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The Roots of Leftier Than Thouism

by: socrates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 at 20:24:50 PM EST


George Harrison- Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth)

Many have wondered how I became such a groovy, free-spirited peacenik. Until recently, I was incapable of providing an answer. On November 17th, 2011 a friend channeling the High Goddess revealed all. I am an idealist dreamer.

socrates :: The Roots of Leftier Than Thouism
General estimates place the percentage of INFP's at 1-2% of the population. Others claim the number is closer to 5%. Either way, there are not that many of us. First things first. What is an INFP?

Noted intellectual Carl Jung devised a theory on personality. He came up with a formula which later transformed into classifying each of us into one of sixteen categories.

Now before anyone starts moaning this sounds like Cookie Cutting 101, I beg to disagree. One should hold back such preconceived notions, until one has thoroughly looked into personality theory.  

I, for one, believe Jung was a genius who came up with something spectacular. While astrology seemingly makes a lot of sense on many levels, imho, the science of the cosmos is nowhere near as relevant compared to Jung's personality theory. The latter is much more effective in providing a personal key for one to unlock her or his own inner nature.  

Personality theory is broken down into sixteen groupings based on permutations of four different one or the other traits we each possess. I'm an INFP. That acronym spelled out is "Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving."

The opposite of that would be ESTJ or "Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging."

For those who want to find out what group they are in go to this link and TAKE IT NOW! Scroll down and click on "Basic Personality Type Test." Afterward, you can check out this page for further info.

To be a true leftier than thou, one needn't be an introvert. ENFPs also possess the personality trait consisting of idealism. We are the only two which do. Putting extraverts to the side, I decided to isolate variables intuitive (N), feeling (F), and perceiving(P) in order to understand what makes an INFP an idealist or say utopian. Here are my findings:  

INFJ: similar but anal retentive.

INTP: similar but inaccessible know-it-alls.

ISFP: similar but lack the abilty to reflect and take action.

In short, my child-like curiosity got me wondering why INFPs and ENFPs are the only two of the sixteen who possess an ability to sincerely care about saving the planet. It's not that I belittle those from the other fourteen personality groups who are essentially posing when displaying such sentiments. I do want them to keep on keeping on being wonderful and delightful for the benefit of humanity.

My conclusion is that not one of the three variables can be touted as the main reason why INFPs possess such incredible warmth and soul. It appears that all three traits work symbiotically to instill in idealist dreamers that which makes us soooo much more adorable in profound ways to the rest of ye.

From the second link above, here is a little bit describing INFPs:


Quiet, reflective, and idealistic. Interested in serving humanity. Well-developed value system, which they strive to live in accordance with. Extremely loyal. Adaptable and laid-back unless a strongly-held value is threatened. Usually talented writers. Mentally quick, and able to see possibilities. Interested in understanding and helping people.

Click here for a detailed description of INFP.


And here are some famous INFPs:


Aldous Huxley, author


Audrey Hepburn, actress


Princess Diana, Princess of Wales


Helen Keller, activist and author


William Shakespeare

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Laura doesn't play fair (0.00 / 0)
Fakey gets another of his blog messes placed front and at the top. This masterpiece will probably end up collecting dust in the archives.

Your "troll" saga is retarded. Sorry. (4.00 / 6)
I honestly don't know where you people get the energy to write the same six or seven phrases ad infinitum, but it reads as "retarded", whether or not there is a core truth involved(which still has not been proven). I actually did read "Aaron Worthing's" filing and it comes off as unhinged as well( unhinged enough for DT to find utter delight in, ie promote, might I add). He even includes his whiny Everyone Draw Mohammed saga as if that's going to fucking matter to any judge. I mean come on. There were a few more whiny inanities within but I really can't be bothered to specify further.

Admit it dude, like deedog said - embrace it. Your troll schtick melts down to guilt by association to whatever minor slight you've deemed "The Con". And then there's the chemtrails of course.

It's just tiresome dude. And you do have your own blog, in which you can frontpage yourself silly.

Really the only thing I've felt at any point is pity for you - but my ounce of pity is wothless up against the legions of sadistic enablers and petty political operatives who've injected themselves into your fantasy grudges, so fuckit.

There. I've dedicated too much time to this even in typing this comment. I wish you luck in court, you'll need it at some point. If any ethical lawyers were on "your side" they'd tell you to plead insanity.


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Thanks, sweetpea (3.00 / 2)
There was no way to rate your post. It wasn't boring. But you are still way not having a clue about the significance of this story on many levels. I just so happen to be in the middle of it. So sue me. Ugh, on second thought, please don't.

Thanks for front paging this new Carl Jung inspired diary. It has absolutely nothing to do with the other story.

I don't need any luck. I do appreciate you wishing me well. It's ok, Laura. I kicked ass on November 14th. If anyone is in some serious trouble, it's Brett Kimberlin, not me.

I agree Aaron Worthing isn't the most exciting writer. And I don't agree with most of what he believes with politics. But I am grateful to him and others for standing up for my human and constitutional rights that some strange bomber and perjurer is trying to destroy. The key point, one that I see donkeytale has written on in Troll Wars V already posted at firedoglake is this. Sometimes a story has nothing to do with right versus left politics. On the surface it does in regards to Brad Friedman versus Andrew Breitbart. But in reality and bottom line, it doesn't.

The big story is that some out of control fabulist is trying to manipulate courts to stifle my free speech. I busted his and BradBlog's ridiculous Michael Connell hoax and much more junk those two have peddled. As Worthing and now donkeytale have promoted, that man has elevated my status. I am humble, so I am trying to keep my yapper shut about how great and wonderful I am.

God bless the audience


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Laura offers up her piety to you. How nice of her. What she does here (5.00 / 1)
is equivalent to judging a book she hasnt read (the Metafiction of Team Breitbart versus Team Numbnuts).

The fact that she did read Worthings filing and terms it "hysterical" proves what I already suspected, that she is a naif who hasn't had any contact with the work of lawyers and legal filings. Or much else of reality, except the dead white culture of European Opera.

What Worthing wrote was typical, but a very, uh worthy,  example of legal writing. The idea is to pile on your opponent using fact, legal precedent and knowledge of legal precepts to the point of redundancy, ad nauseum, to bury your opponent. To a naif, that seems hysterical. To someone who has wasted years of his life in courts, both criminal and civil, that seems much more like a "pwning" of the Speedway Bomber. It was really excellent writing from that standpoint, thorough and connective of all dots.

It was a truly remarkabale moment for Socrates and nothing less than a Dickensian plot twist, to receive this legal manna from heaven from an obviously expert attorney.

Part of the legal "piling on" too was that Worthing was doing the work on behalf of Scorates that he failed to do for himself initially to offer a belated defense against the "defamation" charges in the original lawsuit.

Kimberlin, who, one should never forget, initiated this process in the first place. So, at least for once, Socrates can rightfully claim the victim mantle, which is why he is looking so holy and noble. He was born to be a victim and Kimberlin made a mistake, IMHO, in casting him in that role.

Kimberlin's supporters then compounded the error by going out of their way to publicise and pile on Socrates after the November default judgment. In so doing, they relegated Socrates from "victim" to "martyr" status, inviting backlash and public ridicule of them, even if it was part of their strategy to post such garbage simply to get Socrates to respond so Kimberlin could then file motions for contempt.

Which is what I think happened.

This is a major online kerfluffle, whether Laura wishes to recognise it or not. The fact that she doesn't recognise it indicates even moreso that it is significant. Like her pet monkey, when she says "up" the truth is almost certainly "down."

As you have noted, Rauhauser's involvement in your saga is also most interesting, as was the recent (now whitewalled) mea culpa at FDL by good his buddy Chet Uber, of Project Vigilant fame. Project Vigilant vindicates Socrates long held view that the internet is rigged but his significance is so much greater in general.

If for no other reason, Fake Lefties like Laura and Reft should take notice that Uber was the one who advised Adrian Lamo to rat out Bradley Manning. See the connections, loosers? Of course, you don't. That's why you are loosers.

And the fact that Worthing got pro bono legal assistance from ACORN's attorneys is the ultimate rioutouis!

Since, as Kimberlin states, he and his business partner Brad Friedman worked on ACORN-related "issues," gaining donations in the process. I wonder if they used any of those donations to help, y'know, pay for ACORN's defense?

If they did so, or provided some other assistance to ACORN, and offer up documentary proof, then that would go along way to making them look holier than thou, at least in my eyes.

Surely, it would bolster their case in the court of whiteyspheric opinion, and probably even in the Maryland court.


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God you are stupid (2.50 / 2)
first of all the ad nauseum/finitum whatever was in reference to socrates and you, not "Aaron Worthing". But of course that's just your typical twising of things and not really the "strong" point of your argument, which seems to be that I don't know how the big grown up boy world of The Law operates. If you think "Aaron Worthing's" filing is anything more than hysterical twattery then you've only prven yourself the naif...see what too much Perry Mason and Matlock can do to a boomer brain? LOL.

It's really pointless to give examples of how retarded the filing was from my view since the whole thing was pure GARBAGE, but why don't you give examples of

fact, legal precedent and knowledge of legal precepts

that were so compelling(beyond getting the basic architecture of a legal motion correct). Fucking riotous man. Sometimes I wish it was stil the old you, just goofing off, but it seems like you're starting to really believe this shit. Is it all a distraction from the lowering cloud of subconcious ennui that ends in you pulling the lever for the odious Obama again? (whom you still can't admit is more of a right winger than yourself)

Anyway if I were to grant any status to the filing, it would be as an amateurish personal injury atty type CYA motion, actually more damning to socrates(due to the parroting of his own catch phrases) than to "Teh Speedway Bomber"; and the heart of which is completely irrelevant and will likely be ignored by anyone in authority. Even if they were to look into his complaints of potential "death threats" from scary Islamists they'd find that the site that originally set all these rightwinger's hair on fire was totally fake and had ZERO following(the South PArk criticism site ran by a recently converted muslim Jewish weirdo kid, or worse and more likely, a paid provocateur).

Then the following stuff he adds about socrates (the extraneous vanity part, ie the other 8,432 pages) is pure convoluted fluff. Add a little Patterico clan name-dropping with more related CYA and voila, look at how many trees had to die for nothing. If I had to make a guess the judge took one look at that nonsense and told BK to back off of his pointless summons - since "Aaron Worthing" is also a fucking crackpot incompetent.  

I'll concede that BK is overly litigious in the face of overwheming crackpot hysteria...yes, he is at fault for that. But not much else. Did you listen to the famous audio Donkey? The judge obviously did feel sorry for socrates, but not in the way you shitheads have been saying, to me he sounded like he was trying to keep everything OT and protect soc from going off on crazy tangents instead of following protocol - the part that stood out was the Judge interrupting soc as he was rambling about something or other; "Listen...", then Soc; "Balh Blah blah", Judge;"No, you're really going to want to listen to this...".

You know the part.

Like I said before, or maybe I didn't...this is not a gotcha case for either side. If I were a judge I'd fucking dress all sides down and tell them to gtfo. This is not on par with other internet defamation/free speech cases. It just isn't. Neither side is worth the fucking paper wasted already. That any of this went so far in the first place is proof that this country's legal system is in the sewer, as if we needed any more proof.

I didn't read the rest of your comment because it's the same old same old - I did see you metion Lamo though, and try to tie some op or other to him. Who FUCKING CARES?!! Lamo is a junkie narc who's been working for the gov for at least a decade, WHO FUCKING CARES WHO HIS HANDLERS ARE? Everyone knows the whole shit is rigged. Just like everyone knew Dailykos was, years before DFQ flamed out about it and was, er, rather ill-received by those already in the know.

God this is so depressing and fucking pointless. Is that what gives a bored sociopath's battery a charge? Are you a bored sociopath donkey?

Fucking Lame-Brains. I'm going out to work in the garden.


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Hope you feel better after taking that dump. But your pile of feces only proves one thing: (5.00 / 1)
That you are shit for brains.

[:o)

If YOU DIDNT CARE YOU WOULDNT HAVE WASTED YOUR TIME ON THE WORTHING FILING OR ON THE ILLEGALLY POSTED, HEAVILY EDITED TO MAKE SOCRATES LOOK BAD AUDIO.

OK, caplock off.

Admit it Laura, you like this saga just as much as anybody else does. Just be honest about it for once.

But, yeah, working in the garden is excellent therapy for twisted souls. I spent all day yesterday working in my "Perfect Lawn," myself.



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Well I did play a little catch up (3.00 / 2)
but I most certainly did NOT read the entire filing, of course, since many pages were obviously repetetive, and the website I clicked on withthat audio took all of 5 minutes from my life. If that's "liking" the saga I guess I'm guilty but the only thing I find interesting about it is the many multiple tentacles of its retardation, and of course, by you, who seem to be genuinely entertained by other people's misfortune. But then I guess I always knew that about you. Question is, have you always been like that? I think back to all of your folksy tales about seducing your half-wit secretaries and come to a pretty grim conclusion. So bai 4 now, shite 4 braines.

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So what you're saying is that I am multi-faceted, on the cutting-edge of Meta Fiction ARG, and you are frustrated that (5.00 / 1)
you can't pin me down to some linear meme chain in your mind?

I work with what interests me. Socrates has been sued and smeared unconcsionably, IMHO.

Is it that hard for you to figure out that I am telling his side of the story in objective terms, since my rendering of the objective reality clearly favours him and that I wish to see justice served?

You can criticise my rhetoric and choice of subject matter all you want. I'm fair game. But you are off-base by a country mile wrt my motivation. Although yes, this story is entertaining, without doubt.

But, then why deny it before you confirmed it, whether "retarded" or not? Instead of lashing out, perhaps you should examine some of your own inconsistencies? You don't have to bravely write about them, as, ahem, some of us are willing to do. Anonymously, of course (which is the point of so much of this saga).

PS. Dont worry. There will be more folksy tales forthcoming. Its not that easy to do, you understand, and it doesnt come automatically, like a Fairleft masterpiece, for instance.

If it was, everybody would be Mark Twain Twat.


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There's so much wrong with Laura's post to even bother (0.00 / 0)
Worthy Worthington is a Yale graduated attorney. Laura Johan is some twisted Joooo hating left wooed by right bimbo. Who you gonna believe? In fact, she's better off sticking to her minimalist approach. When she goes chatter box style, nearly every time it turns into a train wreck.



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Guess I should add, though I SHOULDNT HAVE TO (3.00 / 2)
that Lamo wasn't just randomly chatting with Manning... this was all a set up from the begininng, which makes Uber or whoever the fuck "the guy' was who advised Lamo to "turn him in" even more irrelevaant - and likely just a fall guy for the Official Story Line. Lamo's JOB was to entrap Manning in a plausibly deniable way as per usual of the US gov. FFS, people, think!

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Very good LJ, you are now drawing a straight-line between your paranoid CT mentality, Chet Uber, (5.00 / 1)
and "What Really Happened," in the Lamo case.

Its a much smarter theory for you to hold that the govt needs plausible deniability wrt entrapping Manning. That makes Uber highly relevant, in this case.

http://www.examiner.com/techno...

Mark Rasch, Project Vigilant's general counsel, was indeed the Director of DoJ cybercrimes unit during the Bush Admin.

Lamo's conversations with Manning have always looked more like the coached questions of someone trying to elicit already-suspected details than the mutual boasting of two hackers. Because of that and because of the inconsistencies and flimsiness of the Project Vigilant story, PV all looked more like a cover story for why Lamo would narc out Bradley Manning than an accurate story. And Uber's email here and his DefCon press conference may well be publicity stunts. But then, that's what Aaron Barr's research on Anonymous was supposed to be: a widely publicized talk designed to bring new business. But a key part of the PV story was the claim that Adrian Lamo had volunteered with the group working on "adversary characterization."
.....
One more thing. Consider what DOJ has been doing since the time Lamo turned in Manning and now: asking social media providers for detailed information about a network of people associated with Wikileaks. That is, DOJ appears to have been doing with additional legal tools precisely what Barr was doing with public sources.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake....



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Your point? (3.00 / 2)
Or are we just going over the obvious again?

I guess if one only read the acceptable sources this all looks really juicy.

(The problem is that the gov waited too long to concoct their story, as if they felt like it wouldn't be necessary. It hurt their credibility sure, but with who? You? People who can't imagine the gov would use pliant narcs to entrap whistleblowers? People who cant see the fingers on their own hands?)


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I 'm only doing what the whiteysphere was meant for, and you are blaming me for it (5.00 / 1)
Amplification. Its part of the story. Sure, its old news, but the unresolved conflicts of the past are still relevant today and if these conflicts remain unresolved they will become the Orwellian nightmare of the future..

Meanwhile, you sit back smugly in your all-knowingness of such matters, doing nothing and saying nothing with your superiour knowledge while good people like Manning and Socrates (and who knows who else past/present/future...maybe me or you?) are railroaded by the PTB/criminal justice system for speaking the truth.

And worse, you castigate those who are willing to speak out and defend those who do speak out, calling them "retarded" and "insane" among other invectives.

Got it.    


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You have hit the nail on the schadenfraunde (0.00 / 0)


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Laura is sooo slow on the uptake (0.00 / 0)
Uber worked with Neal Rauhauser who has been masterminding the cybersmears on myself and the porn expert. So basically we are one degree away from the Wikileaks scandal, yet for some idiotic reason this numbnut can't see the relevance. Wow just wowsies. Laura is sooooo boring

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Another holy post by donkeytale (5.00 / 1)
I couldn't have written that better, even if we were the same person as others have claimed.

I may be able to crank out a new pontweetification the next day or two. Ron Brynaert continues to post some of the most idiotic garbage ever printed by a self-proclaimed journalist. He says I am infamous for having tons of sock puppets and staging fake fights. Yet as usual there is no proof.

This thing should take a new twist tomorrow. Though the hearing is only scheduled for a half hour. I predict the thing gets extended, or God willing, Judge Ruppster the Magnificent will dismiss the new nonsense and recommend a criminal investigation of the Speedway Bomber. I don't care if if Kimberlin believes 95% of the delusions he spews. I'm done being a punching bag. Unless Rupp wants to be the next f**f***f***, he'll pick up his game.

And of course there is still the November 14th court audio to get the transcript up on line. What Worthy Worthington came up with was only the tip of the Perry Mason iceberg.



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Are you schtupping into the ring yourself, tomorrow, champ, or letting "your people" handle the festivities? (5.00 / 1)
Laura might like this tune, although there isn't much dead white kultur in it...she's good people, soc, don't let the ugliness on the surface dissuade you.

Did I tell you that when I lived in Boston during the 70s-80s I was thoroughly into the jazz/R&B fusion thingie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


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I'm not sure what's up with tomorrow (4.50 / 2)
I was supposed to be given personal service by December 20th but never was. I sent my motions in. They should have arrived by around Wednesday but haven't been posted yet. It's only a half hour session for probable cause or something. I think if you can wait a day or two, there should be a lot more info pouring out. As for tomorrow, I'll give the court a ringy dingy and see if we can set something up for me to be present. I will want those bastards to pay for the call, but like with most courts, they are basically full of shit. Maybe Judge Rupp the Magnificent will prevent more egg from flying on that court's face.

I have a new schtick lined up in the output can on Brynaert. But it's really nothing too important. I think going over the November 14th court audio should be quite delightfully entertaining for public consumption.

Man, I thought it was cool there was a Weinergate connection. But this new revelation about a Wikileak one to go with Rauhauser's past nonsense in regards to harassing TeaNuts is get out of townish hilarity.

And what about the porn expert being swatted and apparently Patterico was too? Methinks Team Numbnuts is in a heap of trouble.

Yes, on the Jazz-RB thingie. That's impressive. Your stature as an internet legend has grown exponentially. Sure, it helped for you to have insider connections to this new top of the zeitgeist story, but we go into the war with the army we have. I think it's really cool that you were a draft dodger. Your pro-prisoner rights schtick is extra groovy too. You've also been vindicated, Uncle Donkeytale. You're like the Tommy Chong of the internet if he wasn't so baked.

This smiley's for you, bro.



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Yeah, karma lends a whole new meaning to>>>> (5.00 / 1)
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ENTP (5.00 / 1)
I always felt like those personality tests were a bit like horoscopes in how they 'sound exactly like me' though half the other results also 'sound exactly like me'.

Anyway, the Speedway Bomber couldn't believe 1%,let alone 95% of the things he says.  He must have a hell of a game face, but he's just a sociopath.  He doesn't believe any of it.  He knows he was a murder suspect.  He knows he was convicted of the bombings.  He knows he made up the exoneration.  He knows he had parole revoked.  He is not confused at all about any of it.

He just thinks, like Qritiq, that because he 'did his time' he shouldn't suffer with criticism for the outrageous things he's done (ignore the fact he actually did not do his time for every crime he's committed, nor did he pay all the judgments against him).

Good luck with the new judge.  I can't imagine what he thought (or will think) when he encountered this mess for the first time.  

Aaron is a very smart man, and he's particularly quick on his feet.  And most importantly, I don't think he's going to be provoked into making mistakes.  I expect good things tomorrow.


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That sounds like you, Dustin (5.00 / 1)
Extraverted, intuitive, Thinking, Perceptive.

I know for myself, the analysis of INFP is spot on. I knew I was an idealist dreamer even before taking the test. That's what I am. I've known I was a sensitive bloke since age 10ish. I'd say introverted feeling is my strong suit. Then with intuition and perception out comes writing ability. I've always been a save the planet kind of dude, period. We do exist. I'm sure you've all met some of us. Sure, there are posers like fairleft. Some of us actually have our heads in the utopic skies.

As to being an introvert, I didn't know that until November 17th. It was quite a shocker. I have basically been an introvert fooling myself and the world I am extraverted. It happens.

You're correct on Kimberlin being aware of at least some of those lies. But there could be something else going on. I just saw the movie A Beautiful Mind. I think there could be a lot of that going on here too, except without the beautiful part.

One thing that has become obvious is Ron Brynaert is an utter scumbag always willing to post lies with no proof. He says I am infamous for using sock puppets and staging fake blog fights. It's not true. Fuck him and his psychosis or ability to be a sadistic fuck with no remorse. Brynaert is the kinda douchebag who enabled Nazi Germany to rise. For real. He's a downright pig and nasty.

Ron Brynaert is one of the nastiest people in the world, imho. He's gotta be getting paid to write disinfo or is clearly schizophrenic. One or the fucking other.

Yes, Aaron is very smart and a real attorney.


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"Ron Brynaert is one of the nastiest people in the world, imho." (5.00 / 1)
Damn straight.  He is straight up setting out to smear as many people as possible.

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well (5.00 / 1)
"He even includes his whiny Everyone Draw Mohammed saga as if that's going to fucking matter to any judge."

That and a few other comments seemed like he was simply adding on additional arguments.

It's just methodical.  Once you read the facts and law on the most serious parts of the motion, the lesser arguments obviously seem less satisfying and powerful, but just in case the best arguments do not work out, he's making sure he's brought every argument he has.

But it's a powerful motion.  He offers the right authority and even proves a fraud against the court.  He shows powerful interests in his motion and undermines the interests in the Speedway Bomber's.  And there's more, but I'll see how it plays out before I spill a bean.

Aaron isn't a petty political operative.  He's not a sadistic enabler.  He was drug into this for reasons that are unclear.  He's a nice guy who doesn't deserve to be drug into whatever Brett's plan is (I admit I do not understand it).  But then, the same could be said of Carl Delong.

It may sound whiny to you for someone to discuss all their reasons for wanting to be safe and have their secrets remain safe, particularly someone who needs the protection of the Americans with Disabilities Act, but I suspect the judge will take these concerns seriously.

"Your troll schtick melts down to guilt by association "

You're going to have to spell this one out for me.  Socrates was simply criticizing a con man's outrageous behavior.  What's not to criticize about setting bombs and being convicted of perjury?


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My diary didn't waste words and had an original take. (2.50 / 2)

Try it. You might learn it's hard and you might also learn some stuff about yourself.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Your diary had an original take alright, it confused an authoritarian, right wing anti- democratic maneuvre with democracy. (5.00 / 1)
Oh wait, thats not original, that's purely old school, fascist propaganda of the sort you frequently try to fob off as "leftism."  Yes, and the Nazis had the word "socialist" in their name, too. They were "nationalists" also, big believers in economic sovereignty. They ignored the Versailles Treaty reparations, and rightfully (haha) so.

So no, dude, this isn't original thinking. Hitler thought of your schtick well before you did.

Your diary can be considered original only in the same way a sentence typed by a chimpanzee would also be considered original.

If you want to say that the Hungarians or all nations should walk away from their foreign debt, fine. I know you already believe (stupidly) that one size fits Argentina. If you want to say that central banks should be democratically chosen, explain what you mean by that, exactly. Elections?

But when you hold up a decidedly un-democratic, authoritarian takeover by a conservative political party as "democratic" and then say your 1930s backward/rightward thinking is "original,"  you deserve all the abuse that can be heaped upon you, Mr. Orwell's Unrelenting Fascist Nightmare.


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He's probably a paid fake (4.00 / 2)
You don't want to hear it, but he shows all the signs.

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if he is his bosses arent getting their money's worth (4.50 / 2)
His schtick is easier to swat than flies on a donkey's tail.

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Hey, I know how to play the game. (4.00 / 1)
I'm thinking of starting a smiley schtick. I knew that laughing demon would ensure at least a four rating despite your general disagreement with the paid fake schtick. By the way, it was nice to see Aaron Worthing give you major props on one of his most recent entries. You are trending very well. Bravissimo.

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Just be aware, that as the President of Pffugeestan's Central Ratings Bank (5.00 / 1)
I have been engaged in an aggressive round of ratings inflation during the Holidays in order to combat potentially severe blogger(manic) depression.

Now, however, I am ordering a round of quantitative easing in order stave off excessive blogger ego inflation.


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Why do you oppose democratic control over banks? (3.00 / 2)

Do you seriously think private banks should control a nation's central bank, and therefore its monetary policy?

It's a simple and clear question, but you refuse to answer it, instead deciding to argue with no one matters that don't relate to the question.

And yeah, it was a short diary, cuz you can't say much more than democracy is good, democratic control over central banks is good. Why would the opposite of democracy be good? If your favored WSJ source has something to say on this, blockquote it.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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I dont oppose democratic control of central banks (4.00 / 1)
Never said that nor implied it. I asked you to explain what you meant by democratic control of central banks, because your Hungarian example is the opposite of democratic, MrM Orwell's Unrelenting Fascist Nightmare.

I strongly oppose rightwing authoritarian govt takeovers of central banks along with the rest of the govt.

That's what I said, that's what Krugman said and that's what Kim Lane Scheppele said on Krugman's blog at his behest. I pointed out that time after time you support rightwing authoritarian govts and use weasel words and Orwellian speech like calling "fascism" "democracy".

Orban's so called stimulus? QE. Haha. Guess who gains from that stimulus? According to you yourself, its the banks. Why do you believe a rightwing capitalist controlled govt in Hungary won't simply use the central bank to further enrich rightwing capitalists?

I like that you never quit when behind but instead just go on burying yourself with dishonesty.

Too easy, dude. Up your game or I'm demoting you.


[ Parent ]
So you believe it should be "the role of the IMF and the EU to defend 'Central Banks for the Bankers!'??" (0.00 / 0)

I'm quoting from the second sentence of my diary. It is pretty hard to misinterpet the point. Whose side are you on and here are your choices:

1. Central Banks for private Bankers to control
2. Central Banks for their democratically elected governments to control



For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
You really should ask the same banal question of your latest rightwing strongman idol Orban (0.00 / 0)
since I already explicitly stated I prefer a democratically controlled central bank, which Hungary's was but now isn't (by virtue of Fidesz "nazification" as even Laura admits), even though you hilariously claim it wasn't democratically chosen before when it actually was, and try to claim under Orban's coup that it now is democratically controlled when it actually is fascistically controlled, Mr. Orwell's Unrelenting Fascist Nightmare.

RIOTOUS!

Since I've already anwered your silly theoretical question twice (I also believe in good over evil, if you want another controversial opinion), you should really ask Orban about his real-life choices upon which you based your diary, but try removing his dick from your mouth first so he can understand you.

Because he, at least in your really stupid, twisted false spin on what is actually happening in Hungary, just gave in to the EU and IMF "and defended the central bank for the bankers" by declaring his central banker independent and stating publicly how he very much wants to get a deal made with the IMF/EU to keep his country's debt floating. In so doing, he completely invalidated the supposed "proof" underlying the poorly formulated and weaselly worded thesis of your diary.

For the audience, my answers to whether I prefer a democratically controlled central bank or not are contained in the comment directly above Fairleft's comment directly above this one also here:

http://www.pffugeecamp.com/sho...

No, I don't believe private bankers should control central banks (0.00 / 0)
But this is where you can't separate the "two thoughts" you and your fellow Einstein Laura hold:
Anyway, what do you have against governments controlling their central banks

By your belief, then, any govt whether democratic or not, can control their central banks. Sure, thats an incredibly banal statement of fact. This is already the case in all countries of which I am aware, including the US and Hungary.

The fundamental issue that your poorly executed diary ignores is that "he who controls the govt controls the banks". What that means is that if the bankers (or capitalist corporations) control the govt and the Govt controls the central bank, then the bankers control the Central bank.

Correct, I dont disagree that is what is happening in the US and the EU (in fact has happend for all time AKA "the rich rule the poor"), and furthermore, I don't see at all that this reality has changed at all in Hungary, where Fidesz, a righwting capitalist Party controls the govt, including the central bank and is seeking to consolidate that control in perpetuity by rightwing, capitalist interests (the very textbook definition of fascism, BTW).

That is why you cant ever separate the "two thoughts."

BTW, a halfwit holding "two thoughts" still only equals one thought.

[:o)

PS. The fact that the Hungarian premier relented right after you posted your diary is the same that you are denying my point about Krugman. You, as usual, want to have it both ways.

Its also another clear example of your lack of prescience.

The only realistic way for Hungary to renounce its foreign debts is to renounce capitalism. That isnt going to happen under Fidesz, for sure.

Hence, Orban capitulated.

End of story. But keep arguing if you want. You just look dumb and dumber.




[ Parent ]
IMPORTANT KIMBERLIN UPDATE (4.50 / 2)
An inside source has confirmed that Speedway Bomber's ridiculous attempts to have me charged with contempt have been an EPIC FAILURE. Top of the Zeitgeist status thus remains in effect for myself and donkeytale. Them's that apples, Team Numbnuts. You FATFUCKINGFACES!!!!!!!

[ Parent ]
Thank goodness (5.00 / 1)
I was actually pretty worried you were going to jail, which would have been such an atrocious outcome for telling the freaking truth about someone who just happens to have exploited the legal system.

But...


[ Parent ]
Dustin, I wasn't worried one bit (0.00 / 0)
Though stranger things have happened. I personally thought the thing would roll over to a next date. There are some things I'd like to add but want to wait 'til things settle down. I'll try to clarify more in my next response to donkeytale. Hey Dustin, you're making a fine addition to the sewer. And unlike Daily Kos, you needn't be a fake lefty to post here. You can even vote Republican.

[ Parent ]
Champ, can you clarify your statement here for the assembled members of the presscorps? (5.00 / 1)
Are you saying that both civil and criminal motions against you were denied by the court?

What about the injunction? Was Worthing's request to have it removed considered? If so, what was the outcome?


[ Parent ]
This is the problem with double secret classified info (4.00 / 1)
We at Team Breitbart would love to share with you all that happened. But we are still conferring, confabbing, and considering all the confabulations and conflatings. Tonight I am flying in to Andrew's mansion for wine, cheese, and a roundtable discussion. People assume there are only four or five of us. No. I am just one of 1,245 Team Breibart employees who seeks to do his or her part in establishing the New World Order.

From what I know, it appears all Kimberlin efforts were swatted down in short order.

The thing about a so-called injunction is this. There is none! There is, but it's the equivalent of telling me I can't do what anyone else can't do. Judge Jordan is a rookie judge who used to chase ambulances. That will make complete sense, once the Nov. 14th audio is finally socratised.

As for Mr. Worthing, I'd suggest keeping an eye on his blog and asking him questions pertaining to him. It's not my place to reveal anything he may or may not shared with me. I can neither confirm nor deny anything. [/Sergeant Schultz]  


[ Parent ]
if you run into Hef at the party tell him "Donk says hi" (5.00 / 1)
And he still owes me for servicing his ex Barbie Benton for him back in '70.

Republicans throw the best parties. Plenty of booze, good weed and exclnt blow, with an ample supply of fuckable, airheade pussy swinging about. Just act like you are rich...no on second thought you are a celebrity now, so just do waht you feel.

And in the morning, in true GOP staring straight into the Fox news camera style, tell them thanks for memories, but you are all about family values and right to life (the latter necessary if you forgot to pack your sheaths).


[ Parent ]
As long as I don't get stuck with Ann Coulter, it's all good (0.00 / 0)
There are still some loose ends to tie. Maybe I should speed up the process by which to share what happened at the Nov. 14th hearing. Brett Kimberlin is insane, and Judge Jordan is incompetent. Brad Friedman of BradBlog and Velvet Revolution is one of the biggest internet parasites of all time. People peddling hoaxes to generate major donation totals are scumbags, PERIOD. I hope folks aren't forgetting what this story was really about. It was about confidence men getting exposed. Sure Brett Kimberlin should be locked up in an asylum. That's obvious. There was never any exoneration, and he recently committed fraud while harassing me. In the meantime, Brad Friedman should be investigated for major fraud. There must be a law against what he's been doing since late 2004. I wonder how Lori Grace feels nowadays about such assholes stealing her money.

[ Parent ]
Meant perjury not fraud (0.00 / 0)
Meant perjury not fraud for Kimberlin needing to be locked up. Though fraud is a good description of the shit he unleashed in the court throughout the years on the internet. He's a total nutjob.

[ Parent ]
Champ, can you clarify your statement here for the assembled members of the presscorps? (2.00 / 1)
Are you saying that both civil and criminal motions against you were denied by the court?

What about the injunction? Was Worthing's request to have it removed considered? If so, what was the outcome?


[ Parent ]
unlike failreft, I only require you to answer the same question once (5.00 / 1)
(:o)

[ Parent ]
I rated the top one boring (3.00 / 1)
That's what double posts deserve.

[ Parent ]
hey, gimme a brake! (5.00 / 1)
Do you know how difficult it is to drive in the rain, post comments from a cell phone and fend off fairloughner's ongoing idiocy all while maintaing world class standards of blogging excellence and at same time rolling a doob with the other hand, cradling a Guinness Extra btwn my legs and steering with my knee?

Well, ok, smacking down Roughner is like cruzing on autopilot, but the rest has degree of difficulty attached.
(:o)


[ Parent ]
Dust92 just got called out by Noom for a rating (0.00 / 0)
Touchy aren't we all? I know what you mean, though. The degree of difficulty fighting back at trolls ain't much of a challenge these days.

I thought you were gonna be mad at me for not having more info on the Brett "Speedway Bomber" Kimberlin update. Or for going too far with the smiley schtick. Or for blowing our cover working for Team Breitbart.

And please be careful drinking and driving. It's those who don't know how to do that who ruin it for the rest of us. Plus, you don't want to lose your license or worse.


[ Parent ]
Whats a " license?" (5.00 / 1)
(:o)

[ Parent ]
MAJOR KIMBERLIN UPDATE PART 2 (5.00 / 1)
As a Red Sox fan, I've learned not to jinx things. Nonetheless, check what's finally showing up on the case record.

Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 116
Docket Description: MOTION, DISMISS
Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
Docket Text: DEFENDANT, [SOCRATES'] MOTION TO DISMISS CASE #339254V AND REPORT BRETT KIMBERLIN TO PROPER AUTHORITIES FOR COMMITING PERJURY TO THIS COURT, FILED. (LP)

Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 117
Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
Docket Text: DEFENDANT, [SOCRATES'] MOTION TO ALLOW DEFENDANT TO TESTIFY TELEPHONICALLY AT THE 01/09/2012 HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 10:00 A.M. FILED. (LP)

Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 118
Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
Docket Text: DEFENDANT, [SOCRATES'] MOTION TO REVERSE DEFAULT JUDGMENT, DISMISS CASE AS FRIVOLOUS AND AWARD DEFENDANT [SOCRATES'] $100,000.00 OR ANY OTHER AMOUNT THIS COURT DEEMS APPROPRIATE, FILED. (LP)

Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 119
Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
Docket Text: DEFENDANT, [SOCRATES'] MOTION TO DECLARE BRETT KIMBERLIN AS A PUBLIC FIGURE RATHER THAN PRIVATE CITIZEN, FILED. (LP)



[ Parent ]
A revelation for adolescents but not so much for adults. (3.00 / 2)

Anyway, I'm an INFP too so based on my little survey (you and me, 100%) I imagine they are much more common than 1-2% of the population. OTOH, I'm half-betting you are not in fact an INFP but just another wanna be, or are pushing this 'aspect' of your blognality for your usually admirable committed troll purposes.


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

If you're an INFP, my aunt has balls. (5.00 / 1)
You're uneducated, Fairleft. You can't take your own "little survey."  

You're a freaking idiot. There can't be too many INFPs, since introverts are 25% of the population with 8 different categories.

I'm not going to socratise what personality type you are, because you are irrelevant as an internet presence. I do know that INFPs are usually good writers and sensitive. It's not looking good for you, bro.

What you really are is an MFNP: A meathead from the neck up. Now stifle it.



[ Parent ]
I just snorted cheerios and Guinness Extra thru my nose! (5.00 / 1)
R.I.O.T.O.U.S.S.!

But give him a break, as we already learned with her tens of thousands equals five hundred thousand, math skills are not Karen's strong suit.

Odd, since she's a chemistry teacher.


[ Parent ]
That's a good point (3.00 / 1)
I didn't see his claim to teach chemistry. One would expect a scientist to comprehend basic math.  

As for me, I am about to prepare some sort of soup concoction. Afterward, I still have a few Mikey's hard lemonades left.

Some may question my manliness for drinking such a drinkie. However, as a true leftier than thou and metrosexual, I have no problemo drinking chick booze. Though I'm still working on getting over my shame of wearing pink shirts.

And another thing, I, oops got someone on the phone, Ok, I gotta go.


[ Parent ]
Soc, a true believer in the mighty INFP! (2.00 / 1)

Okay, mebbe permanent teenagers might benefit from doing that psych test too. Go for it soc, hope you get a good 'score'.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
You forgot the projection alert (0.00 / 0)
permanent teenagers

Actually, my 17 year old son exhibits a much more facile ability to argue his social/political/economic worldview than do you.

And his worldview is far more intelligent than yours, as well.

Your ability is more along the lines of "petulant 8 year old."

RIOTOUS!


[ Parent ]
soc can defend himself, see below, stop treating him like a child (2.00 / 1)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
You act as if you are worth responding to (3.00 / 1)
What you need is a time out.

[ Parent ]
I was defending you from 'tale the smothering mother (0.00 / 0)

You can stand on your two feet, you don't need a mama holding your hand.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
You just jealous, boy (0.00 / 0)
I came up with a decent, original blog entry, while you continue to pump out boring, irrelevant right woos left bullshite.

[ Parent ]
oil contingency plans (4.00 / 1)
Western powers this week readied a contingency plan to tap a record volume from emergency stockpiles to replace nearly all the Gulf oil that would be lost if Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, industry sources and diplomats told Reuters. They said senior executives of the International Energy Agency (IEA), which advises 28 oil consuming countries, discussed Thursday an existing plan to release up to 14 million barrels per day (bpd) of government-owned oil stored in the United States, Europe, Japan and other importers.

Action on this scale would be more than five times the size of the biggest release in the agency's history -- made in response to Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

The maximum release, some 10 million bpd of crude and about 4 million bpd of refined products, could be sustained during the first month of any coordinated action, the plan says. "This would form a necessary and sensible response to a closure of the strait," a European diplomat told Reuters. "It wouldn't take long to put in place if it was required ... and would be unlikely to prove controversial amongst the (IEA) membership.

A spokesman for the IEA confirmed that the agency has an existing contingency plan that outlines a maximum stock release capability of 14 million bpd for a month. "We're watching the situation carefully," he said of Iran.

Tehran announced plans Friday for new military exercises in the world's most important oil shipping lane, through which some 16 million barrels of crude pass each day. Iranian officials have threatened to block the strait if new sanctions, aimed to discourage Iran's nuclear program, harm Tehran's oil exports. Many oil experts believe the threats are rhetoric aimed at pushing up oil prices in a bid to avert sanctions. "The IEA is monitoring the situation very closely, and is fairly concerned about it," the diplomat said.

Also watching closely are oil giants Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq who depend on the strait to move most of their crude. If the Gulf channel gets blocked, Saudi Arabia, the world's top exporter, can route more crude through the country's East-West pipeline system to the port of Yanbu on the Red Sea.

PIPELINES AVAILABLE

Altogether that network has effective capacity of some 4.5 million bpd and after supplying Saudi domestic refineries in Jeddah, Riyadh, Rabigh and Yanbu - there is about 3 million bpd of export capacity available, said an industry source. The neighboring United Arab Emirates also has export flexibility. It is nearing completion of the Abu Dhabi crude oil pipeline, which will bypass the strait to ship as much as 1.5 million bpd to the Indian Ocean. Industry sources said the pipeline has been tested and the first flow of oil has already been pumped. "It's now only a matter of switching on a button," one industry source said.

The IEA tapped emergency stocks in June to help supply refiners caught short by supply lost to Libya's civil war. It was a move that angered the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries which felt the consumer group had overstepped its bounds.

Founded in 1974 in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, the IEA has only drawn down reserves on three occasions. Apart from last summer, member countries released oil in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina damaged offshore oil facilities in the Gulf of Mexico and made available 2.5 million bpd in January 1991 after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait disrupted about 4.3 million bpd.

For now, the Paris-based agency is keeping a close eye on developments and senior management discussed Iran at the meeting Thursday, the European diplomat said.

Western governments are targeting Iranian oil supplies and the European Union is readying a ban on the country's crude oil exports of about 500,000 bpd, while Washington has already imposed financial measures to discourage business with Tehran.

Industry sources said the IEA is unlikely to release stocks in the event of an EU embargo on Iran. While Europe will import less Iranian oil, Tehran will seek to sell larger volumes to its biggest customers in Asia.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/...

soundz like a good plan to help calm the markets, keep the price of crude down, and weaken Iran's bargaining position visa vee threats to close the straight of Hormuz.

of curse, should iran attempt to make good on their threats, the entire world would align against them, and any military action woode undoubtedly include going after their nuclear weapons facilities.

your move mega billionaire AyaFuckface Khamenei and ahole Ajad....

==


All this gonna gonna gonna do, but none of it (2.00 / 1)

will make up for the spectacular Bush fail of handing Iraq over to its Shiite majority. From the U.S. imperial perspective, that was its worst move ever in the Persian Gulf.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
So, then, you finally admit that you and all Fake Leftists were wrong when you state (5.00 / 1)
that the Iraqi war was all about neo-imperialist conquering of the oil fields and support for zionism...good, its about time you listened to me, too bad its four years too late to stop your slide into complete fantasy fairleft land of fascist toolism.

Well, actually, you were already there Mr. Anti-Immigrant Minuteman, weren't you?



[ Parent ]
I recall the prestigious attorney Francis Holland worked on behalf of immigrants (0.00 / 0)
And I also recall Fairleft took sadistic pleasure in piling on to the horrific attacks made against Mr. Holland's free speech rights at My Left Wing. What will Fakey come up with next?

[ Parent ]
Repair your false memory syndrome by looking at old MLW diaries/comments (2.00 / 1)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
The truth hurts, Fakey (0.00 / 0)
You piled on with the mob mentality going after Francis Holland at MLW. Liars like you get tuned out by lurkers, once they realise you are full of shite. It's called the Ron Brynaert Effect. Your worst sin actually might be you are utterly boring to go with this proclivity to prevaricate.

liar liar pants on fire


[ Parent ]
And your accusation's evidence? NONE??? (0.00 / 0)

Wow, what a surprise.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
"the spectacular Bush fail of handing Iraq over to its Shiite majority" (0.00 / 0)

No, I said what I said, which has nothing to do with your fantasy. Bush, the neocon lobby and the military-industrial complex's reasons for invading Iraq are unknown. It is a fact, though, that the result (not the intended result, we can safely assume) was to hand Iraq over to its Shiite majority, which has strengthened Iran's military/strategic position in the Persian Gulf and dramatically weakened the position of U.S. and Western imperialism.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Don't forget Bush's (1.00 / 1)
large Conservative Christian base, which overwhelmingly favored the Iraq war, giving him all the political cover he needed to invade Iraq.

Yer a Jew worshipping, canned ham loving Christian, ain't ya fairFront?

Funny tho, that Sharon, Israel's PM at the time, warned Bush against invading Iraq for the very reason that it woode benefit Iran. You know, he lived in the region, understood the ramifications. But Bush had that bloodthirsty goyim fuckwad Cheney in his ear, egging him on.

But fairFront, do you ever question why the uber powerful Arab Oil lobby got us into Lybia, got us to liberate Kuwait in Iraq I, gets us to protect their black crude for free so uber leftist aholes can guzzle the precious commodity to their blackhearts' content?

Why the fuck does the US guard Saudi Arabia's, and all the other Persian Gulf countries oil at US taxpayer expense? These Arabs, what a bunch of undeservedly wealthy fucking leeches.

=


[ Parent ]
bwhahahahahaha! (0.00 / 0)
Dust92 1 Fuck to you!

excellent show of dullardness dust. r u frum dulluth?

idea 92: chop off yer arm and make a stew out of it

eye mean, what'd eye say anyway?

pleze essplain

TIA



[ Parent ]
I was going to post a more substantial reply (3.00 / 1)
Mainly I don't appreciate the "Arabs are a bunch of undeservedly wealthy leeches".  Found it to be a ridiculous generalization.

Anyway, your comment seemed to indicate you were capable of withstanding a 'fuck you'.  Was I mistaken?  


[ Parent ]
well (0.00 / 0)
what noom said:

Why the fuck does the US guard Saudi Arabia's, and all the other Persian Gulf countries oil at US taxpayer expense? These Arabs, what a bunch of undeservedly wealthy fucking leeches.

You'll note I was specifically referring to Arabs in Persian Gulf countries. They are obscenely wealthy, correct? They are obscenely wealthy merely for living on top of giant oil reserves, correct? They are also generally racist, misogynist, and anti-gay, correct? All of these factors led me to use the term "undeserving."

You, on the udder hand, claimed I wrote this:

Mainly I don't appreciate the "Arabs are a bunch of undeservedly wealthy leeches".

It's an inaccurate recounting. Obviously Arabs in Syria, Egypt, and elsewhere are generally anything but rich.

As for the use of the word "leeches". Of curse, turnabout iz fair play and I chose that word for a reason. See if you can figger it out.

==



[ Parent ]
Israel's idiot rulers pushed hard for an invasion, (0.00 / 0)

because they were and are as strategically stupid as Bush, or because their military-industrial complex benefits from permanent war just like the U.S. one does. The only sensible reason for the permanent war on the non-Israel Middle East is for the arms industry to make lots more money. And that is working out great. The ties among the arms industry, Israel Lobby, the two military-industrial complexes, and the neocon lobby are very well known, but probably not to you.

Now Israel's idiot rulers and their Lobby here pushed hard for a tighter oil embargo on Iran, which will only increase oil prices and enrich Iran, as everyone with a brain warned. And that is exactly what is happening. Brilliant.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
that's idiotic (0.00 / 0)

Of curse, being surrounded by 300 million mostly racist Arab aholes filled with anti_Jew mania, Israel has no choice but to arm itself to the teeth. It's a matter of survival. And given the genius of the Jews, it's no wonder the US intergrates some of that technology created in Israel. Why the fuck do you think the US values Israel as an ally so highly? It's them Jewish brains you dumb goyim fuckwad. Why is Apple investing in a R&D center in Israel? For the same reason. Suck on it you ham infested, rotten brained lout.

But other than the US, whose MIC really benefited from the Iraq war? Christian England's of course. Funny how you uber leftist Israelphobes never seem to bring up that Christian nation who slaughtered a hundred thousand Iraqis. There were a number of other countries who benefited too, much more than the Jewish state did.

You've been an anti_Israel lying fuckwad for years. Your views are prefixed and have nothing to do with reality or logic.

It's also well known you're an Ajad dick sucker who actually wants the Iranian theocracy to get the bomb. Just come out and admit it straight up. You want them to get the bomb. Say it. Nuclear weapons in the hands of radical, imperialist nutjobs like Khamenei is a good thing in your book.

click here] [

anti_Jew mania in Egypt. These racist Arab scumbags want a new milquetoast holycoast.

=



[ Parent ]
If it is, then why did you change the subject? (4.00 / 1)

You are childish and naive if you don't think making money plays a huge role in why the U.S. and Israel have gigantic arms budgets, which of course require creating enemies for the U.S. and Israeli militaries.

The best they've come up with are tiny bands of 'terrorists' who are obviously best dealt with through international policing efforts and respectful and cooperative foreign relations with Middle Eastern Muslim countries, and not with high tech missiles and assassination drones. But that doesn't matter, because war money and its media want the Israeli and U.S. publics scared stupid and don't want them to know the truth.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
yer an anti_Jew liar (2.00 / 1)
first of all Saddam Hussein funded pal Arab imperialist suicide bombers against Israeli women and children. He paid their families $25,000 each to blow up Jewish babies. And that they did.

Second of all Iraq bombarded Israel with missiles in Iraq I and Israel didn't respond as per the US request. You know the war the US fought to liberate Kuwait on behalf of the uber wealthy Arab oil sheikdoms.

Thirdly, Israel is under constant threat from their neighbors, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, anti_Jew groups who you support. Both groups are funded and armed by oil rich, Islamist Iran.

Fourth. Israel has already fought numerous wars against armies of her Arab neighbors, not merely bands of terrorists. I like how anti_Jew loons always minimize the threat to Jews.

Fifth. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map. Ajad is a holocaust denier. You support him and the Mullahs with your every waking breath.

Sixth. As I've already stated, and you've run roughshod over with your usual anti_Jew, anti_Israel bias, Israel advised against invading Iraq knowing full well that Iran was the real enemy.

Another widely held belief regarding the administration's various motivations for starting the Iraq War was that Israel and its supporters pressured Bush to eliminate a threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

This motive has also been a favorite among critics of Israel, and especially among anti-Israel conspiracy buffs.

==

Israeli officials warned the Bush administration that an invasion of Iraq would destabilize the entire region and urged the United States to instead target Iran as the primary enemy.

Wilkerson, then a member of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff and later Chief of Staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, revealed in a 2007 interview that the Israelis reacted immediately to indications the Bush administration was planning to invade Iraq.

Wilkerson noted that when the Israeli government picked up signs of that intention, The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy. Iran is the enemy. Wilkerson described the Israeli message to the Bush administration in early 2002 as being, "If you are going to destabilize the balance of power, do it against the main enemy [Iran].

Wilkerson described the warning against invading Iraq - conveyed to the administration by a wide range of Israeli sources, including political figures, intelligence and private citizens - as "pervasive.

Wilkerson said the message was not that the United States should immediately attack Iran, but that "...it should not be distracted by Iraq and Saddam Hussein" from a focus on the threat from Iran.

The Israeli advice against using military force against Iraq was apparently triggered by reports reaching Israeli officials in December 2001 that the Bush administration was beginning serious planning for such an attack.

Bob Woodward revealed in his book "Plan of Attack" that on Dec. 1, 2001, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld ordered the Central Command chief Gen. Tommy Franks to come up with the first formal briefing on a new war plan for Iraq on Dec. 4. That started a period of intense discussions on war planning between Rumsfeld and Franks.

As soon as Israeli officials got wind of a possible invasion, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asked for a meeting with Bush, primarily to discuss his intention to invade Iraq. According to a Washington Post report, in the weeks preceding Sharon's meeting with Bush on Feb. 7, 2002, a procession of Israeli officials conveyed the message to the Bush administration that Iran represented a much greater threat to Israel and to the stability of the entire region.

Israeli Defense Minister Fouad Ben-Eliezer, who was visiting Washington with Sharon, revealed the essence of the strategic differences between Tel Aviv and Washington over military force. The Washington Post reported that Ben-Eliezer said, "Today, everybody is busy with Iraq. Iraq is a problem... But you should understand, if you ask me, today Iran is more dangerous than Iraq."

Sharon never revealed publicly what he said to Bush in the Feb. 7 meeting. But Yossi Alpher, a former adviser to Prime Minister Ehud Barak, revealed in a January 2007 article in The Forward that Sharon advised Bush not to occupy Iraq. Alpher also reported that Sharon assured Bush Israel would not "push one way or another" regarding the plan to take down Saddam Hussein.

Alpher noted that Washington actually preferred to not be given public support by Israel and explicitly requested that Israel refrain from openly supporting the invasion in order to avoid an automatic negative reaction from Iraq's Arab neighbors. After the meeting, the Sharon government stayed silent on the issue of an invasion of Iraq.

One notable exception was a statement on Aug. 16, 2002 by Ranaan Gissin, an aide to Sharon, who declared, "Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose. It will only give [Hussein] more of an opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction."

As late as October 2002 there were more signs of continuing Israeli grumbling over Bush's obsession with taking over Iraq. Both the Israeli Defense Forces' Chief of Staff and its Chief of Military Intelligence made public statements that month dismissing the Bush administration's position that Saddam Hussein's alleged quest for nuclear weapons made him the main threat. Both officials pointed out that Israel's military advantage over Iraq had increased since the Gulf War as Iraq had grown weaker.

Maj. Gen. Aharon Farkash, Israel's Chief of Military Intelligence, said Iraq had not deployed any missiles that could strike Israel directly and challenged the Bush administration's argument that Iraq could obtain nuclear weapons within a relatively short time. He gave an interview to Israeli television in which he said army intelligence had concluded that Iraq could not have nuclear weapons in less than four years. He accurately insisted that Iran was more of a nuclear threat as Iraq.

Israeli strategists predicted with disquieting accuracy that taking down Saddam Hussein would further upset an Iran-Iraq power balance that had already tilted heavily in favor of Iran after the defeat of Hussein's army in the 1991 Gulf War.

However, by 1996, American neoconservatives with ties to Israel's rightwing Likud Party were beginning to argue for a more aggressive joint U.S.-Israeli strategy aimed at a "rollback" of all of Israel's enemies in the region, including Iran, but beginning by taking down Hussein and putting a pro-Israeli regime in power there.

That was the thrust of the 1996 report of a task force led by Richard Perle for the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, the right-wing Israeli think tank, and aimed at the Likud Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Still, most strategists in the Israeli government and the Likud Party, including Sharon, did not share that viewpoint. Despite agreement between neoconservatives and Israeli officials on many issues, the dominant Israeli position on the issue of invading Iraq diverged from that of U.S. neoconservatives because of differing political-military interests.

Israel was justifiably more worried about the threat posed by Iran, whereas the Bush administration was obsessed with regime change as what they believed to be a low-cost way of leveraging more ambitious changes in the region. From the Bush administration's perspective, Saddam's military weakness made it the logical target.

As of this writing, the Iraq War has cost thousands of American lives and a trillion dollars. Furthermore, it transformed Iran into the region's most powerful thug, and imperiled Israel more than when Saddam was alive and in charge, just as countless Israeli officials predicted.

Considering the unbounded hubris of the Bush administration, Israel's spot-on warning never stood a chance of dissuading them, and Israel was worse off for it.

So was the United States.

http://open.salon.com/blog/mar...

so fairFront the anti_Jew loon, and LJ the fake NA Nazi. Let's get back to the notion that you support nuclear weapons in the hands of Iran's nutjob Mullahs. It's all but a given, but why don't you have the balls to just state it outright?

And also, why does the US taxpayer foot the bill to defend the Arabs in the richest resource region of the world? Surely these uber wealthy, racist, misogynist and anti-gay leeeches can afford to pay for their own defense? But nope, for some unknown reason, due to the obscene power of the Arab Oil Lobby, the US taxpayer has to cough it up. Why? Don't even get me started on how the Arabs and Persians artifically inflate the price of crude, further ripping off Mr. and Mrs. John Q Public.  

TIA  

and fairFront which is your favorite?] [


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This isn't my topic, Noom. NONETHELESS!!! (3.00 / 2)
Haha, you probably expected me to get involved. Just gonna say that anyone who knows Fakey's posting patterns realises he is either some got right wooed left moron or is paid to post.

[ Parent ]
Good_Point_Noom (3.00 / 2)
What's_up_with_fairdick_and_his_use_of_underscores? By_the_way,_this_is_post_#100. God_bless_the_audience.

[ Parent ]
Hi, everyone! I'm home! Happy New Year! (4.50 / 2)
Did I miss anything?

INFJ, incidentally.  

FWIW.


Hi Vox Humana (0.00 / 0)
You're back just in time. Pffugee has hit the big stage, and Laura-Fakeleft are bitter because it has nothing to do with their stale no one gives a shit about it schtick.

Aaaah, hello fellow introvert. And intuitive. We are 2 for 2. And Feeling!!!! 3 for 3. So I guess we clash with you Judging and my being Perceptive. Let me find you a smiley to welcome you back.



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Bankers rule the planet = "stale no one gives a shit about it schtick" (2.00 / 1)

to socrates. OTOH, 50 tens of thousands of words on Brett Kimberlin, that's non-stale good stuff

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Dude, you are sooo predictable (0.00 / 0)
Myself and donkeytale come up with the best threads on this Joooo hating right woos left rag. Then you get jealous and come over to hijack.  

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There you go again with your anti-semitism. Sad, really, coming from a nothing like you, (2.00 / 1)

but probly makes you feel like a big tough guy. Scoundrels, last refuge and all that. ...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Dude, you're the Joooo hater not me (0.00 / 0)
That makes you the anti-semite, not me. Now how 'bout you start a new thread and stop leeching off of mine? This will sound conceited. So be it. You are a small fish in a puddle. I am a big fish in a small pond. #buyavowel

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Stop your anti-semitist snarls, NOW! (1.00 / 1)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Dude (0.00 / 0)
What part of no one gives a shit about you or what you blog on don't you understand?

[ Parent ]
Thanks for stopping that anti-semitist crap! (0.00 / 0)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Now!!!! (4.00 / 1)
That right there:

Dude  
What part of no one gives a shit about you or what you blog on don't you understand?

Is the smartest thing you have ever posted anywhere.

Good Job!  Rated accordingly!

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You're impressed too with how I stopped his anti-semitist mouthshit but can't say that. (0.00 / 0)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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actually (4.50 / 2)
I had quit reading your comments two years ago. (I made the mistake of agreeing with you one time, never do that again) So I am really not involved or aware of that conversion.

But of course, feel free to carry on with it.


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Hmmm.... (4.50 / 2)
thanks for the welcome back!  I couldn't rate it, though, because of the salty sailor talk.  One of my favorite of your phrases, by the way.

Anyway, Laura gives us all this playground, I note.  And the dialogue amongst us all (well, all of you, anyhow) is the spice of the forum.

After all, if you and donkeytale didn't have Laura and fairleft to debate, what would this place be?  Well, it would be different, anyway. For sure.

But yes... INFJ. I do think the Myers-Briggs test is interesting and perceptive, though I understand what fairleft is saying about its horoscope-like quality as well.

And I'll take Gandhi, MLK, Eleanor Roosevelt, Nelson Mandela, Chaucer, Goethe and Robert Burns.  Yep.

Notfanuttinbut...


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It takes a village (3.50 / 2)
That's a mighty nice list of people from your INFJ clan. Quite impressive.

[ Parent ]
A take-no-prisoners INFP vs INFJ catfight, YEAH!! (4.00 / 1)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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I think that's called (3.00 / 1)
"blogging."

[ Parent ]
INFP, nice to see ya (2.50 / 2)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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No foockkking way you are an INFP. You are an MFNP (0.00 / 0)
Stifle it, meathead.

[ Parent ]
INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP INFP!!! (0.00 / 0)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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castro (0.00 / 0)
"Is it not obvious that worst of all is the absence in the White House of a robot capable of governing the United States and preventing a war to end the life of our species?" http://rt.com/usa/news/castro-...


The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

The NeoCon Propaganda Machine Pushing "Regime Change" in Syria (0.00 / 0)

Not that it ain't obvious, but here's a good article the corporate media's regime change war:

. . . the majority of Western mainstream media outlets, along with the media of the US's allies in the region, particularly al-Jazeera and the Saudi-owned al-Arabiya TV channels, are effectively collaborating with the "regime change" narrative and agenda with a near-complete lack of questioning or investigation of statistics and information put out by organizations and media outlets that are either funded or owned by the US/European/Gulf alliance - the very same countries instigating the regime change project in the first place. . . .

Hiding behind the rubric - "we are not able to verify these statistics" - the lack of integrity in reporting by the Western mainstream media has been starkly apparent since the onset of events in Syria. A decade after the Iraq war, it would seem that no lessons from 2003 - from the demonization of Saddam Hussein and his purported weapons of mass destruction - have been learnt.

Of the three main sources for all data on numbers of protesters killed and numbers of people attending demonstrations - the pillars of the narrative - all are part of the "regime change" alliance.

http://www.counterpunch.org/20...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


new comedy about a blogger. haha. (0.00 / 0)
Fox has given the green light to one more pilot, a single-camera comedy from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia creator/star Rob McElhenney and the show's executive producer Rob Rosell. The project, titled "Living Loaded," is based on the book of the same name by Dan Dunn. It centers on a loose partying blogger forced to change his career plans when he becomes a radio host. http://www.deadline.com/2012/0...


The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

some fun russian dudes (4.00 / 1)


The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

this is hilarious (0.00 / 0)
http://publiceditor.blogs.nyti...

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

Putin arming Assad (4.00 / 1)
A Russian ship carrying weapons docked in Syria, amid continued reports of regime crackdown on protesters.

The Russian-owned ship that carried armaments docked in Tartus, Syria, despite previously claiming it would change its destination, Turkey's Hurriyet Daily News reported.

"The Turkish navy has learned that the Russian ship MV Chariot docked at the Syrian port today," the paper said, citing Turkish Foreign Ministry official Selcuk Unal.

Russia still has a naval base in Tartus, the only one it has in the Mediterranean area.

Called MV Chariot, the ship owned by Russian-based Westberg Ltd. headed from St Petersburg to the Syrian port of Latakia.

It carried between 35 and 60 tons of ammunition and explosives meant for the Syrian Defence Ministry.

The Russian Foreign Ministry acknowledged that the ship carried a "dangerous cargo," but failed to comment further.

It emerged that Cypriot authorities had boarded the ship after it was forced to stop to refuel at the Cypriot port of Limassol.

After limited examination due to the "confined space", the authorities ruled the ship carried a "dangerous cargo," the Greek Cypriot Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

It was only allowed to leave "after the ship decided to change its destination and not go to Syria," Cypriot government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou said.

Media reports suggest the Chariot, had turned off its tracking device but the information could not be independently verified.

Also, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti quoted a Westberg spokesman as saying that the Chariot was ferrying cargo owned by Russia's state arms trader Rosoboronexport.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/artic...

Fucking imperial Russia arming the Assassin Assad so he can slaughter more civilians in cold blood.

good job Putin.

and uber leftist ahole liars let out a sigh of relief. Their guy, Assad the Butcher, wants to fight.

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z (0.00 / 0)
While Rome burned during the Great Fire of AD 64, Emperor Nero is said to have sat back and fiddled. It's unclear whether the story, invoked in our time as a proverbial reflection on an individual or an institution that neglects priorities in moments of dire crisis, is apocryphal. We do know, however, that the story of the Arab League pussyfooting it while Syria burned is not.

Though the ancient land of Bilad Al Sham is not literally on fire, its besieged civilians have been getting killed, incarcerated, tortured and disappeared by the thousands, while members of the Arab League met at an opulent hotel last Monday to affirm their commitment to the group of monitors the organisation had dispatched to Syria on December 27. The group's mission? To observe the implementation of an agreement that called on the government in Damascus to halt military operations in urban centres, end violence against peaceful demonstrators and free the countless political prisoners arrested since the uprising began 10 months ago.

The group, led by General Mohammad Al Dabi, a man of dubious qualifications as an observer of human rights violations, has shown that it lacks the moxy, the competence and the independence required to play the role that it was tasked with as a fact-finding mission. While visiting the devastated city of Homs, for example, where hundreds have been killed, including children, General Al Dabi asserted, in what surely should be ranked as the most comical observation of the month, that the city, true, looked somewhat ragged but "there was nothing frightening there". Well over 400 civilians have been slaughtered by Syrian troops and security forces since the observers arrived in the country. Now if that doesn't frighten the General, along with his cohorts, then he clearly has a different conception of the value of human life than that which the rest of us hold.

To be sure, the 'Arab Parliament', the helpless adjunct of a toothless institution, recently called for the observers to be recalled since they have proved to be incompetent and biased, not to mention that they indirectly were giving cover to the Al Assad regime to continue its efforts to cow the Syrian population into submission through resort to ever harsher tactics. And make no mistake about it, this Baathist regime, given its blood record over the last four decades, will kill and stab to insure its survival. No questions asked, no explanations given.

Is it possible that a great many political leaders in the Arab world, as an Amnesty International report issued last Monday suggested, do not seem to grasp the full significance, the profound gravity, of what is happening in Syria? While Nero fiddled as Rome burned, in like manner Arab leaders today confine themselves to issuing releases from an opulent hotel in Cairo while innocent civilians and whole towns are pummelled. Is it possible, more tellingly, that this kind of prevarication, perhaps even crass indifference at the suffering of ordinary citizens by their ruling elite, that has triggered the mass rage behind the Arab Spring, a movement that seeks, at root and branch, the radical re-orientation of social consciousness in the Arab world and of the idiom around which Arabs organise their communal sense of reference?

If the Arab League does not have the know-how, the resources and the imagination to put a stop to the 10 months of bloodshed in Syria, then it should turn the issue over to a body that does. It could - it should - seek a Security Council resolution under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, a jurisdiction that mandates the use of an international armed force to guard besieged civilians under assault by rogue governments and other predatory forces. And if Russia and China veto the resolution, then they will go on record, and in the history books, for having chosen to pursue a mercenary stance instead of a moral one.

Meanwhile, in a rambling speech in Damascus on Tuesday, President Bashar Al Assad claimed that the mass uprising in his country was caused by a "foreign conspiracy". His government, he said, will not relent. And indigenous "armed gangs" will be confronted by the regime's iron fist. "We will not be lenient with those who work with outsiders against the country", he said. (Those putative "outsiders" were not named.)

If the Syrian autocrat is telling us anything here he is telling us this: Not unlike other dictators in the Arab world who had evinced a paranoid streak before being given the boot by their people, Al Assad seems to have lost his grip on reality and he is telling us further that he intends to continue mercilessly butchering Syrian citizens until he can butcher no more.

It now appears that the Arab League, given its background as a mere debating club, will not solve - or will not alone be able to solve - this conflict, a conflict that may progressively hurtle into a tragic civil war. The road ahead, not just for Syrians but for other young Arabs engaged in the Arab Awakening, remains beset with potentialities of crisis, suffering and reversal. And it appears, equally clearly, that the regime, which has already killed close to 6,000 Syrians, will try to kill yet another 6,000, and yet another, all in order to protect the Al Assad family's dynastic rule - and it will do it without any compunction, unless it is stopped in its tracks by a credible force with muscle, not just a gentle slap on the wrist by the Arab League.

 http://gulfnews.com/opinions/c...



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civil war (0.00 / 0)
Thousands have protested in support of the rebel Free Syrian Army as Moscow kept up its opposition to calls for tougher action against Damascus, calling them flagrant attempts at regime change.

Both France and Syria, meanwhile, announced investigations into the death of French television correspondent Gilles Jacquier, the first Western newsman to die in Syria since anti-regime protests erupted in March.

The street rallies followed a day in which security forces killed 15 civilians in their crackdown, and came after the largest civilian opposition group decided to boost cooperation with the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA).

Security forces deployed in strength - as on every Friday over the past 10 months for the main weekly protests - killed at least eight people, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told AFP in Nicosia.

It said four people were killed in Homs, one in Hama, including a 17-year-old, both in central Syria, one in Damir near the capital, one in Idlib province of the northwest and one in the northern region of Aleppo.

About 20,000 people turned out in the Idlib town of Ariha calling for the overthrow of the regime, and another 15,000 massed in the Damascus suburb of Douma, according to the Britain-based rights group.

Burhan Ghaliun, head of the Syrian National Council, an umbrella group that initially opposed the use of force in the uprising, met on Thursday with rebel army chief Colonel Riad al-Asaad.

They agreed to 'formulate a detailed plan, to include the reorganisation of FSA units and brigades, and the creation of a format to accommodate within FSA ranks additional officers and soldiers, especially senior military officials, who side with the revolution,' the SNC said.

Formed from deserters from the regular army who mutinied over the regime's deadly crackdown, the FSA says it has some 40,000 fighters under its command.

http://www.skynews.com.au/tops...

sounds like it's gonna get really bloody

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