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Crazy Stuff Russia/China Are Saying about Syria

by: fairleft

Thu Mar 01, 2012 at 07:47:38 AM EST


Moscow and Beijing have consistently advocated that all interested external parties should facilitate a peaceful settlement in Syria by providing conditions for the start of a broad inclusive dialogue between the Syrian authorities and all opposition groups.

***The Russian Foreign Ministry, March 1, 2012


Peace-love-n-tie-dye hippies! Don't they know it's already been decided, a decade-long civil war is the price Syria will have to pay for, uh, its government fighting back against rebel militias. And committing war crimes! Just because the rebels committed them too is no excuse! Stupid Chinese and Russians thinking that compromise and negotiations can be the answer ...

And listen to what this idiot from China had to say today:

fairleft :: Crazy Stuff Russia/China Are Saying about Syria
With the violence escalating, the majority of civilians just want a peaceful restoration of national stability and social order. Therefore, seeking a political settlement to the Syrian crisis is a top priority for China.

China has sent a special envoy to Syria for talks with the Syrian government and opposition, in a bid to promote dialogue between the two sides. China's stance and diplomatic efforts are increasingly gaining understanding and recognition from the international community.

However, the West repeatedly denounces any initiatives aimed at achieving a peaceful end to the crisis . . .

***Ruan Zongze, vice-president of the China Institute of International Studies

The whole article, title 'Peace and Stability in Syria', is just like that! What fantasy world is this Ruan in? Doesn't he get it, doesn't everyone know that guns are now the reality-based weapon of choice and negotiations, hashing out differences, is for whimps and out-of-touch peaceniks? Besides, it's 2012, an election year in the states, so just get outta here with that soft-on-war expiration-date-passed 'bring the two sides together' stuff.

Oh, here's something else, not by Russia or China, but some tired rehash of protestors' grievances and the Syrian government's response to them:

The protesters who took to the streets last year initially called for an end to the emergency law, the opening of the political system to parties that are not part of the national front dominated by the Baath, and the cancellation of Article 8. The government formally ended the state of emergency and authorised the registration of new parties last summer.  With the adoption of the constitution, the regime argues that it has met all three demands.

This contention is rejected by the opposition and its Arab and western backers.  They say the new constitution is "too little, too late."

Exactly! Conforming to protester demands now, more than nine months after they started protesting, what's the point?! There obviously was an implied deadline on the demands -- why the Syrian government didn't know that I don't know --  and now that it has passed, well, unfortunately the country must endure a ten-year-or-so civil war with lots of unfortunate religious cleansing, impoverishing Western sanctions, and so on. And all the government's fault for not meeting that deadline! Too little too late, sorry 'bout that peacenik morons!

Anyway, I've had enough, from now on I'm covering my ears. I CAN'T HEAR YOU CHINA, RUSSIA, SYRIAN GOVERNMENT!

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Maybe the protestors don't want (4.33 / 3)
Assad the Butcher and Babykiller to be their "president" for 14 more years.

The referendum is held up as a centrepiece of Assad's reforms, which were drafted as a response to what has been a sustained challenge to the totalitarian state that he and his father before him have ruled for more than 40 years.

It would mean the Ba'ath party would no longer have a monopoly on political and social life in Syria. Opposition groups would, in law at least, be free to stand independently in future elections.

But a constitutional change limiting a president's maximum term to 14 years would not be applied retrospectively, meaning Assad could still serve two more terms from the next election, likely to be held in 2014.

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A Friends of Syria conference, which was attended by more than 70 states in Tunis over the weekend, denounced the vote as designed to create a veneer of change while the lethal assault on opposition groups continued unabated.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

And you know Assad will rule for 14 more long years, Then his son will rule and nothing will have changed. uber leftists know this clearly.

But they still run to the defense of a brutal dictator.

Although the new constitution grants Bashar Al Assad two consecutive 7 year terms of office, it will pave the way for multi-party elections in the next three months.

With the privilige of remaining in office for two more consecutive terms granted to Al Assad by the new constitution , the Syrian leader, none of whose powers have been curtailed by the constitution, will be at the helm of Syria until 2028.

http://www.turkishpress.com/ne...

The protestors are supposed to put their trust in a butcher and his infamously sadistic security forces that, all will be well!

Assad: "Just put down your weapons and come home! Listen to your "president" of 14 more years. Don't even think that we're going to come get you in the middle of the night and drag you to the torture chambers! We won't, promise!"

hey reform this!

btw - China's top prioity should be getting the fuck out of Tibet.

China's top leader in Tibet is urging local authorities to clamp down on Internet and mobile phone use in the region, as Beijing prepares to open its annual National People's Congress and Tibetans honor those who have died protesting Chinese rule.

The state-run Tibet Daily quotes regional Communist Party chief Chen Quanguo as saying that maintaining stability in the Himalayan region "means everything. Unstable elements must be nipped in the bud and all work at maintaining stability must be deepened."

He also said security forces "must crush hostile forces" led by the Dalai Lama -- the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader who is widely revered outside China, while accused by Beijing of fomenting rebellion in Tibetan regions.

China has flooded Tibetan areas with thousands of troops and police in recent weeks, in a push to prevent Tibetan activists from setting themselves on fire to protest Chinese presence in their territories.

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For Tibetans, March 17 marks the first anniversary of a widely-reported self-immolation by a young monk whose death triggered the current crackdown.

http://www.voanews.com/tibetan...

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They will vote him out in 2014 &/or 2021 if they don't want him. (2.00 / 1)

Missing from your standard corporate propaganda/media narrative.

Also missing from the standard propaganda narrative, of course, is that 55% of Syrians in a recent poll (by the Qataris, I think) said they want to keep Assad as their president.

Yeah, a lotta stuff doesn't fit the 'no compromise, kill 'em all' narrative the corporate propaganda must push.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Yeah, lotsa stuff doesn't fit..including brain matter between your ears (4.33 / 3)
Thanks for this, looser. Let me know when you see a free, fair election in Syria, or Iran for that matter. Or when the state stops its brutality.  

It appears the lack of Red Cross sightings mentioned by the Baba Amr resident in the previous post has a simple explanation: despite repeated assurances that aid groups would be allowed in to address the humanitarian crisis in Baba Amr, neither the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) nor the Syrian Arab Red Crescent has been admitted to the neighborhood, the ICRC has announced.

"We are staying in Homs tonight in the hope of entering Baba Amr in the very near future," said ICRC president Jakob Kellenberger. "In addition, many families have fled Baba Amr, and we will help them as soon as we possibly can.

"We reiterate the appeal we made several days ago, for a daily two-hour halt in the fighting to allow humanitarian assistance. The humanitarian situation was very serious then and it is worse now."

On Thursday Syrian authorities authorized the joint team to enter Baba Amr today, the ICRC said.



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Assad's goons are mopping up (3.25 / 4)
can't let in the Red Cross

(Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Friday said he was worried that Syrian government forces were arbitrarily executing, imprisoning and torturing people in the battle-scarred city of Homs.

"A major assault on Homs took place yesterday," Ban told the 193-nation U.N. General Assembly. "Civilian losses have clearly been heavy. We continue to received grisly reports of summary executions, arbitrary detentions and torture.

http://www.reuters.com/article...




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Ban ki moon der hurrderr herr huuurr (2.00 / 1)
yeah. Ban Ki Moon is der hurr in the hurr. As to be expected, he is doing herz jeyob. Huurr. Der.

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I am having trouble following the hurrs and the ders. (3.00 / 1)
Do you think there may be summary executions, arbitrary detentions and torture?

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Do you believe war propaganda by one side in a civil war? (0.00 / 0)

That is the only place the unverified rumors that Moon amplifies are coming from. You know that, grow up and take responsibility for your brain. Don't let it Mr. Propaganda plant things there.

You and I know as much as Ban Ki Moon about what has taken place in those neighborhoods. Diddley squat.

Yes, that's right, what does this make Moon? A servile apologist for Western and Gulf dictatorship intervention that will generate a 10-15 year civil war in Syria? Yes, that's why he was appointed. Follow the money.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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In your opinion, was it the same situation (3.00 / 1)
with his father in 1982 in Hama?  Was that massacre also an invention of Western and Gulf dictatorship intervention?

I would humbly suggest to you that Mr. History can be a good friend when one is faced with the wiles of Mr. Propaganda, who can be something of a double agent, I have heard.

For your sake, I am going to ignore your other statements that you will eventually come to regret deeply.  I have already spoken to them and will not bother you any further regarding them at this time.


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Yer damned ally and its suicide bombs! This one kills 7. (0.00 / 0)

Earlier, a suicide car bomb exploded in the southern city of Daraa, known as the birthplace of the country's uprising, the state-run Sana news agency said. It said the suicide bombing occurred at a roundabout in the heart of Daraa, an area known as Daraa al-Balad, causing multiple casualties and damaging buildings and shops.

Residents said the explosion killed seven people and wounded several others.

Syria has seen a string of suicide bombings, the last on February 10th, when twin suicide bombs struck security compounds in the government stronghold city of Aleppo, killing 28 people and bringing significant violence for the first time to the city.

The capital Damascus, a stronghold of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad,  has seen three suicide bombings in the past two months.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Speaking of Iran's election (0.00 / 0)
HRW weighs in:

NewYork) - Iran's parliamentary elections scheduled for March 2, 2012, will be grossly unfair because of arbitrary disqualifications and other restrictions,Human Rights Watch said today. The voting for 290 parliamentary seats follows the disqualification of hundreds of candidates based on vague and ill-defined criteria, and opposition leaders are either barred from participating, serving unjust prison sentences, or refusing to participate in what they consider sham elections.

On February 21, the Guardian Council, an unelected body of 12 religious jurists, announced that fewer than 3,500 of the approximately 5,400 candidates running for seats in the majlis, Iran's parliament, had been approved to run. The Interior Ministry had earlier disqualified about 750 candidates. At least 35 of those disqualified by the Guardian Council are current members of parliament. In response to these and other state actions, Iran's opposition and reformist movement have called for an election boycott.

"Iranian authorities have stacked the deck by disqualifying candidates and arbitrarily jailing key members of the reform movement," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch."There is no transparency surrounding the vetting and selection of candidates."

Iran's vetting process for both parliamentary and presidential candidates involves several stages. The Interior Ministry conducts a first cut of applicants based on criteria set by the election laws. While some of these criteria are concrete, such as age limits and educational requirements, most are extremely vague, enabling authorities to make sweeping and arbitrary decisions. Candidates have four days to appeal the Interior Ministry's initial decision. Once the ministry compiles its list of "qualified" candidates, the Guardian Council makes the final decision on who may run for election.

On January 10, the Interior Ministry's election commission disqualified several dozen candidates because of their "lack of adherence to Islam and the Constitution." The disqualified candidates include several incumbents who were critical of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government. One of the disqualified candidates told Human Rights Watch that he received a note from local government authorities on January 10, informing him that he had been disqualified because he was allegedly affiliated with or supportive of "illegal" parties, organizations, or groups. He said the authorities gave him no additional information regarding the reasons for his disqualification, and he decided not to appeal the decision.

Human Rights Watch has learned that the latest list of candidates disqualified by the Guardian Council includes several members of the 15 members of the Sunni bloc in parliament. Among those who will no longer be members of parliament are Jalal Mahmoudzadeh and Eqbal Mohammadi, the former and current leaders of the bloc. On December 19, 2011, the faction had sent a letter to Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, asking him to protect the political and social rights of Iran's Sunni minority.

Over the past few years, authorities have banned some reformist parties and severely restricted the activities of others. On September 27, 2010, the general prosecutor and judiciary spokesman announced a court order dissolving two reformist political parties, the Islamic Iran Participation Front and the Mojahedin of the Islamic Revolution. Authorities prevent members of other pro-reform groups, like the Freedom Movement party, from holding gatherings.

The Guardian Council disqualifications came after reformist and opposition activists, some of whom are currently serving prison terms, denounced the upcoming elections and concluded that there was no reason to field candidates.On December 26, Fatemeh Karroubi relayed a message from her husband, Mehdi Karroubi, a former presidential candidate who has been under house arrest, calling the elections "a sham." Several days later, the Iranian judiciary announced that calls for a boycott of the elections constituted "a crime." On January 17, Saham News, a website affiliated with Karroubi's Etemad-e Melli party, said that authorities were holding Karroubi incommunicadoand preventing him from seeing his family in retaliation for his criticisms of the upcoming elections.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/0...



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fairleft, it is not too late. (4.50 / 2)
You are putting yourself in the position of defending the indefensible.  It's easy to get caught up in an ideology, and as events spin in a different direction than expected it can be difficult to extricate yourself.

But please try.  Please don't defend a human rights catastrophe or its authors.

There is much to criticize in the actions of the opposition.  Those would be worthy diaries. So would diaries about missed opportunities all along the way in this past year.  There was a time, as I have said, when Russia's and China's statements were appropriate to the circumstances. Had they acted more on their professed convictions at that time, who knows where things would stand?

But they did not. And now times are very, very different.

Please reconsider your stance in light of current facts.  

You don't hold the Red Cross / Red Crescent to be Western propaganda apologists, do you?


You cant be serious (3.00 / 2)
are you saying that Russia/China are currently equipped to overtake the US juggernaut? You can't be serious. That can't happen until US goes ballz deep into WW3. You'll have to wait a few more week/months. Not too long iow. But its not ripe yet. Right now, we'll have to wait out the Nuttyyahoo/Obomba kabuki. Then Assad's death by sodomy....then, and only then, can we get down to BUSINESS.

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Laura, really... (4.00 / 1)
Do you see how "cowardly" all these Western powers are being (according to their own professed opinions) in allowing the Syrian opposition to be outmaneuvered, because they do not wish to arm them?  This is a juggernaut?  I'm not in favor of any of the violence, but yes, Russia and China do indeed appear to have stymied the other nations. Money talks the world 'round, and the US just isn't the only game in town any more.  I'm sorry, but it isn't. Right now it's the rest of the world vs. 3: China, Russia and Syria.  And the 3 are literally calling the shots.

But I'm not really talking about that.  I am talking about the clear murder of innocent civilians after a rebel force has withdrawn specifically to avoid such actions.  The Red Cross / Red Crescent corroborate the violation of the agreement for allowing humanitarian aid to reach the remaining civilians.  Reports of civilian executions (men, women and children), indiscriminate shooting and of the rounding up of males thirteen and up are common and not from a single source.

Again, the Assad family has a history of this sort of atrocity in times of rebellion - the Hama massacre of 1982.  Should we praise this historic fact as an act of assertion of power against Western oppression or perhaps as a warning of current events?  Or something else... I'm all ears.

Given this history and given the current uncertain situation in Homs and the reports that are currently coming from the area, my position is that it would be extremely unwise to give any appearance of supporting the Syrian government's actions, lest one lose one's credibility for having supported a massacre in the name of ideology.  Who would want to have been an apologist for war crimes, particularly by a government against its own civilians?  A wait-and-see attitude would be the minimal position to take under such circumstances.  I regret I am more cynical than that.  

That does not preclude someone from refusing to join in calls to arm the rebels.  Indeed, I might be inclined to join that call.  But NOT at the expense of denying the tremendous crime currently be committed by those in power.  And make no mistake, given the current international stalemate and as facts appear to bear out, the Syrian government is the power on the ground right now.


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First off if you're faithful enough to really believe this premise (0.00 / 0)
Do you see how "cowardly" all these Western powers are being (according to their own professed opinions) in allowing the Syrian opposition to be outmaneuvered, because they do not wish to arm them?  This is a juggernaut?

just because the State Department says so(today), there's no discussion to be had. If you cant concede as much - that the US gov has consistently lied in the same manner, about its imperial ambitions before, during, and after its material conquests, for the past 100 YEARS...really there's nothing left to say. It's not like you just dropped out of the sky, or fell here from Daily Kos yesterday - so why still keeping the faith?

Of course Syria has shitty leadership - wow imagine that, a country killing its own citizens when they try violent revolution(the facts behind it, though damning, as usual, are irrelevant).  


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No, I get it. But (0.00 / 0)
following that logic to its end, there will never be a way for citizens to rise up against their government unless the US and other Western nations take no interest whatsoever. Otherwise, anything that happens is suspect prima facie. That is as illogical to me as pretending that the US does not get involved behind the scenes.

I am also still not clear why right-wing Republicans would also be against the Syrian government, since the Christian minority is a prominent part of that governing coalition.  That would seem to be a problem in the making for them, once their supporters find that out.


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'no interest whatsoever' has nothing to do with imposing crippling sanctions and (5.00 / 1)

getting your Gulf and Turkish allies/puppets to funnel guns, money and terrorists to the rebels.

The other thing the U.S. and the West could do, if they were real about 'hands off', is to get tough with and impose sanctions on countries that supply arms and money in support of an authoritarian Syria. But we hear none of that since it would be too ridiculously hypocritical.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Failreft (0.00 / 0)
You have to be the most intelligent blogger on the internet. You are to be praised for your activism and general greatness. Of course Huey Long was one of the greatest men in US herstory. Richard Nixon was the last liberal US President. God bless Richard Nixon. You were correct to throw Francis Holland under the bus. There should be big brother cameras in urban areas. You're not racist. You speak nothing but the truth. The Iranian theocracy is widely supported by its people, and you were astute to go against the obviously faked media campaign portraying otherwise. In a perfect world, you would be the leader. You are that incredible. And of course Amanda Knox was guilty as sin. Immigrants do need tot be deported asap. Keep doing what you do. You are the world's only hope. You basically know everything. You are a God in mere mortal skin. Oh my, and Laura is wonderful too, backing you up on every profound point you make. Omg, you are the bomb. ALL BOW TO THE GREATNESS THAT IS FAILREFT.

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Please discuss Huey Long at the Huey Long diary! (0.00 / 0)

The whole purpose of that diary was to get you and 'tale talking about one of odd confusions about me. And I thought we all could get to a more nuanced, not so black-and-white but more greyish, image of Huey.

But, sadly, you and 'tale made no comments.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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"No interest whatsoever" is quite a contrast with (0.00 / 0)

getting your Turkish and Gulf allies to provide sanctuary, arms, money, and terrorists to the rebels in Syria. Also quite a contrast with organizing an international campaign to impose crippling sanctions on Syria.

What the U.S. and the West could do if it respected Syrian sovereignty would be to put massive pressure on those outside countries that were arming an authoritarian Syria. It could also use the tools of boycott in service of compromise and dialogue, instead of (I assume) issuing 'NO Dialogue!' directives to the rebels.

But, really, this debating point is "today's headline" talk and has no historical context; it doesn't respect Assad's longtime service to the West and the fact that service to the West and other outside powers has been one reason he and his family have survived so long. Without outside funding and support, and without the (true) patriotic rallying cry that the West is trying to remake Syria into a neo-colonial state, I think he would have long ago fallen to democratic forces.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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A plea from the Al Qaeda suicide-bombed citizens of Aleppo to vox humana (2.00 / 1)

No city in Syria is more mixed, more diverse, than Aleppo. Until now, Aleppo has stood for just about everything Al Qaeda of Iraq opposes. Toleration has been its hallmark since Ottoman times. It invited foreigners to trade within its walls in centuries when the Sunni patricians of Hama and Damascus would not so much as shake the hand of an infidel. When the Turks massacred Armenians in the First World War, Aleppo opened its doors. A flourishing Armenian community lives in Aleppo even now, alongside Arab Christians and Muslims. It is not uncommon for Christians to be invited to evening iftars by their Muslim friends or for Muslims to visit Christians on their feast days. There are friendships and business rivalries that cross sectarian lines, and few in Aleppo would choose to forfeit that in a conflagration like Lebanon's or Iraq's.

Aleppo is a trading entrepĂ´t, once on the Silk Route, in the northern plain whose pistachio groves and cotton fields have formed the basis of its economic prosperity. Its citizens, in common with most other Syrians, have their criticisms of a regime that has been brutal and allowed corruption to flourish. But Aleppins I know cannot embrace either a past marked by the almost annual military putsches of the 1950s and 1960s or a future defined by religious bigots who will destroy the enlightened basis of their prosperity. Yet someone is bringing the fight to Aleppo ... It will undoubtedly spread further and take many more lives as long as outside powers prefer stoking the fires to putting them out. ...

If outsiders were interested in helping the Syrian people, rather than taking hard-line positions on behalf of one side or the other, they would listen to Syrians. December's YouGov-Siraj poll for the Doha Debate indicated that 55 per cent of Syrians do not want Mr Al Assad to step down. Syrians appear to prefer negotiations leading to authentic elections in which they can determine their own fate. This may include their right to vote for (or against) Mr Al Assad and the Baath Party. Why can't the United States and Russia, the two most powerful backers of the opposing factions, sponsor a conference that both sides must attend?

http://www.thenational.ae/then...

Dialogue and compromise are, of course, exactly what China and Russia and everyone not victimized by one side's imperial war propaganda is pushing.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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You really are a perfect example, by the way, of what my diary is satirizing. (2.00 / 1)

Seriously, "It's too late" for peace, dialogue and compromise? Are you serious? Are you addicted to death and war or a humanitarian?

Don't the Red Cross or Red Crescent want the fighting to stop? The Syrian army is bombing the rebel-held areas of Homs and preventing ICRC trucks from driving into those parts of Homs during the shelling. The Syrian army is committing war crimes by knowingly killing civilians, just as the rebels are committing war crimes by knowingly killing civilians. The difference between the two sides, for you, is your heavy consumption of one side's propaganda. As a slight corrective, please view the following excellent report:



For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Please don't mischaracterize my position. (4.00 / 1)
I write poorly enough as it is.

Nowhere did I say that it is too late for peace or compromise.  What I did say is that it is too late for the statements such as the first two quotes you gave that Russia and China are making now.  I have said before and will repeat here that their position in and of itself is not a bad one, but the statements and proposals always come a little too late to be effective.

Events have again moved beyond their current stated position.

Please stop missing, willfully or otherwise, the places where I assert it is possible to refuse to advocate for one side or the other. In your diaries, because you appear to be taking a side, which is not the same as advocating for peace, I focus on the undeniable atrocities of a government in power, in the course of putting down a rebellion, acting against its own innocent civilians at the same time.  

In your apparent advocacy of the Syrian government, you appear to ignore the war crimes of that government with something akin to the "But Mom, they're doing it, too!" defense, which I have never bought as a parent nor as a world citizen.


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You misspoke, just fess up: (0.00 / 0)

This is you, writing the "It's too late" for dialogue and negotiations pro-civil-war argument that I satirize:

There was a time, as I have said, when Russia's and China's statements were appropriate to the circumstances. Had they acted more on their professed convictions at that time, who knows where things would stand?

But they did not. And now times are very, very different.

Again, donkeytale/vox, being against a U.S./Saudi/AlQaeda-financed and supported civil war that would rip the sh!t out of Syria's heretofore relatively peaceful and non-sectarian society IS NOT being in favor of the Syrian government. JUST LIKE being against a U.S. invasion of Iraq that would rip the sh!t out of Iraq WAS NOT being in favor of the Iraqi government in 2003-2003.

Now go watch that video like I told you and get an adult, balanced perspective.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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fairleft, there is nothing in my quote you give (0.00 / 0)
that says it is too late for dialogue and negotiations.  If you read it again, you will see that I said their statements are always just behind what is needed at the moment.

It is possible, indeed quite likely, that they are working behind the scenes (particularly Russia).  But again, the results have not spoken well to their approach.  To be fair, it is an intractable problem.

Who said I support an invasion or civil war (well, besides you in comments like this one above, that is)?  There was a time this entire protest was peaceful, but I do not recall your having been in favor of it then, either.  I may be wrong about that.


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The intractable problem is that the U.S. and its allies want a civil war that overthrows the Syrian government. (0.00 / 0)

Nonetheless, the Syrian government has given in broadly and fundamentally with the new constitution. Reaction by Clinton and the West: ridicule. The Syrian government has offered to sit down with the rebels and engage in a dialogue. The reaction of the rebels is to demand as a condition of talks that the Syrian government disarm and retreat from parts of its own country.

Do you support the Chinese/Russian efforts to promote dialogue? Well then, that means you oppose U.S./Saudi/rebels' efforts to prevent dialogue and promote war. But you never say you oppose U.S./Saudi/etc. anti-peace efforts. In fact this quote -- "the results have not spoken well to their approach" -- blames the Russians and Chinese and ignores the role of the West in promoting war and regime change and fighting against dialogue and compromise. Weird. And pro-war.

It's relevant that at one point early in the Libyan protests, before the NATO carpet bombing, I supported the threatening NATO/U.S. moves, because they had led the Libyan government to make gigantic concessions and had opened it to open up to dialogue which could have been made permanent and could've led to great democratic and changes in Libya, changes that might not have simply replaced one set of ethnic clans with another there, which is what ended up happening. I think now or a few months ago was a similar time in Syria. The government has made enormous concessions -- all three of the protesters' major demands -- that can lead to a far more democratic and still non-sectarian nation. Why not leave Syria alone, stop funding the rebellion? Why do you feel that is too late? Why don't you say anything about the evil your country, the U.S., promoting and probably funding a horrific civil war in Syria?

Frankly, I wasn't paying much attention specifically to Syria when people were protesting there in mid and late 2011, when there were protests and passionate demonstrators, and troops killing protestors and activists, in Syria, Bahrain, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, and on and on. It's relevant that I am not a citizen of Syria but you and I are both citizens of the U.S., as far as I know. So, logically and with respect for other nations' sovereignty, I only became sharply interested in Syria when the U.S. empire began its big regime change intervention there. What interests me is stopping demonstrations from being transformed BY OUR GOOD OL' USA into a long, vicious sectarian civil war.

P.S. - A fair reading of your earlier post is that you felt it was too late for dialogue and reconciliation.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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This is what is driving me to distraction: (0.00 / 0)
Do you support the Chinese/Russian efforts to promote dialogue? Well then, that means you oppose U.S./Saudi/rebels' efforts to prevent dialogue and promote war. But you never say you oppose U.S./Saudi/etc. anti-peace efforts. In fact this quote -- "the results have not spoken well to their approach" -- blames the Russians and Chinese and ignores the role of the West in promoting war and regime change and fighting against dialogue and compromise. Weird. And pro-war.

No, unless you assume there is an either/or here: either you are for Russia and China and the Syrian government, or you are for the rest of the nations who have become involved.  

Saying Russian and Chinese efforts have not spoken well to their approach means... ummm... that Russian and Chinese efforts have not spoken well to their approach.  You think they have? Their efforts have been every bit as lopsided as have the other nations who have involved themselves.

The fact that I don't agree with your position does not mean that I am in some other "camp" that you may have pre-determined in order to simplify the opposition to "us vs. them."


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How many times have I said it's not about being 'for' one side or the other? (0.00 / 0)

As respectful outsiders but citizens of one of the countries funding the regime change war, our first and probably only duty is to urge our government to stop intervening on the side of death, civil war, and regime change. It would be common decency, also, if we urged the U.S. to offer, like China and Russia, to use its diplomatic resources to promote dialogue and peace.

Yes, the Russians and Chinese have done some good stuff so far, like preventing a 'carpet-bombing Libya' from happening. They also exerted pressure on the Syrian government to move forward on its big compromises and democratization. Finally, if the U.S. and its allies retreat somewhat from what hopefully is a lost cause, quick regime change, then the Russian and Chinese efforts for dialogue and a negotiated settlement will also win out. And yet there is still war in a couple neighborhoods of Homs and likely elsewhere.

Generally, I think at this point the war crimes and needless deaths are relatively few (I assume the rebels figures are far above the real number, and that the Syrian government figures are also somewhat exaggerated), compared to what would happen if there is a full-scale regime change war, and things seem to be dying down. This is closely related to the regime change failure at the UN.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
It's disgusting (2.00 / 1)
and the only buzz....as usual, is forlorn apologia.

Ahistorical socratishit notwithstanding.


No. (0.00 / 0)
the only buzz....as usual, is forlorn apologia.

Some of us are skeptical of both sides, when called for.

That skepticism does NOT extend to indiscriminate shelling of a city, even before but particularly after rebel forces have left.

I never found Sherman's march to the sea to be a good strategy or a moral action.  It is my understanding that there were some people in power mid-last-Century in Central Europe who admired that sort of thing when it came to crushing rebel forces.

I am not in unity with that.


[ Parent ]
Indiscriminate shelling versus suicide bombs (0.00 / 0)

And don't you think there is plenty of indiscrimate fire directed by rebels at non-rebel neighborhoods ... I really don't understand how you have the Syrian rebels coming out obviously way out ahead of the Syrian government. But I don't exclusively consume Western imperial propaganda. I try to balance my intake of propaganda by getting it from both sides, which is pretty easy to do.

And then sometimes I stumble on stuff that I don't think is propaganda so much, like that video I just posted above, which is basically an interview with an expert in Lebanon who seems to me generally independent and common-sensical.

Do you realize how much destruction and death was caused by the NATO carpet bombing of Qaddafi-loyalist cities and neighborhoods? This war propaganda campaign is leading directly to something similar or worse in Syria.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
Crazy Stuff Failreft/VonLaura Are Saying about Syria (0.00 / 0)
These asshatmuchers can't even get their kook ideas an audience at left leaning blogs. Now this pitiful wench has the nerve to describe moi as ahistorical.

I exposed one of the most notorious criminals in Indiana history attempting to brush truths under internet rugs. I hit the top of the zeitgeist with a story that can be connected to Anthony Weinergate, Howard Stern, internet predator Neal Cheesehaurer, and Andrew Breitbart.

I exposed internet hoaxes used to garner in major donations. (See Friedman, Brad or Blog, Brad, etc. and so forth)

Yet, I'm ahistorical, while Laura and her pet monkey wrench are proclaimed as the bestus in internet activism.

Hey dude, book yourself a ticket for the Clue Train. DO IT NOW!


[ Parent ]
errrr (5.00 / 1)
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/...
Flash: Syrian TV and raw propaganda footage from Aljazeera and CNN

It seems that Syrian regime had agents among the rebels; or it seems that the Syrian regime obtained a trove of video footage from Baba Amru.  They have been airing them non-stop.  They are quite damning.  They show the correspondent or witness (for CNN or from Aljazeera) before he is on the air: and the demeanor is drastically different from the demeanor on the air and they even show contrived sounds of explosions timed for broadcast time.  I have to say that Aljazeera and the affiliated Ikhwan media win the award for the largest volume of lies in this crisis.  Their lies have been rather helpful to the Syrian regime which now fills its airtime with exposing the lies and exaggerations of the Ikhwan-led Syrian opposition.

PS This is really scandalous. It shows the footage prior to Aljazeera reports: they show fake bandages applied on a child and then a person is ordered to carry a camera in his hand to make it look like a mobile footage.  It shows a child being fed what to say on Aljazeera.



Where is the footage of Marie Colvin, Remi Ochlik, Anthony Shadid faking their deaths? (3.00 / 1)
First, the Fake Left says "we cant possibly know whats going on in Libya Syria so we therefore must believe 100% in whatever the state media propaganda du jour, reported from the comfortable safety of Damascus, Tehran, London, Moscow and......Modesto (rioutouss!)"

Then, when a dozen or so reporters answer the fake left challenge and smuggle themselves into the middle of the bombardment, about half of them are killed and/or seriously wounded (mostly by the falling Russian-made bombs fired from Syrian tanks into residential neighborhoods) for their efforts. The fact of this existential journalism by death stands as stark portrayal of the murderous bombardment by the historically brutal Asswadian dynastic regime and its absurd apologists.

Cricket chirps from the fake left.

Then, the regime "re-takes" the neighborhood, agrees to Chinese and Russian calls for humanitarian aid, then doesn't allow any aid into the affected areas.

Cricket chirps from the fake left.

Or this just in from Modesto: "Ignore mountains of video and the firsthand reports of (several now dead and/or severely wounded) reporters on the ground. Ignore the stonewalling of the Red Crescent by the lying regime and its ongoing media censorship blackout but listen to me from my ivory tower in.....Modesto (rioutous!). I have a video of fake news reports!!!! They were faked in Lybia too, even though the events bore out the efficacy of those reports and proved RT was lying. Therefore, because I have a video, the bombings, the deaths and the destruction shown clearly in hundreds of of other streamed videos are 100% invalidated."

And this guy is a perfesser? Obviously doesnt teach Logic 101.

Misdirection 101, more like it.



[ Parent ]
Raw CNN footage: Danny of Syria and 'get the bomb sounds ready' (0.00 / 0)

As Laura's blockquote says, apparently Syria got its hands on raw Al Jazeera and CNN propaganda footage. This could be propaganda by the Syrian side, but very hard to fake I think.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
vox humana Is Possibly The Only Sane One Left? (0.00 / 0)
DavidByron completely jumped ship well over two months ago.

Could somebody here please explain what the fuck they think they are talking about?

All of my information says that the Syrian "rebels" are nothing but mercenaries left over from the Libya disaster. All of the negative reports about the Syrian government come from un-named "activists" and Western Imperial agencies such as the Red Cross. If Rhode Island were invaded by "rebels" from China does anyone think the U.S. government would simply allow them to proceed without shooting a few of them?

Here are some of the lovely activities of the righteous roving mercenary rebels. Russia Times Report:

http://rt.com/news/libya-rebel...

Direct YouTube Video:

Libya: Blacks treated like Apes in the Zoo by rebels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...

Of course, nobody wants to talk about the monstrous Saudi Arabian or Kuwaiti nightmare states where the slightest protest makes people disappear.

Maybe all the Syrians really need are our wonderful Diebold voting machines? Is that what you think will solve their "democracy problem?"

Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."


CNN And Al Jazeera Are Now Very Well Known To Work For The Folks In Virginia... (0.00 / 0)
But you knew that?

Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."

[ Parent ]
RT is Russian state media propaganda. Russia supports the Asswad Regime (3.00 / 1)
The rebels are coming after Putin, too. So he too denies that anybody could ever possibly be upset with his financial and electoral corruption and blames all his problems on the CIA. (a tried and true tactic that in the end, never works)

Pretty easy to see what this is about, blues.

At least you now admit that Fairleft and Laura are insane?


[ Parent ]
CNN is U.S. state media propaganda. It apparently wants a 10-year civil war in Syria. (2.00 / 1)

Or maybe it will be 15 years long, like neighbor Lebanon's. Happy days for Syria!

By far most of the rebel money and arms are coming from and aligned with the sectarian Sunni Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, not to mention Al Qaeda, so guess what happens to Syria if the 'good guys' win? Religious cleansing, perpetual intersectarian warfare and terrorism, yeah probly.

The rebels are not coming after Putin. Huh? Putin is the candidate for President of Russia who (according to all the pre-election polls) will win the majority of votes in the election taking place now in Russia. Just like candidates aligned with Putin won most of the votes in parliamentary elections in Russia a few weeks ago. Results which exactly aligned with all pre-election polls but were still attacked by U.S. state media propaganda. U.S. state media attacks Russia because it is an imperial rival blocking U.S. hegemony in the Middle East and Central Asia.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
"tit for tat is a useless tautology and will not help clarify the fault lines of the (fake) Left beyond its current dilemma. " (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
My diary was sarcasm. I agree with all of your comments, more or less. (2.00 / 1)

It's obscene what the rebels, now rulers of Libya, are doing to migrant worker blacks there. But that and an economically devastated country, plus 10s of thousands of dead civilians and soldiers, is what NATO has gifted Libya. And of course that news won't be heard except on 'anti-U.S.' Russia Today or 'The Real News' or 'Press TV'.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
"Now that even Hamas has dissociated itself from the murderous Assad regime and sided with the Syrian revolutionaries, (4.00 / 1)
the [fake] Left is left hanging out to dry, wondering what to do or say about a world that is changing so fast that has left them chasing after their own tail. "

Go fetch, Fairleft.

Good boy. Here's your doggie treat.

You get to share a bone with blues.

RIOTOUS!


[ Parent ]
Angry Arab's comment on Hamas and Gulf money: (0.00 / 0)

Hamas in the footsteps of Arafat: the track of duplicity

Hamas is very much like Fatah in its heydays: it is an organization up for sale and has a weakness for Gulf oil money.  On Syria: Isma`il Haniyyah offers support for Syrian protesters in Cairo, while Musa Abu Marzuq yesterday stated that Hamas does not oppose the Syrian regime and paid tribute to the Syrian regime stances.  Yet, you don't see criticisms of Hamas--as you see criticisms of Hizbullah--in Hariri, Saudi, and Ikhwan media because their agenda in press coverage is purely sectarian.  

Posted by As'ad AbuKhalil at 5:56 AM [March 2]

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
Translation: The Angry Californian (himself a fake leftist) has been hung out to dry by Hamas decision to disassociate from the murderous Assad regime and side with the revolutionaries (4.00 / 1)
It was Hafez Al-Assad, founder of the 40 year plus Asswadian Dynasty, who sold the PLO down the river.

But this is historical context, which doesnt at all serve the propaganda purposes of the Angry Californian or his dismal fake left leftist followers, Failreft and Laura Johann. The Angry Californian is (or should be) welll aware of this history. The latter two loosers, of course, know nothing of history. Nun.

Assad portrayed himself as a defender and friend of the Palestinian people. But his support for the Palestinians was always subordinated to considerations of Syria's national interests, which were identified with the maintenance of his own regime. He repeatedly chose to safeguard Syria from Israeli and US wrath and abandon the Palestinians to their fate. His "support" for the Palestinian cause was, more precisely, an attempt to dominate the Palestinian masses and utilise them as pawns in his diplomatic manoeuvres abroad and power politics at home. As early as 1966, when Arafat first tried to throw off Syrian control, Assad had him and a number of his key supporters locked up in Mezze prison for 55 days.

http://wsws.org/articles/2000/...


[ Parent ]
Angry Arab is familiar with the 'follow the money' wisdom and I'm sure had no (4.00 / 1)

idealistic delusions about Hamas. In incredibly strong contrast, you've never heard of 'follow the money' apparently and therefore are permanently deluded about the good intentions of CNN fake Danny of Syria, NATO bombardments and Al Qaeda suicide bombings, as long as they're fighting for a free and democratic Libya/Syria.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
"Follow the monkey" (0.00 / 0)
Wrench

(:@)


[ Parent ]
Thick, very thick war propaganda (1.00 / 1)

Ikhwan is the Salafist, I mean Muslim Brotherhood, site that is/backs the rebels:

Friday, March 02, 2012
Ikhwan media steals a picture of Palestinians and runs it as Syrian

The Ikhwan media stole a picture of a Palestinian facing an Israeli tank, and runs it as if it is from Syria.  (thanks Khalid)

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Hydrate this troll on sight (0.00 / 0)
Use all your donuts on this sucker. Also, don't forget to sign in later for further discussion on how to deal with this troll infestation. See ye all later at our hidden Usual Gang of Supertrolls blog. Yours truly, ColonelFlaw  

[ Parent ]
The pro-censorship, charming side of socrates comes out again. (0.00 / 0)

We're learning about you but you aren't learning anything here. Why is that?

And where's donkeytale to rate that asshole comment up?

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
Realise this comes from Al Jazeera, but it is an opinion article expressing the views of one man (5.00 / 2)
who criticises both the right and left, in particular, "a certain segment of the left" (AKA the fake left)who cannot come to grips intellectually with the Arab Spring and thus find themselves trapped on the wrong side of herstory, IE in support of venal, doomed, right-wing authoritarian regimes.

His commentary almost perfectly summarises the absurd anti-intellectual position of you dolts:

But the Right is not only silent about such manipulations of a revolutionary uprising, but in fact, approves and endorses it - for them, the Libyan episode has been quite appetising, entirely oblivious or even dismissive of the post-Gaddafi atrocities that has prompted the critical intervention of (among others) Trinity College professor, Vijay Prashad, who has recently observed:

There is a serious need to evaluate what has happened in Libya as a result not only of the Gaddafi atrocities, of the rise of a rebellion, but also significantly of the nature of the NATO intervention. And that evaluation has not happened ... I'm afraid that is really calling into question the use of human rights as a lubricant for intervention. If we can't go back and evaluate what has happened, I think a lot of people around the world are afraid of going forward into another intervention, where the lessons of Libya have not been learned.  

The Right dismisses all this as leftist hogwash, and in response to this outright hypocrisy or blatant imperialism of the Right, the position of the Left becomes even more entrenched, and thus morally ambivalent and intellectually challenged: Yes, the Syrian regime might be corrupt and murderous, they consent, but the real danger to the Syrian revolution comes from the US and Saudi Arabia - so they remain at best ambivalent and at worst silent on the criminal Syrian regime. If anyone dares to point to Assad's murderous spectacle, they accuse him/her of complacency with the US and Saudi Arabia, or else a mere simpleton manipulated by "the Western media".
 

Syria holds referendum amid violence

The Left contends that what started as genuine protests has now been hijacked by "extremist Sunni groups" inside Syria [ed. note-- the revisionist fake left contends the protests were always violent and thus illegitimate from the get-go] and by outside forces that extend from the US to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and by extension, the Gulf states - all lining up against Iran and Hezbollah, which, for them, is evidently the forefront of resistance against imperialism. Some on the Left who approve of the Arab Spring even suggest that the Arab revolutionaries ought to develop a strategic alliance with the ruling regime in the Islamic Republic. Yes, they say, the regime in Iran might be murderous towards its own citizens, but it is standing up to imperialism. Again: the moral depravity of the position is informed by its political illiteracy.

Now even al-Qaeda (whatever that means) has entered the scene and wants to have a piece of the action. Ayman al-Zawahiri recently issued a video, denouncing Assad and urging Muslims to revolt against him - which fact has given even more reason to the Left to denounce the Syrian uprising altogether. Now that even Hamas has dissociated itself from the murderous Assad regime and sided with the Syrian revolutionaries, the Left is left hanging out to dry, wondering what to do or say about a world that is changing so fast that has left them chasing after their own tail.

This is a Marxist interpretation of the Arab Spring, which should be obvious to anyone claiming to be leftist:

Categorically absent from the calculations of both the Left and the Right are the people, the real people, ordinary people, those who occupy the public space, people it, own it. For the Left and the Right, these people are mere puppets that are either used, abused for facilitating the US-Saudi machinations, or else duped into revolutionary uprising that has been hijacked from them. Neither the Left nor the Right has the slightest trust, confidence, or even a politically potent conception of the public space that ordinary people physically and normatively occupy.

Suppose Bashar al-Assad falls tomorrow, the Saudi and the Americans succeed in establishing a puppet regime and resume business as usual - is that the end of Syrians' uprising? Is that what the Arab Spring and Tahrir Square are all about? Now, suppose Russia, China and the Islamic Republic manage to keep Assad in power, is that the end of the Syrian uprising?

No: the revolutions have just started.

Inside Syria - Is Syria's uprising being hijacked?

The fundamental flaw of both the Left and the Right is that - one from intellectual limitation and the other out of moral deprivation - they have no ground-up conception of what it is that is unfolding in front of their eyes and we call the Arab Spring. They are both statists - power hungry, reaching to gain control of the state apparatus, or what Max Weber called "external means" of any state, its violent means of domination, forgetting what in the same sentence Weber called the necessity of "inner justification" on part of the people subject to those external means. Syrians, like all other Arabs from Morocco to Bahrain and down to Yemen, as indeed Iranians before and along with them in the rest of the Muslim world, have lost that "inner justification" and no "external means" - provided by the US/Saudis or by Russia/Islamic Republic - can force them into obedience.

Open-ended revolutions are what we are witnessing in the Arab world - and open-ended revolutions mean people matter, mean the Egyptians are still out in Tahrir Square, and they mean that these states, however they turn out and are manufactured by external machinations, need a populace to rule - and that populace will never be subject to one or another sort of tyranny or treachery.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indep...


Excellent stuff, donkeyblancabottle (5.00 / 1)
Though as an ahistorical supertroll, I haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[ Parent ]
As Laura rebukes go, that one was pretty mild...is it 'Be Kind to Retards' Month? (5.00 / 1)



[ Parent ]
Yup, something like that (0.00 / 0)
Those two are so stupid, it would be overkill on failrefty and shimsham to hit them much harder than that. They fricken debunk themselves. They are the easiest win after the Washington Generals.

[ Parent ]
Realise this comes from Al Jazeera, but it is an opinion article expressing the views of one man (3.00 / 1)
who criticises both the right and left, in particular, "a certain segment of the left" (AKA the fake left)who cannot come to grips intellectually with the Arab Spring and thus find themselves trapped on the wrong side of herstory, IE in support of venal, doomed, right-wing authoritarian regimes.

His commentary almost perfectly summarises the absurd anti-intellectual position of you dolts:

But the Right is not only silent about such manipulations of a revolutionary uprising, but in fact, approves and endorses it - for them, the Libyan episode has been quite appetising, entirely oblivious or even dismissive of the post-Gaddafi atrocities that has prompted the critical intervention of (among others) Trinity College professor, Vijay Prashad, who has recently observed:

There is a serious need to evaluate what has happened in Libya as a result not only of the Gaddafi atrocities, of the rise of a rebellion, but also significantly of the nature of the NATO intervention. And that evaluation has not happened ... I'm afraid that is really calling into question the use of human rights as a lubricant for intervention. If we can't go back and evaluate what has happened, I think a lot of people around the world are afraid of going forward into another intervention, where the lessons of Libya have not been learned.  

The Right dismisses all this as leftist hogwash, and in response to this outright hypocrisy or blatant imperialism of the Right, the position of the Left becomes even more entrenched, and thus morally ambivalent and intellectually challenged: Yes, the Syrian regime might be corrupt and murderous, they consent, but the real danger to the Syrian revolution comes from the US and Saudi Arabia - so they remain at best ambivalent and at worst silent on the criminal Syrian regime. If anyone dares to point to Assad's murderous spectacle, they accuse him/her of complacency with the US and Saudi Arabia, or else a mere simpleton manipulated by "the Western media".
 

Syria holds referendum amid violence

The Left contends that what started as genuine protests has now been hijacked by "extremist Sunni groups" inside Syria [ed. note-- the revisionist fake left contends the protests were always violent and thus illegitimate from the get-go] and by outside forces that extend from the US to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and by extension, the Gulf states - all lining up against Iran and Hezbollah, which, for them, is evidently the forefront of resistance against imperialism. Some on the Left who approve of the Arab Spring even suggest that the Arab revolutionaries ought to develop a strategic alliance with the ruling regime in the Islamic Republic. Yes, they say, the regime in Iran might be murderous towards its own citizens, but it is standing up to imperialism. Again: the moral depravity of the position is informed by its political illiteracy.

Now even al-Qaeda (whatever that means) has entered the scene and wants to have a piece of the action. Ayman al-Zawahiri recently issued a video, denouncing Assad and urging Muslims to revolt against him - which fact has given even more reason to the Left to denounce the Syrian uprising altogether. Now that even Hamas has dissociated itself from the murderous Assad regime and sided with the Syrian revolutionaries, the Left is left hanging out to dry, wondering what to do or say about a world that is changing so fast that has left them chasing after their own tail.

This is a Marxist interpretation of the Arab Spring, which should be obvious to anyone claiming to be leftist:

Categorically absent from the calculations of both the Left and the Right are the people, the real people, ordinary people, those who occupy the public space, people it, own it. For the Left and the Right, these people are mere puppets that are either used, abused for facilitating the US-Saudi machinations, or else duped into revolutionary uprising that has been hijacked from them. Neither the Left nor the Right has the slightest trust, confidence, or even a politically potent conception of the public space that ordinary people physically and normatively occupy.

Suppose Bashar al-Assad falls tomorrow, the Saudi and the Americans succeed in establishing a puppet regime and resume business as usual - is that the end of Syrians' uprising? Is that what the Arab Spring and Tahrir Square are all about? Now, suppose Russia, China and the Islamic Republic manage to keep Assad in power, is that the end of the Syrian uprising?

No: the revolutions have just started.

Inside Syria - Is Syria's uprising being hijacked?

The fundamental flaw of both the Left and the Right is that - one from intellectual limitation and the other out of moral deprivation - they have no ground-up conception of what it is that is unfolding in front of their eyes and we call the Arab Spring. They are both statists - power hungry, reaching to gain control of the state apparatus, or what Max Weber called "external means" of any state, its violent means of domination, forgetting what in the same sentence Weber called the necessity of "inner justification" on part of the people subject to those external means. Syrians, like all other Arabs from Morocco to Bahrain and down to Yemen, as indeed Iranians before and along with them in the rest of the Muslim world, have lost that "inner justification" and no "external means" - provided by the US/Saudis or by Russia/Islamic Republic - can force them into obedience.

Open-ended revolutions are what we are witnessing in the Arab world - and open-ended revolutions mean people matter, mean the Egyptians are still out in Tahrir Square, and they mean that these states, however they turn out and are manufactured by external machinations, need a populace to rule - and that populace will never be subject to one or another sort of tyranny or treachery.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indep...


Al Jazeera joins the big boys! (2.00 / 1)

Now it's a 'real' news source, right donkeytale?

Saturday, March 03, 2012
Aljazeera-leaks

This is rather explosive.  You know how low Aljazeera has sunk when Syrian regime TV stations have a field day with the shoddy journalism and fabrication procedures of Aljazeera.  It seems that people inside Aljazeera have leaked raw footage and pre-air reports to someone in Syrian regime TV.  I am not surprised of the leak at all: I am in contact from people inside Aljazeera who are disgusted by the propaganda work of the network in the last few months.  The network is has been so bad that the law of diminishing returns apply here: the network has gone too far in its propaganda work that I can't see any effectiveness in what they do.  I mean, when they declare Friday after Friday that demonstrations "have finally reached" Aleppo and Damascus, and then repeat that the following Friday, you know what you are dealing with.  There have been too many lies and no attempts are even feigning professionalism anymore.  When the former director of the network speaks about regime change in Syria when he won't dare utter a word about dismantling apartheid Israel you understand that the mission is coming down from the Emir himself.  I know how those things work and they know that I know.  The footage that are being shown show staging of events of calling a civilian an "officer" in the Syrian army, of faking injuries and feeding statements to people before airtime, etc. Aljazeera seems to be writing its own professional obituary.  I don't know how it can really resurrect itself again.  It is mortally wounded. I know that there are people in the network who are pained about what is happening but royal orders are royal orders in the network and no one dare to disobey.  I am told that orders came down to the effect that no half-position would be tolerated and that categorical adoption of the Qatari foreign policy on Syria is a job requirement.  

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Yawn. "tit for tat is a useless tautology and will not help clarify the fault lines of the [Fake] Left beyond its current dilemma. " (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
You're bamboozled and clueless. And self-righteous. (2.00 / 1)

Watch the video on my new diary, maybe you'll see the light.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
More crazy stuff Russia/China are saying, but Assad (surprise!) not listening: (4.00 / 2)
Humanitarian aid began arriving in the Syrian city of Homs today, as international pressure on the Syrian government intensified over the violent crackdown on opponents of the Assad regime. Today even Syrian allies Russia and China joined the push for humanitarian relief to the conflict-ravaged country.

A small Red Cross/Red Crescent convoy of trucks reached Homs Friday after a long journey from Damascus through snow, reports BBC News.  The Syrian Red Crescent's Khaled Erksoussi told Agence France-Presse that the convoy was "carrying food, medicines, blankets, milk for babies and other equipment." Red Crescent volunteers and medical personnel plan to distribute the supplies to residents of the besieged neighborhood of Baba Amr, which has been the target of shelling by the Syrian military over the past few weeks.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says it is still negotiating with Syrian authorities who have denied its aid convoy access to the shattered Baba Amr district of Homs.

An ICRC convoy of seven trucks carrying food and other relief supplies, joined by Red Crescent ambulances to evacuate the sick and wounded, has been stalled in Homs since arriving there on Friday.

ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger said in a statement issued in Geneva that it is unacceptable that people who have been in need of emergency assistance for weeks have still not received any help.

He said the Red Cross and Syrian Arab Red Crescent Society would stay in Homs in the hope of entering Baba Amr as soon as possible.

Syrian authorities had given the independent agency a "green light" on Thursday to enter on Friday, the statement said without providing further details on what had prevented their humanitarian operation to start.



Maybe They Need More Time (0.00 / 0)
To hide the operatives and weapons of Al Mukhabarat Al A'amah, Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency, in the deeper recesses behind the token aid materials in the Red Cross, Red Crescent convoy trucks.

The endless revolution must get started before the new constitution allows Syria's Sunni majority to elect a new government to replace the current Alawite (nominally Shiite) leaders.

But then, the Russians will probably have a bit to say about that operation.

Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."


[ Parent ]
Is this what Team Lyndon LaDouche are reporting? (0.00 / 0)
Nice to see you again, Bluecheese. Your brand of crazy is good for the ratings.

[ Parent ]
Too Bad Your's Is Not, Suckratestes (5.00 / 1)
You can take raunchytail with you.

I'm starting a new blog. It will not need your perverted services, ratcocksucker.

We might get something said. Stay tooned, ratcocksucker.

Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."


[ Parent ]
Haha (0.00 / 0)
You haven't been this funny, since your historic meltdown at Mesoc'a, AspieBoy.

[ Parent ]
Grammar lesson time, dude (0.00 / 0)
There's no apostrophe with yours. And omg, raunchytail, haha, funny schtuff, Senor Numbnut.

[ Parent ]
As A Linguist, I Get To Say What I Want (0.00 / 0)
I prefer "your's" to "yours". No need to omit the apostrophe, since there is no other-word interference. I also prefer English quotation, you will observe.

Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."

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I Finally Must Out Suckrates (0.00 / 0)
Here he is. Better looking than I thought!



Chef Gordon Ramsay: "Not all the blood comes from the meat."


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ICRC trucks normally enter a warzone during a ceasefire. (0.00 / 0)

Seems fairly clear to me that Syria thought the battle in those neighborhoods was over and had wanted to let ICRC go in on Friday, but that the rebels started fighting again so that had to be delayed.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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China calls for a cease-fire and talks. Shocking, I tell you, shocking! (0.00 / 0)

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Also Sunday, China offered a proposal to end the violence in Syria, calling for an immediate cease-fire and talks by all parties. But it stood firm in its opposition to foreign intervention. [WHAT THE HELL, no foreign intervention, what kind of peace is that??!]

The proposal, posted on the Foreign Ministry's website, describes the situation in Syria as "grave" and calls for an immediate end to all violence as well as humanitarian relief and negotiations mediated by the U.N. and the Arab League.

But it rejects outside interference, sanctions and attempts at regime change. [WHA-aah, no outside interference, that's unAMERICAN! And NO SANCTIONS?!, how does that help Syria??!]

"We oppose anyone interfering in Syria's internal affairs under the pretext of 'humanitarian' issues," the proposal said. "China does not approve of armed interference or pushing for 'regime change' in Syria and believes that use or threat of sanctions does not help to resolve the issue."

http://www.thehimalayantimes.c...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


That's more like it, (0.00 / 0)
although the wording is a little ironic, I think, beyond what they might have intended.  I mean, aren't they foreign?  and aren't they intervening?  I assume they mean supplying arms or financial assistance?

Sanctions are an interesting issue.  Blanket sanctions are never a good idea, but I do believe sanctions applied to specific areas (weapons, for example) or behaviors (diplomatic sanctions) can have a good effect. It's never good to sanction food or medicine.  In essence, a sanction is a reverse boycott of a nation, which seems to be within the rights of another nation.  It would be nice if more nations would sanction us for our weapons. But I suppose that's a subject for another day.


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That's more like it? They've been urging peace and dialogue for months. (0.00 / 0)

China is not 'intervening', it's offering to help with its diplomatic services and so on. My gawd, weapons, lies, and Al Qaeda operatives intervening on one side, and China offering to help set up negotiations on the other, I guess there's equivalency there, both sides are 'intervening' after all.

The U.S./Western sanctions that exist in the real world are brutal, designed to impoverish Syria, which of course helps generate pressure for an internal revolt. Because that is the purpose of regime change sanctions.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Go figure - Avaaz also called for a no fly zone in Libya (MoveOn.org funded) (0.00 / 0)
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