internets!

The younger generations coming along, who may as well have social media and I-pads implanted into their neurological circuitry, will respond to the new organizational structuring of medical care delivery through telecommunications by becoming connected to healthier nutrition, exercise, moderate habits and encouragement to interact with the health system as represented by the family physician, at least in comparison to today's generation.

My doctor friend uses I-Pad extensively in his practice. He has yet to make the leap into social media, or connecting with his patients by blog, providing them a forum to explore healthcare issues, nutrition, etc.  But we have discussed these potentials often, and its only a matter of time (and economic incentive to do so, which is also an experiment under PPACA) including opening an exercise center next to his clinic, which will be offered free to his patients who commit to a workout regimen along with nutrional classes. counseling and other pro-active steps toward healthy minds and bodies.

These are initiatives aimed at the children primarily, because his practice is located in a relatively poor socioeconomic area where parental free time is at a premium and blogging is far down the list of necessary activities. But the kids. Everything we do today must be for the kids. No one accepts this dynamic more than the so-called "illegal alien."

May our antecedents live to be 150 years of age or more!

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Cloud-related Amazon Cloud outage, people..... (4.00 / 1)
Infrastructure as mist. Welcome to your sci-fi novel future, dickweeds.

the transition to a system that is based less on reacting to symptomology and increasingly on a wholistic wellness approach

That might be the funniest thing ye've ever written. Oh wait.

the new organizational structuring of medical care delivery through telecommunications

Yes this will definitely be a plus for those who can still afford internet service after WWIII.

If you weren't so heavily invested in fake "visionaries" such as the Angry Fat Arabic CalState Perfesser and (0.00 / 0)
Lizzie "Borden" Phelan (haha@) the fake journalist, you might actually recognise what is actually going on in the world, actually.


Already commenced, being fought through social media and hacking of same.

Where have you been? The opera?

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You're a funny person (3.00 / 1)

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I do know someone (3.00 / 1)
who just started a biz with an app for nurses. He was a programmer who retired successful at 40. then he went to nursing school.

There is a lot of bullshit social media sells, but there are promising things, too.

The only truly wasteful part of social media is the, uhhhhm, addiction to socialising (0.00 / 0)
Shortage of doctors because of Obamacare?

A skype connection with only a nurse involved locally with the patients. Already done in rural locations.

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d-tail (3.00 / 1)
I think you are old enough to remember the song "In the Year 3525."

What melodrama.

This guy is grateness, not least because he helped send Troll Wars 6.66 viral (5.00 / 1)

Rove's lover is Ali Akbar, president of the National Bloggers Club, an umbrella group that grew from the activism of the late right-wing publisher and pundit Andrew Breitbart. A left-leaning Web site called Breitbart Unmasked recently disclosed that Akbar has a criminal record that includes convictions for credit-card fraud, theft, and burglary.

Sheds a whoe nuther meaning to the affectionate nickname "Rover," doesn't it?

And we owe all to Socrates for this gloriously unfolding spectacle.

This is why I love the whiteysphere.

Schnauzer isn't covered in glory either (4.00 / 1)
Both sides truly suck. My new entry is up. I stole your Fatterico schtick and yet again gave you no credit! You taught me that's the PFF way. And lookie at Laurajohn frontpaging another Meta piece, this time by Melvin. What a hypocrite. Thanks for your props. I'm feeling all caught up with blogging and am gonna start watching flicks again. Unfortunately I have to first get through Jim et Jules before moving on to a good movie. YAWN! I'm also feeling my blogging has been taken up a notch by writing less and keeping the focus. Lipton likes my new one. Ron might have a conniption, though, for I have outed him for his apparent FBI informant status.  

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Not only meta but boring played out 6 year old MAMZ meta. some people cant let go (4.00 / 1)
Although, I have to confess, Mel's last dance at DKOS was epic right down to the Elizabeth Taylor image...if you can pull that one of the soup, its definitely worth the trip down mammary lane...altho it may not have been actually his last dance...the dog does indeed always returned to vomit.

I must not be a dog. I never went back.

Whats wrong with the schnauser? You got something or just laying waste generally to any and everybody this morning?

The FBI informant status is a stretch, in fact about equal to Fatterico....FBI informants working solely on Twitter? Dude, you too are watching too many Matt Damon movies for your own good.

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I'm Nick Fury and I work for S.H.I.E.L.D. (5.00 / 1)
And as a reward for your posts defending me from Fatterico cyber-smearing, I'm giving Scarlet Johansson the 4th of July off so she can take a bubble bath with you.

I'd stop by, too, with a bottle of Jameson's so we can down some pickelbacks and enjoy a stogie or two, but first I have to investigate a lead that Baron Wolfgang von Strucker and HYDRA may have sabotaged another Karl Rove whistleblower's aircraft.  The tip came from a notorious hoaxer and convicted bomber who makes horrible music videos using the codename Storm, so it's probably a waste of my time.

But stay strong, true believer, because I'm considering putting you in charge of S.W.O.R.D. (Sentient World Observation and Response Department), since I got another tip from a dentally/mentally challenged conspiracy theorist who is on top secret assignment as a crystal meth taster in Austin, Texas that aliens may impregnate Barack Obama.

However, I warn you that I might cancel Operation Black Widow Gives Seth A Bubble Bath if you say one more bad thing about a Truffaut film. She's bringing you a copy of "Shoot The Piano Player" which may be more up your alley.


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Tweeting and blogging have hit new levels with The Troll Wars (0.00 / 0)
Hmmm, it appears Ron has confused myself with donkeytale or vice-versa. We are not the same person.

Jules et Jim or maybe it's called Jim et Jules, I can't remember, that actually got wicked awesome by the end. Truffaut is definitely perfection in his best movies. I would not include Shoot the Piano Player in that category. Sorry, bro. The 400 Blows and all those sequels were excellente. La Nuit Americane, I think he did that one, was solid gold. Goddard's the one who needed to dislodge the pencil out of his butt. Fricken pretentious fuck. Hmmm, it's like he was thinking how can I make my movies so incredibly boring as to push people into becoming capitalist pigs.

Though Alphaville was pretty good.

I'm loving movies again. I've an idea for more blog posts but will probably scale back. I think I figured out Weinergate. I mean the aftermath. Basically you had two set of dumbass political ops in on it, and the thing got completely bungled for both sides. Rauhauser was clearly setting up the Breitbart Cult for embarassment.

Then somehow Weiner fucked up Team Rauhauser by actually tweeting his thingie. Neal then went crazy with his hoaxing, not really sure why he thought that would work, though it seems he was working with BK from even before then. I think the Breitbarts then devised a hoax centered around the silencing of the right by BK via Barbara Streisand and Soros. It's all been fairly ridiculous from both sides. I think Joe Brooks was Dan Wolfe. If I had to guess where the SWATs came from, it would be the right wingers.

I admit some or perhaps most of that is theory so far, as it's not so easy to prove things. But we can nail down as many facts as possible. Then we can come up with the most reasonable theories. I just don't get how the Breitbart cult can keep this ruse up for too much longer. When your heavy hitters consist of Darby, Stranahan, and Akbar, things are not looking so good. Both sides definitely suck, so anyone saying I am pro the other team via Stockholm, that's rubbish. But you already know that.

I'm very proud of you, Mr. Brynaert. You done good to clear your name. I definitely think you should go after FilmLadd who is claiming you are a Charles Manson wannabe. That wasn't very nice of him. He's not exactly Mr. Nice Guy himself. And there's some irony. All those neocon Breitbart fucks like to portray themselves as gentle, nice people, while the left are asshole smearers who censor. But it's not true. They are some of the most sadistic people in the world I've ever come across.

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I've backed off of that one (0.00 / 0)
In fact, one of my better tweets was something to the effect of who wouldn't want to punch Patterico (in self-defense of course or as a harmless rumination), that one cannot possibly staple truth to anyone except in a surreal flick, and that shitting on one's wife will land someone on the Springer Show rather than in the clink.

I definitely liked your FBI schtick at DFQ2, whether it's J. Edgar in a skirt or Efrem Zimbo on tv, the FBI sucks.

Ron's cool, cause he's simply entertaining and does come up with a lot of cool stuff. Though rumour has it his linking to porn forums has been an invitation to malware. Don't know about that one.

What I'd like to know is why Aaron Walker claimed his real name was Worthing on his Everybody Draw Mohammed blog and invited "Islamofascist bitches" to his Molasses, Virginian home while requesting people adding to that blog include their real names and locations. Come on, that reeks of FBI. Like the opposite side of the Hal Turner coin. But you'll never admit to conspiracy facts. You've a regular bluedog reputation to maintain.

I'm hedging whether to post the donkeytale emails to scribd where you confessed to wondering yourself if there was somehing to the weather mitigation schtick the kooks refer to as chemtrails. But maybe I'll let that slide, especially if you can give me some extra holy ratings here and there.

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OK. I did a bit of cybersleuthing on Melvin. The diary was entitled...are you ready? (4.00 / 1)
"RIP FSZ"!!!!


But I can view it...seems I dont have permission.

WTF is up with that Melvin? Deleted or stashed somewhere beyond the purview of former FSZ whackjobs such as myslef?

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Damn, hope not (3.00 / 1)
That was a great thread. Melvin is extremely entertaining when he hits meltdown mode. But who isn't? Blues comes to mind. Great stuff cheap. Noom is exceptional in meltdown mode. The spittle almost runs through all the computer cables and out tthe monitors. Even yourslef have had your moments until reaching this older, wiser troll-sage phase.

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Also, you'll be pleased to know that my DLC persona is laying waste to the udderly ridiculous SDL (4.00 / 1)
Not true, Jadez. Truthiness (a MyFDL specialty vis a vis all things Obama) at best.

Only parts of the bill were elgible for reconcilistion, and based on the timing (post-Kennedy replaced by Brown in the Senate)bringing in the reconciliation process for the entire bill would have subjected the non- budgetary parts of the bill not eligible for reconciliation (IE, most of the bill) to re-vote and filibuster the parts of the bill that weren't subject to reconciliation. However, I do agree with one of your comments: "zzzzzzzzzz"

A quick googling brought this succinct expanation, which is also notable for its derision of FDL groupthinkers. RIOTOUS!
It is likely, though I can't prove it, that no president could stand up to the full weight of corporate power and survive politically. That doesn't mean presidents don't have backbones, that means the world is not such a rosy place as the self-defeating left (SDL) extremists (for example Firedoglake-com) like to think. This is why, even the best politicians must act strategically.

The Petty Dark Side

But it's the petty Dark Side that determines the crazy maneuvering that makes the daily papers and looks so dispiriting to the SDL regulars. Lets look at a well-known case, the health care bill and the reconciliation process.
Background: The senate can pass any bill 51 to 49, but if the 49 choose to, some of them can filibuster and block majority rule. But if 60 Senators vote for "cloture" that ends the filibuster. So, in reality the health care bill needed 60 votes - unless it was a reconciliation bill. That type of bill can only be used once a year and no filibuster is allowed.

The SDL reconciliation myth: The first part is that Obama blocked using a reconciliation bill because he wanted bipartisan support, which any fool could see was impossible.
The second part runs as follows.

'If the Democrats had used reconciliation, a more progressive health care reform package could have been passed almost a year earlier. Instead every Democratic senator had to walk the plank by voting for the bill. That meant the bill had to be changed to appease every member of the caucus. At almost every step, the Democratic leadership made stupid decisions.' -SDL extremists at Firedoglake.

The actual story:

According to the Byrd Rule, reconciliation can only be used for tax and spending measures.

According to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee that oversees reconciliation, 'reconciliation for comprehensive health-care reform wouldn't work.' The Byrd rule 'would mean the insurance market reforms and delivery reforms would be stricken.' The result 'would look like Swiss cheese.'

So a complete health-care bill was passed by the House, 220 to 215 on 11/7/2009, and the vast bulk of the Affordable Care Act was passed, 60 to 39, by the Senate on 12/24/2009.
But the differences could not have been ironed out under the Senate's 60-vote requirement, so ...

The House passed the Senate version on 3/21/2010 by 219 to 212.

This was signed into law by President Obama on March 23, 2010.

But to get the House version passed some deals were made concerning modifications, and a few other improvements were needed.

So we have the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act, to clean up financial-only details.
Two chunks were passed by the House on 3/21/2010. And rest was passed by the House, and all of it by the Senate (56-43), on 3/25/2010.

It was signed into law on March 30.

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Just keep being nice to Mr. Brynaert (0.00 / 0)
Or expect him to out your sock puppet nonsense at Booman long ago when somehow you were some snot-nosed 19 year old college student or wtf. It's been a while since I socratised that one. Those were some good days. Though I do enjoy blogging with you guys better when we are friendly and joining forces to troll people who truly deserve it.

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I've an idea for a new screenplay (0.00 / 0)
It will be based on us three, maybe Noom too. We'll be blogging superheroes. Tentative title is Supertrolls.

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whoa, sounds like a real action film (5.00 / 2)

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I thought Laura had banned me (3.00 / 1)
But I didn't type in the password correctly. I am so glad to be finally in the clear with all this nonsense that's been going on. Now I can go back to watching movies and being the best supertroll I can be. I do know that if I do ever produce my movie, I'll have to somehow include yourself. You're something special. Maybe we can come up with a Beatles type song, get weird Al to do it based on Yellow Submarine or is Octopus' Garden a separate Ringo tune? I'm thinking Underwater Deli of course.

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Hey, any questions for Mr. Brynaert? (0.00 / 0)
He used to be executive editor for Raw Story. Some douchetard named Patrick Frey (Patterico) has been cybersmearing the snot out of him. Please make him feel at home. I think he'd be a natural for this political flesh feast legacy forum, maybe save this joint. Anything's better than listening to Noom drone on about Syria and Iran.

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u mean Turkey turkey (0.00 / 0)

that's a chicken turkey

eva had a chicken turkey sand turkey?

a turkey club has two critters on it, turkey and pig. How many critters is the most critters you've ever eaten at a single meal? cow, pig, turkey, lamb, rabbit, fish, gator, crab, yak etc.

yer at a dining table, the plates are on a spinning device and one after anutter slaughtered crittter makes it's way in front of your greedy grimy grabby paws. yu stab it's prepared flesh with your sharpened furca then stick it into the hole on your face. How did that furca make its way into your paws anyhow?

Laura Psycho likes rabbit eye know that. She's prolly scarfing down Bugs Bunny as eye type this....

don't choke on the sweet bunny hunny....


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Good point noom, but Socrates is a vegetarian (4.00 / 2)
As for myslef, I'll have the beagle on a bagel, please.

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speaking of choking on a sweet bunny, (0.00 / 0)
LP's just gonna have to die because the Heimlich maneuver was invented by a Jew, so she don't want any part o' dat

Heimlich, born in Wilmington, Delaware, to Philip and Mary (Epstein) Heimlich


Heimlich first published his views about the maneuver in a June 1974 article in Emergency Medicine entitled, "Pop Goes the Cafe Coronary". On June 19, 1974, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that retired restaurant-owner Isaac Piha used the procedure to rescue a choking victim, Irene Bogachus, in Bellevue, Washington. It was the first reported account of the use of the method, which would later be known as the Heimlich maneuver.

In an August 1974 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), it was reported that it saved so many lives in 2 months, that they named the method, the Heimlich maneuver.


eye wonder how many anti_Jew aholes have bin saved by the Heimlich maneuver....


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I've been eating hotdogs of late (0.00 / 0)
Vegetarian of course. They usually were going for $5.19, but it must be a product line no longer being supplied schtick, and they are putting $3 coupons on the box. People should eat fake meat. It's spiritual. Eating animals is gross.

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Isn't it just easier to eat real vegetable dishes? (3.00 / 1)

If you want to be a vegetarian, eat Hindu veggie cuisine.  

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I'm a typical bloke (0.00 / 0)
You must know we are adept at boiling water for pasta, and that's about it. I actually like the taste of meat, as long as it's not the real thing. Veggie meatballs, fake chicken. I'm not really a big fan of the hotdogs, but it was at the right price.

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Liberal Grouch is the real supertroll (0.00 / 0)
The dude is annoying to the yin-yang. Reminds me of JimBob Numbnuts or whatever username from BradBlog.

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NOOM!!!! (0.00 / 0)
I think Laura chows on raccoon meat or whatever kind of road kill ends up close to the trailer.

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Syria, Turkey v Syria (0.00 / 0)

That funeral procession sure looked like it was packed with "terrorists!"....

Assad: "How dare these "terrorists" bury a dead "terrorist"! Drop a bomb on em, pronto! I want to see some scattered limbs and rolling heads!"

The blood pours down this monster Assad's chin and all he can do is smack his lips.

Assad: "Kill, just kill, I want to kill."


hmmm let's see, "The Wall Street Journal quoted an unnamed senior US defense offical"......(supporting Syria's version of events with Turkey).

Both, of curse, are roundly hated by uber leftist liars. But tell me, uber leftist liars, why in this case you think The Wall Street Journal and an unnamed US official have it right?


Turkish imperialism and genocide (4.00 / 1)
Armenian Genocide

The Armenian Genocide, the first genocide of the 20th Century, occurred when two million Armenians living in Turkey were eliminated from their historic homeland through forced deportations and massacres between 1915-1918.

The Ancient Armenians

For three thousand years, a thriving Armenian community had existed inside the vast region of the Middle East bordered by the Black, Mediterranean and Caspian Seas. The area, known today as Anatolia, stands at the crossroads of three continents; Europe, Asia and Africa. Great powers rose and fell over the many centuries and the Armenian homeland, when not independent, was at various times ruled by Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs and Mongols.

Despite the repeated invasions and occupations, Armenian pride and cultural identity never wavered. The snow-capped peak of Mount Ararat became the focal point of this proud people and by 600 BC Armenia as a kingdom sprang into being.

The First Christian Nation

Following the advent of Christianity, Armenia became the very first nation to accept it as the state religion. A golden era of peace and prosperity followed which saw the invention of a distinct alphabet, the flourishing of literature, art, commerce, and a unique style of architecture. By the 10th century, Armenians had established a new capital at Ani, affectionately called the 'city of a thousand and one churches.'

Under Muslim Rule

In the eleventh century, the first Turkish invasion of the Armenian homeland occurred. Thus began several hundred years of rule by Muslim Turks. By the sixteenth century, Armenia had been absorbed into the vast and mighty Ottoman Empire. At its peak, this Turkish empire included much of Southeast Europe, North Africa, and almost all of the Middle East.

But by the 1800s the once powerful Ottoman Empire was in serious decline. For centuries, it had spurned technological and economic progress, while the nations of Europe had embraced innovation and became industrial giants. Turkish armies had once been virtually invincible. Now, they lost battle after battle to modern European armies.

As the empire gradually disintegrated, formerly subject peoples including the Greeks, Serbs and Romanians achieved their long-awaited independence. Only the Armenians and the Arabs of the Middle East remained stuck in the backward and nearly bankrupt empire, now under the autocratic rule of Sultan Abdul Hamid.

An Ottoman Civil Rights Movement

By the 1890s, young Armenians, educated in the universities of Europe began to press for political reforms in the Ottoman Empire, calling for a constitutional government, the right to vote and an end to discriminatory practices such as special taxes levied solely against them because they were Christians. The despotic Turkish Sultan responded to their pleas with brutal persecutions and massacres. Between 1894 and 1896 over 100,000 inhabitants of Armenian villages were slaughtered during widespread pogroms conducted by the Sultan's special regiments.

But the Sultan's days were numbered. In July 1908, reform-minded Turkish nationalists known as 'Young Turks' forced the Sultan to allow a constitutional government and guarantee basic rights. The Young Turks were ambitious junior officers in the Turkish Army who hoped to halt their country's steady decline.

Armenians in Turkey were delighted with this sudden turn of events and its prospects for a brighter future. Both Turks and Armenians held jubilant public rallies attended with banners held high calling for freedom, equality and justice.

The Rise of Turkish Nationalism

However, their hopes were dashed when three of the Young Turks seized full control of the government via a coup in 1913. This triumvirate of Young Turks, consisting of Mehmed Talaat, Ismail Enver and Ahmed Djemal, came to wield dictatorial powers and concocted their own ambitious plans for the future of Turkey. They wanted to unite all of the Turkic peoples in the entire region while expanding the borders of Turkey eastward across the Caucasus all the way into Central Asia. This would create a new Turkish empire, a 'great and eternal land' called Turan with one language and one religion.

But this new empire would have to come at the expense of the Armenian people, whose traditional historic homeland lay right in the path of the Young Turks' plans to expand eastward. And on that land was a large population of Christian Armenians totaling some two million persons, making up about 10 percent of the Empire's overall population.

Along with the Young Turk's newfound 'Turanism' there was a dramatic rise in Islamic fundamentalist agitation throughout Turkey. Christian Armenians were once again branded as infidels (non-believers in Islam). Young Islamic extremists, sometimes leading to violence, staged anti-Armenian demonstrations. During one such outbreak in 1909, two hundred villages were plundered and over 30,000 persons massacred in the Cilicia district on the Mediterranean coast. Throughout Turkey, sporadic local attacks against Armenians continued unchecked over the next several years.

Fueling hatred toward Armenians within the Empire were the significant cultural differences between Armenians and Turks. Though a majority of the Armenian population in Turkey lived in poverty and despair, a small minority had excelled as best they could within their second class status, with many serving as professionals, businessmen, lawyers, doctors, artists, architects and skilled craftsmen.

Armenians had also, by and large, been well educated compared to their Turkish counterparts, who were largely illiterate peasant farmers and small shopkeepers. The leaders of the Ottoman Empire had traditionally placed little value on education and not a single institute of higher learning could be found within their old empire. The various autocratic and despotic rulers throughout the empire's history had valued loyalty and blind obedience above all.

The Young Turks decided to glorify the virtues of simple Turkish peasantry at the expense of the Armenians in order to capture peasant loyalty. They exploited the religious, cultural, economic and political differences between Turks and Armenians so that the average Turk came to regard Armenians as strangers among them.

The Outbreak of War

When World War I broke out in 1914, leaders of the Young Turk regime sided with the Central Powers (Germany and Austria-Hungary). The outbreak of war would provide the perfect opportunity to solve the 'Armenian question' once and for all for the Young Turks. The world's attention became fixed upon the battlegrounds of France and Belgium where the young men of Europe were soon falling dead by the hundreds of thousands. The Eastern Front eventually included the border between Turkey and Russia. With war at hand, unusual measures involving the civilian population would not seem too out of the ordinary.

As a prelude to the coming action, Turks disarmed the entire Armenian population under the pretext that the people were naturally sympathetic toward Christian Russia. Every last rifle and pistol was forcibly seized, with severe penalties for anyone who failed to turn in a weapon. Quite a few Armenian men actually purchased a weapon from local Turks or Kurds (nomadic Muslim tribesmen) at very high prices so they would have something to turn in.

The Genocide Begins

At this time, about forty thousand Armenian men were serving in the Turkish Army. In the fall and winter of 1914, all of their weapons were confiscated and they were put into slave labor battalions building roads or were used as human pack animals. Under the brutal work conditions they suffered a very high death rate. Those who survived would soon be shot outright. For the time had come to move against the Armenians.

The decision to annihilate the entire population came directly from the ruling triumvirate of ultra-nationalist Young Turks. The actual extermination orders were transmitted in coded telegrams to all provincial governors throughout Turkey. Armed roundups began on the evening of April 24, 1915, as 300 Armenian political leaders, educators, writers, clergy and dignitaries in Constantinople (present day Istanbul) were taken from their homes, briefly jailed and tortured, then hanged or shot.

Next, there were mass arrests of Armenian men throughout the country by Turkish soldiers, police agents and bands of Turkish volunteers. The men were tied together with ropes in small groups then taken to the outskirts of their town and shot dead or bayoneted by death squads. Local Turks and Kurds armed with knives and sticks often joined in on the killing.

Then it was the turn of Armenian women, children, and the elderly. On very short notice, they were ordered to pack a few belongings and be ready to leave home, under the pretext that they were being relocated to a non-military zone for their own safety. They were actually being taken on death marches heading south toward the Syrian Desert.

Muslim Turks who assumed instant ownership of everything quickly occupied most of the homes and villages left behind by the rousted Armenians. In many cases, local Turks who took them from their families spared young Armenian children from deportation. The children were coerced into denouncing Christianity and becoming Muslims, and were then given new Turkish names. For Armenian boys the forced conversion meant they each had to endure painful circumcision as required by Islamic custom.

Turkish gendarmes escorted individual caravans consisting of thousands of deported Armenians. These guards allowed roving government units of hardened criminals known as the 'Special Organization' to attack the defenseless people, killing anyone they pleased. They also encouraged Kurdish bandits to raid the caravans and steal anything they wanted. In addition, an extraordinary amount of sexual abuse and rape of girls and young women occurred at the hands of the Special Organization and Kurdish bandits. Most of the attractive young females were kidnapped for a life of involuntary servitude.

The death marches during the Armenian Genocide, involving over a million Armenians, covered hundreds of miles and lasted months. Indirect routes through mountains and wilderness areas were deliberately chosen in order to prolong the ordeal and to keep the caravans away from Turkish villages.

Food supplies being carried by the people quickly ran out and they were usually denied further food or water. Anyone stopping to rest or lagging behind the caravan was mercilessly beaten until they rejoined the march. If they couldn't continue they were shot. A common practice was to force all of the people in the caravan to remove every stitch of clothing and have them resume the march in the nude under the scorching sun until they dropped dead by the roadside from exhaustion and dehydration.

An estimated 75 percent of the Armenians on these marches perished, especially children and the elderly. Those who survived the ordeal were herded into the desert without a drop of water. Being thrown off cliffs, burned alive, or drowned in rivers.

During the Armenian Genocide, the Turkish countryside became littered with decomposing corpses. At one point, Mehmed Talaat responded to the problem by sending a coded message to all provincial leaders: 'I have been advised that in certain areas unburied corpses are still to be seen. I ask you to issue the strictest instructions so that the corpses and their debris in your vilayet are buried.'

But his instructions were generally ignored. Those involved in the mass murder showed little interest in stopping to dig graves. The roadside corpses and emaciated deportees were a shocking sight to foreigners working in Turkey. Eyewitnesses included German government liaisons, American missionaries, and U.S. diplomats stationed in the country.

--read the rest: http://www.unitedhumanrights.o...

wow, those Turks were some bloodthirsty imperialist motherfuckers....

hope you enjoyed this ME tutorial.....


Syria (4.00 / 1)
This guy, Clay Claiborne, is among the two people worth reading at the Big Orange Tumor.


The Free Syrian Army developed from soldiers ordered to shoot protesters, soldiers who decided instead that it was their patriotic duty to defend the protesters. They have been joined by formerly peaceful protesters that have now also taken up arms in defense of the revolution. The FSA started out exclusively as a force to defend peaceful protesters but as Assad's attacks continued and grew both in scope and brutality, the FSA has also started conducting offensive operation and while they may or may not have weapons given to them by the CIA or Qatar, it is clear that they have overwhelmingly armed themselves with weapons taken from Assad.


Furthermore, "being supplied" is an underhanded way of implying that the FSA is "being run" by outside agencies without providing any proof. It is by no means "clear that the anti-government forces are being supplied" with weapons by anyone. It is very clear that they are getting more and better weapons, here is a video of the FSA taking over of a Syrian military base and capturing a lot of weapons. Would you call that "being supplied?" More recently we have heard of whole units of the Syrian army defecting with sophisticated anti-tank weapons and manpads. Would you call that "being supplied?" They have even been successful at capturing intact, some of Assad's tanks. Would you call that "being supplied?"  

this is fascinating (0.00 / 0)

For most of (Palestinian) Christian and Islamic history, Jews have been regarded as a people exiled and dispossessed. Palestinian Christians and Muslims had no problem believing they had inherited the land in Jews' place, and that was how things were supposed to remain.

It was surely that kind of imperial Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid that allowing Jews to return to the land in above tiny numbers was meant to reverse?

so true.

Jews returning to their homeland reversed imperial Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid.

Israel has succeeded in liberating Jews from the heavy boot of Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid.

most of the ancestors of Israeli Jews came from elsewhere and settled in the land. So what? They were returning whence they had been regarded as dispossessed for most of (especially Palestinian) Christian and Islamic history.

Imperial Christian and Islamic (originally colonial) apartheid held Jews were supposed to be kept in a state subjugated, excluded and dispossessed.

Learn some history before you start spouting half-digested tosh.

Further it was imperial Britain that drove out the Turks, and made it possible for Palestinian Christians and Muslims being granted a free and independent state in 1947 for the first time in their history.

Unfortunately they thought it more important to exclude and deny Jews a state than acquire one themselves. Whose fault is that?

yeah two states were proposed in 1948. A Jewish state with 60 percent Jews, 40 percent others, and an Arab state with 100 percent others and no Jews.

Who the fuck practices and has practiced apartheid? It ain't the Jews you fucking lying uber leftist ham sucking fucks.

Down with imperial Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid!


oh take a vapor (4.00 / 1)

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OK (0.00 / 0)
Down with imperial Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid!

so much anti_Israel propaganda's out there degore. you know it and eye know it. Itz time to reverse that trend with some facts.

Isreal's the only nation on earth who's existence gets questioned 24/7 by mad howling psychotic rabid genetically unsound canned ham sucking aholes

too bad degore

hey degore, yu ever once tell fairleast, byron or laura psycho to "take a vapor"

fuck off

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probably said a lot worse to byron. (0.00 / 0)

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itz a great point tho (0.00 / 0)
my canned ham sucking, vituperative colorings aside


Jews returned to their homeland and Israel was formed to counteract the imperial Christian and Islamic colonial apartheid which prevailed in traditional Palestine for far too long.

Israel has liberated the Jews!

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Noom (4.00 / 1)
Looks like Arafat got knocked off. What did you think of Yitzak Rabin, I think that was the dude's name. Seems like a death sentence for anyone trying to do the right thing. Your rhetoric isn't helping matters. And have you served in the Israeli army yet or are you a chickenhawk? Do you get paid for your posts? Bqua bqua haha@  

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there is no helping matters (2.00 / 1)
the pals Arab imperialists don't want a state, they want to delegitimize Israel. They wage an anti_Israel propaganda campaign filled with lies non-stop. So many falsehoods come out of the pal Arab imperialist camp its beyond belief.

they seemingly love to live in pretend perpetual victimhood to broadcast their so-called travails to the world.

the -pals elected Jew hating Islamist Hamas not to long ago to a majority now defunct parliament. What does that tell you?

Sersely, after all this time and with US presidents brokering deals do you really think that if the pals wanted a state they couldn't have had one? But they don't want a state agreeing to an end of conflict resolution with the Jews. The only state they would want is one that avoids any peace agreement with Israel. That's why they went to the UN last year. They did an end around the Oslo accords which are now dead. They want a state only as a step to wage further war on Israel.

the pals sole raison d'tre is to rid Israel from the map.  

they want all of traditional palestine, Jew country.

you read lefty blogs so have sucked in years of anti_Israel propaganda. yu've internalized lies by the score.

get over it. what are you an easily manipulated sucker?

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actually, I grew up in quite the pro-Israel environment. (0.00 / 0)
As a teen, I did not believe Sadat wanted peace for one second.

And then I got older and learned things were way more complicated.

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Noom's obviously a Megaphone whatever robot program (0.00 / 0)

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brett kimberlin says hello (2.00 / 1)
or wtf


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Thanks for making it clear (2.00 / 1)
you are a warmonger and not a true lefty.

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fuck off useful idiot (0.00 / 0)

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here's an idea (0.00 / 0)
show me one photo of a pal holding up a sign saying something like 'two states for two peoples"...or a photo of one demonstration in Judea or gaza which calls for the same.

gah head, show me one

it doesn't and has never existed.

in israel on the udder hand there have bin countless pro two state solution rallies ....

all we get on this shithole are aholes like fairleast posting photos of Ajad the holocaust denier holding up "down with Israel signs"... what a rat infested brain he's got

so gah head, prove me wrong

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Of course fakeleft is an idiot (2.00 / 1)
But so are you. Two sides of the same idiot coin. Hopefully the FBI is keeping a close eye on both of you as being potential domestic terrorists. God bless cointelpro and he American people.

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By the way (2.00 / 1)
My post was anything but boring, so you should have rated it either "Fuck to you" or left it blank. Chickenhawk.

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right loser (0.00 / 0)
you can't produce a photo of a two state pal. There are plenty of photos of pals cheering tho, when lunatic pals kill Jewish civilians. In fact they hand out candy.

stop trolling fuckwad

not sure why you make the idiotic leap to calling me a chickhawk when it's israel's enemies who plot for that country's demise. As i said, Israel offered the pals a state on more than one occasion. They were turned down.

jesus yu are a dilettante and a dunce. i hate aholes who voice strident opinions about shit they know very little about. thatz yu to a tee. an uninformed arrogant blowhard.

My post was anything but boring

no it was boring dude, just like your brett kimberlin scthick. itz the most convoluted idiocy eye've ever seen on the net. you've bin lost in that but somehow you know enuf to form opinions on I/P.

based on what exactly? answer: nothing

you think all the world thinks like a "lefty". Islamists have other priorities dude.

Oh just make them a fair offer and all will be well. the pals will run to sign a deal. well, Israel has offered plenty but it's never enuf.

btw - the pals brainwash their children into Jew hate and warmongering from infancy. get a clue. that's warmongering.

ok, little emotionally maniipulated, easily fooled, bamboozled sucker.  

what else ya got?

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Go to Israel and fight or remain a right wing chickenhawk (0.00 / 0)
Your choice, buddy. It's sad you are full of such hate for people of Arab descent. But if you're gonna bitch about it, why not move to Israel and join their military instead of being a gutless chickenhawk in America?

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right (3.00 / 2)
pffunny but eye supported the popular rebellion in Egypt and now support the popular rebellion in Syria...eye also stated that Qadaffi needs to go.

whats amusing is yu miss the Arab hate emanating from uber leftists like fairleast, byron and laura psycho who all worship dictators keeping many Arabs in misery....

get a clue...dude you r sersely insane

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This will be my last word to you for you're a disgrace to Judaism (3.00 / 2)
Lie all you want, loser. Because no one's listening and no one cares who you are or what you think. I've pointed out that both sides suck.

Either go to Israel and massacre Arabs, or keep pissing in the wind with your hate.

OPEN NOTE TO FBI: Keep an eye on this person Noom in real life. He sounds like he's gonna go violent on innocent Americans of Arab descent.

Seek help you gutless coward.

Now you're on ignore you little bitch Karmafish sock puppet piece of shit warmonger chickenhawk coward.

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dude (3.00 / 1)
get a better schtick

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Agreeing with Noom here. Very weak schtick. Name calling? Fairleftian weak. An embarrassment to the PFF tradition, actually. (3.00 / 1)
Too much time on Twitter appears to be melting your melon.

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Dude's a chickenhawk (0.00 / 0)
He's been talking trash against the Palestinians for years, never even a whiff of balance to his posts. He should either move to Israel and join their army or stfu. But you will kiss anyone's ass if it means this forum picks up. Have you an opinion on Israel-Palestine, or are you just smearing me for telling a chickenhawk he's a chickenhawk? Noom's got plenty in common with the right wing of Israel. He should move there, or go find Karmafish and double date with Ali and Rove.

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I made a vow many nooms ago that I will never, and I underscore the word never, (0.00 / 0)
get dragged into the I/P debate.

It's ridiculous. And I believe working itslef out within the context of the Arab Spring and Syrian revolt.

[bullshit projection alert

I'm certainly not breaking that vow to someone who also has never expressed any interest whatsoever in the topic, noreven a scintilla of expertise.

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hey stoopid (0.00 / 0)
never even a whiff of balance to his posts

posting about pal Arab imperialist warmongering, intransigence in peace talks, human rights violations, cozying up to imperial Iran, anti-Jew indoctrination, their endless propaganda war, etc. brings a little balance to I/P on lefty blogs. Again, yu r clueless.

Given the plethora of anti-Israel bullshit, writing about the udder side of the equation is simply fair play.

If you disagree with something I've posted then why not refute it with some documented facts from legitimate sources. Even fairleast plays that game, tho his sources are often questionable. You see I don't "talk trash" against pal Arab imperialists, I illuminate facts uber leftists, revisionists and others want hidden.

Why r yu so blind to the obvious?


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And another thing (4.00 / 1)
Noom's one bad hit of acid away from becoming this:

And because this one never gets stale:

Ugh, just thought of something. I'm flushing out crazies for free. Maybe I should kiss up to RatBoy and see if he can get me one of those cushy informant gigs.

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oh god (0.00 / 0)
a cat photo. A cat photo used for humor/metaphor.

jesus the jew, yu have sunk to the lowest, dullest and most banal form of communication eva seen in the annals of human history.

Yu have sunk to the lowest form of internet unoriginality one can get.

dude, yu have been dragged down to the bottom of the verbal ocean like a wordsmith titanic. yer drowning.

get a grip.


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It was an inside joke (0.00 / 0)
That's the avatar of a con artist who goes by the name of Aaron Walker. He's got a website called Everyboody Draw Mohammed. You'd love him. He's racist towards Arabs just like you.  

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who gives a fuck what it is (0.00 / 0)
li'l chickenbrain soc


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my post posted (0.00 / 0)
b4 eye was dun.

dude, eye wish the pals had accepted one of the peace offers from Israel and that all parties were living in peace.

that's the bottom line.

unfortunately the pals have rejected all offers of peace preferring instead to wage an endless propaganda delegitimizing campaign against Israel. They luv playing pretend victim.

yu sound like a dumb ass chicken brain with no powers of rational thought

socrates: "bawq bawq bawq baqaw!"

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Syria (0.00 / 0)
A massacre on a world historic level has taken place in Douma, Syria in the last week.


Visitors to Douma now describe abandon neighborhoods, completely destroyed with bodies rotting in the streets. It is far to early to know what the death count is. Most probably we will never know.

-Clay Claiborne

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Monster Assad has got his air force bombing Douma with helicopter gunships, and his lunatic, steroid abusing shabiha chopping up civilians.

(Reuters) - Syrians in the city of Douma have recovered mutilated corpses and sifted through trash for body parts hacked off by death squads who swept through anti-government districts after the army drove out rebel fighters, activists said on Wednesday.

Video shot by opponents of President Bashar al-Assad in the city about 15 km (10 miles) north of Damascus on Tuesday displayed gory scenes in homes they said had been overrun by pro-government "shabbiha" paramilitary gangs, after army shelling over the weekend forced rebel fighters to retreat


The Charter for Compassion (5.00 / 2)
The principle of compassion lies at the heart of all religious, ethical and spiritual traditions, calling us always to treat all others as we wish to be treated ourselves. Compassion impels us to work tirelessly to alleviate the suffering of our fellow creatures, to dethrone ourselves from the centre of our world and put another there, and to honour the inviolable sanctity of every single human being, treating everybody, without exception, with absolute justice, equity and respect.

It is also necessary in both public and private life to refrain consistently and empathically from inflicting pain. To act or speak violently out of spite, chauvinism, or self-interest, to impoverish, exploit or deny basic rights to anybody, and to incite hatred by denigrating others-even our enemies-is a denial of our common humanity. We acknowledge that we have failed to live compassionately and that some have even increased the sum of human misery in the name of religion.

We therefore call upon all men and women ~ to restore compassion to the centre of morality and religion ~ to return to the ancient principle that any interpretation of scripture that breeds violence, hatred or disdain is illegitimate ~ to ensure that youth are given accurate and respectful information about other traditions, religions and cultures ~ to encourage a positive appreciation of cultural and religious diversity ~ to cultivate an informed empathy with the suffering of all human beings-even those regarded as enemies.

We urgently need to make compassion a clear, luminous and dynamic force in our polarized world. Rooted in a principled determination to transcend selfishness, compassion can break down political, dogmatic, ideological and religious boundaries. Born of our deep interdependence, compassion is essential to human relationships and to a fulfilled humanity. It is the path to enlightenment, and indispensable to the creation of a just economy and a peaceful global community.

Just in case anyone discussing things here finds it useful.

The Charter

Excellent, Smithers (0.00 / 0)
You're definitely a pure lefty. Good job, bro.

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just like yu eh? (0.00 / 0)
the chickenbrain stalker


yer purer than jesus the jew hiself chickenbrain

chickenbrain christ, thatz yu

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Not at all. (0.00 / 0)
Just noting that the game of Pong went out with Atari.  And that the game of watching Pong went out a good bit before that.

Incidentally, are you aware of the work of the Fetzer Institute?

We believe in the transformative power of love, love that protects us in our vulnerability while also impelling us to tend to the needs of others. We believe that forgiveness can also be transformative, a process that further extends the healing power of love. We accept that these forces have power: power to heal, and power to transform even the most difficult, troubled situation into something that is generative, affirming, and life-giving. In a world that seems dominated by aggression and separation, we see a broad and deep yearning for something different.

We join those who desire greater civility in our public lives, who seek a return to sharing human connections through community, who exhibit an openness to love, forgiveness, and compassion, and who hunger for deeper and more meaningful relationships.

Our work is grounded in a conviction that the connection between the inner life of spirit and outer life of service and action in the world holds the key to lasting change. All of our activities-past, present, and future-are united by a desire to help improve the human condition by increasing conscious awareness of the relationship between this inner and outer life. This desire is central to the world's religious and wisdom traditions. While the Institute has no particular religious affiliation, we honor and learn from these many traditions.

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Good point, Vox Humana (4.00 / 1)
I think I get what you're saying, at least in reference to the internet.

Hopefully the hatred spewed by the likes of Noom will fade in relevance as did Pong, Combat, and all the other Atari games we once loved.

I think it already has. It's been five or six years since Daily Kos, for example, obviously became a hate site. It's been a few years since most lefties got it out of their systems how hurt they were by that betrayal.

To me, it's all about the Meta. I am always grateful when a nice person like yourself engages. Perhaps the key is to simply ignore those who promote hate speech and lies. Moving forward as a blogger, I am going to try to be more disciplined and minimise the conniption factor.

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