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More from Zinn on how communism gave Americans all their rights

DavidByron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:51:10 GMT

In the chapter on civil rights he seems to credit the soviets with the Civil Rights Movement. Without the fear of international communism and its far greater appeal to peasants the world over, would US elites have started to dismantle their elaborately crafted systematic racism that had helped them control their own peasants at home for so long?

Truman's Committee was blunt about its motivation in making these recommendations. Yes, it said, there was "moral reason": a matter of conscience. But there was also an "economic reason"- discrimination was costly to the country, wasteful of its talent. And, perhaps most important, there was an international reason:
Our position in the post-war world is so vital to the future that our smallest actions have tar- reaching effects. .. . We cannot escape the fact that our civil rights record has been an issue in world politics. The world's press and radio are full of it. . ., Those with competing philosophies have stressed-and are shamelessly distorting-our shortcomings. . . . They have tried to prove our democracy an empty fraud, and our nation a consistent oppressor of underprivileged people. This may seem ludicrous to Americans, but it is sufficiently important to worry our friends. The United States is not so strong, the final triumph of the democratic ideal is not so inevitable that we can ignore what the world thinks of us or our record.
The United States was out in the world now in a way it had never been. The stakes were large-world supremacy. And, as Truman's Committee said: "...our smallest actions have far-reaching effects."

Google Diana Napolis

socrates — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:11:02 GMT

She may or may not be related to Blews. FailFake sounds desperate. Each time he tries to get off the canvas, as soon as the ten count is given, he goes back down. And unlike Joe Frazier, he really doesn't have much zippity doo in his offense.

His wife is an independent human being

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:01:18 GMT

I had this same problem two years ago with people who thought Bill Clinton was Hillary Clinton in drag or wtf. Marriage is not a melting of two identities into one. Anyway, Conyers had some apparently minor troubles with the law a couple years ago, completely unrelated to his youthful and vivacious wife's apparently serious crime.

Will Monica's troubles hurt Rep. John Conyers?
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
March 11, 2010, 11:43AM
Monica Conyers' son led her into federal court yesterday, where she received a 37-month sentence for her role in the Synagro bribery scandal, but her husband was nowhere to be seen.
The Detroit News reports U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) was in the building, hiding out in an office he keeps at the courthouse. Sources told the newspaper Conyers wanted to attend his wife's hearing, but advisers cautioned him against doing so.
Conyers himself has faced allegations of corruption for paying congressional staff members to work on his campaign, but the House Ethics Committee investigated and did not punish him significantly. Then-U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg last year said his office did not find any link connecting Conyers to his wife's illegal conduct. . . .

http://www.mlive.com/news/detr...

recent years as 'in since 7 years ago'

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:47 GMT

The guy was violently mentally ill going back seven years

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:10 GMT

I even blockquoted it for you. Read gooder before posting blather.

Her whole 'hoped in Obama and now a rude awakening' schtick

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:52:10 GMT

Just makes me more hopeless. Are people NEVER gonna look at who's contributing to a candidate's campaign and draw the obvious conclusion? How the fuck many 'rude awakenings' do we have to go through before this apparently huge (or at least hugely self-important and gate-keeping) slice of the population that she 'represents' gets what's going on? They work for who pays the bills. D-u-h-oy-i-i-h.

Wear aggressive/assertive lawyer type gear

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:46:19 GMT

Defense and prosecution both dislike jurors they think they can't lead around by the nose, imho.

Inflation not unemployment is the big worry, NOW?

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:43:58 GMT

Inside Alan Greenspan's nightmare
News that wages are rising in China is greeted with dread by those who share Greenspan's unwarranted fear of rising inflation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm...

Revisionist is alan greenspan?

Okay, yeah, you might pay a couple pennies more per head of lettuce. Labor compensation (in this de-unionized farmworker USA) amounts to about 10% of the price you now pay.

He's a tomato can

socrates — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:41:21 GMT

He's the Washington Generals to your Globetrotters. He's toast. You done real good, Pops.

No paystub = plausible deniability

socrates — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:38:50 GMT

Unfortunately, I find that failfake is one of the most boring writers in the history of the modern blogging era. This guy also reminds me of Tinoire, that whench who also portrayed herself as far lefty. Now you tell me, is it likely that someone who worked for military intelligence would end up a lefty? Why was this "lefty" voting for Ron Paul? Why does she support neonazi supporter Michael Riuvero, a frequent guest of NWO conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones?

It's not likely. Same as this loser with his contradictory posting patterns. I first became aware of him by looking at his ratings and comments made towards me. He wasn't edding up. Then I saw how he had attacked Francis. I saw all the things you came up with on him. He's an insignificant litte chatter brain. You might be interested in my new entry on Annette Appollo. She was the female version of yourself donkeytale. She didn't suffer fools like fairleft. No doubt about it, that's what he is. He can't even generate traffic for his ideas. Because no one can read him. You're like the guy who watches Fox News so the rest of us don't have to. Thanks for figuring out this fail fakey.

It also looks like Jason Leopold might have shown up in the comments of my new entry. I actually found one of your comments funny, forget where, you said we're fighting conspiracy theory with conspiracy theory. Basically people are fed up with bullshitters and those afflicted with authoritarian personalities. You have profoundly figured out that what is going on at this website, and how it resembles what happened in Germany in the 20's and 30's. The praising of Ahmejenidid or wtf the spelling and then Huey Long, the whole place is a joke, no intellectual banter, just people screaming slogans and thinking they are making a difference as keyboard commandos.

Look, I've proven over and over again not to be messed with. I'm glad you took care of this asshole. It enabled me to cover areas I'm more knowledgable of. It takes a village to knock around fake left tomato cans.

Supersoling is another one. Otvos especially reeks of being paid. That Hippie Mission thing said it all. These people's posting patterns say it all. At a minimum, failreft and the others are creepy. He's definitely someone law enforcement should keep an eye on, same as of course Otvos, Byron, and supersoling. And of course Blews! The point is they are all either paid fakes or useful idiots. There's no middle ground. Too bad you're addicted to soablox software. If you could only see how lame and inconsequential this forum is. Fairleft is like in the .00000000000000001 percentile of must blog reads. His best stuff has actually been your responses to him! Anyway, check out my Annette Appollo piece. It might hit a personal part of you. True story that.She'd be proud of the way you're driving failreft's comments into submission. I think the only people who come to this place are here to watch you knock these fockers around. What else is there here? Listen, my new piece on Appollo, even my last one on Wells and Hopsicker, those were pretty good. I do have the ability to write some good ones. Laura fucked up by not frontpaging me. She's playing politics with this board. She sucks. This forum is doomed. Only chance it has is if yourself, me, and then new honest people sign up. Otherwise, these people don't have the talenr. Who reads anything like failreft writes? It's over. He was exposed. You did it. Law enforcement now needs to keep an eye on him. He's mentally unstable. Of course, if he's on their payroll, then disregard that last statement. If on said payroll, is this the best and brightest you fuckstains can find? Think of Hal Turner. No way he was the only one. I bet it's more like steroids in baseball. I am the Jose Canseco of bloggers. Oops. Wait a minute. Did you see Nomah came back for a day. Fuck him. He was another self-absorbed ass. We traded him, and poof, no more curse of the bambino. Maybe FailReft is the curse of this forum. And Laurajohn just doesn't have the mental abilities to be a playah and trade him. Or maybe she is paid also. No way to know. It's not out of line my take on the internet. Paid fakes or useful idiots. Sometimes both! I do see your point that useful idiots makes more sense. But Otvos has some very strange crap in his resume. Byron had that Aiming Higher campaign. Who writes shit like that other than Hal Turner? Otvos wrote that Stack's actions were heroic. WHO WRITES SHIT LIKE THAT OTHER THAN HAL TURNER TYPES? Oops, the capital button got locked. That's the ticket. That's the paystub. A wise guy. Why I oughta. Back in bowl. I'll be back.

unbelievable

da real fake noom — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:28:42 GMT

there it is. joost last year da dopey pope spoke out against condom use in Africa.

Pope claims condoms could make African Aids crisis worse
The Pope today reignited the controversy over the Catholic church's stance on condom use as he made his first trip to Africa.
The pontiff said condoms were not the answer to the continent's fight against HIV and Aids and could make the problem worse.
Benedict XVI made his comments as he flew to Cameroon for the first leg of a six-day trip that will also see him travelling to Angola.
The timing of his remarks outraged health agencies trying to halt the spread of HIV and Aids in sub-Saharan Africa, where an estimated 22 million people are infected.
The Roman Catholic church encourages sexual abstinence and fidelity to prevent the disease from spreading, but it is a policy that has divided some clergy working with Aids patients.
The pontiff, speaking to journalists on his flight, said the condition was "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".
Rebecca Hodes, of the Treatment Action Campaign in South Africa, said that if the Pope was serious about preventing new HIV infections he would focus on promoting wider access to condoms and spreading information about how best to use them.
Hodes, the director of policy, communication and research for the campaign group, added: Instead, his opposition to condoms conveys that religious dogma is more important to him than the lives of Africans.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

"I condemn this pope-ocracy!"

-Jesus Christ the Jew

hey pope nut job. why do you worship a Jew?

see you in hell pope

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A comment I left at the "Movement Vision Lab"

DavidByron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:15:46 GMT

Seems like a nice girl; wonder how she ended up posting at Huffington Post? I replied to her diary at her own site of course.
http://movementvision.org/rant...

So Zinn says the progressive movement was essentially anti-socialist and acted, often consciously, as an attack on the left and a way to safely divert the power of the people. This was especially needed in as much as the communists were looking powerful.

Since the fall of communism in the late 80s the American elites seem to have decided they don't need that fake left progressive movement any more as a shield against real leftism and populism so the Democrats became the Republicans. Nevertheless it seems like progressives continue to do their job of attacking the left even more now that they are getting no payoff in terms of mild reforms.

So is that the real difference between FDR and Obama? No communist threat to the elites means no need to play nice with the fake left progressives?

I'm not quite clear what movement is referred to in the blog title, but more and more I see progressives with their insistence on mild center right-wing support for Democrats as a big part of the problem not the solution. Like a vaccine that is intended to prevent the people catching the disease of revolution. Of course the Tea Baggers perform much the same function on the right, although the symmetry breaks down as the right have no actual values, just the feeling that things are badly wrong.

"force you to raise wages"

Revisionist — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:13:30 GMT

oh now theres a winning idea!!!!!!! Just what we need is more inflation. I really want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce.

CIS: H-2B Guestworkers take jobs from working poor and working class Americans

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:04 GMT

Donk, you employers are getting too good a deal. We need to tighten up your labor market and force you to raise wages.

(emphasis added)

Dirty Work: In-Sourcing American Jobs with H-2B Guestworkers
By David Seminara
February 2010
Americans don't want to mow your lawn. They don't want to serve you your lobster roll sandwich during your summer holiday in Maine. They won't drive the trucks that bring food to the grocery store you shop in, or chop down the trees that produce the paper you use, or perform at the circus you attend every summer. You'll also need the helping hand of a "temporary, seasonal" guestworker to help you get on the chair lift in Vail, and to learn how to ski or snowboard. Nor will Americans guard your swim club's pool, shovel the snow in your driveway, operate the rides at the amusement park you take your kids to, tidy up the hotel room you sleep in, or process the seafood you eat. Americans can't even be counted on to coach sports, or work construction jobs. American workers have grown soft, young people don't want to work, and the unemployed don't want to do much of anything strenuous these days.
These are the kind of flawed assumptions that have led to the creation and rapid growth of the H-2B visa program, which has resulted in more half a million jobs being filled by foreign guestworkers over the last five years, rather than Americans and immigrants already in the United States.
Despite the significant impact that the H-2B visa program has on American workers, the program receives scant media coverage compared to other guestworker categories. Issues surrounding the issuance of H-1B visas, for example, tend to receive far more media scrutiny because the beneficiaries and the victims are highly educated and often fall within the same social circles as journalists, and the topic of higher-paying skilled jobs is perceived to be more relevant to the kind of readership and viewership that advertisers desire. As the global recession continues to take its toll on the American economy, this is an opportune time to re-examine the H-2B program and to evaluate whether these jobs could be filled with people already in the United States. The goal of this report is to shed light on the poor conditions that H-2B guestworkers often toil in; to expose the damage that this program does to the most vulnerable sector of American workers: the poorly educated, students, minorities, and legal immigrants . . .

http://cis.org/h-2b-guestworkers

CIS: tighten immigration to raise wages

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:43:54 GMT

Center for Immigration Studies produces lots of pro-labor immigration perspective. Upsetting to employers like you, donk, but there it is:

Missing the Elephant in the Room
By Mark Krikorian, March 8, 2010
I was disappointed with Reihan Salam's Forbes column on "what we can and can't do to raise wages":
The truth is that we need to take action on wages sooner rather than later, particularly for less-skilled workers. Edmund Phelps' call for wage subsidies, which he outlines in Rewarding Work, could prove a very effective tool for fighting crime, alleviating poverty and inculcating the habits essential to long-term success. In contrast to living wage laws, wage subsidies don't punish employers for creating low-wage job opportunities.
Rather, the Phelps approach recognizes that the welfare of the less-skilled, ex-offenders and others on the margin of the economic mainstream is a collective responsibility. But again, wage subsidies aren't a permanent solution. They will, after all, require tax hikes. Redistribution has its place, but we can't rely on redistribution alone.

Well, that much is obviously true. Unfortunately, he doesn't even mention the one step that would cost nothing and use the market in "fighting crime, alleviating poverty and inculcating the habits essential to long-term success." Namely, tightening the labor market by reducing immigration, both permanent and "temporary," legal and illegal, something Congress can do any time it feels like. Despite the recession, the federal immigration program continues to legally import something like 100,000 working-age people from abroad each month, disproportionately less-skilled, who will compete directly with the very less-skilled Americans (and earlier immigrants) that Salam is rightly concerned about. Just since 2000, immigration (legal and illegal combined) has increased the supply of high school dropouts by something like 15 percent.
There are many reasons for the stagnant or declining prospects of poor workers, immigration being only one of them. But it's simply absurd to talk about wage subsidies or minimum-wage increases or any similar government initiative to improve opportunity for the working poor until we stop subverting their job prospects through another discretionary government initiative.

http://www.cis.org/krikorian/F...

SPLC smear campaign purpose is to stifle debate

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:40:53 GMT

After the collapse of the Senate amnesty bill in 2007, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) joined with the National Council of La Raza and others to launch a campaign to smear the three largest mainstream groups making a case for tighter enforcement and lower immigration. At the center of this campaign was the designation of the Federation for American Immigration Reform as a "hate group" and the spread of that taint to Numbers USA and the Center for Immigration Studies. The announced goal was to pressure journalists and policymakers not to meet or speak with these organizations. Touted as an effort to "stop the hate," it was a thinly disguised move to stifle debate.

http://cis.org/Announcments/SP...

And why would they want to stifle debate? Because they know they'd lose on substance.

I've always felt restricting immigration in hard times is a good idea

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:30:06 GMT

And as you know I've published many diaries on this topic over the years. In the tradtion of Cesar Chavez and the labor movement before this politically correct and 'race to the bottom' globalization era.

About Progressives for Immigration Reform

fairleft — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:27:53 GMT

http://www.progressivesforimmi...

I don't see a problem with the Board of Directors or the Board of Advisors or with the Center for Immigration Studies. But the only argument against restricting immigration during a very deep recession is, obviously, "accuse the messengers of racism."

What matters is that restricting immigration during a very deep recession is an obviously reasonable thing to do. Do you disagree? And the economic benefits of restricting immigration during a very deep recession goes overwhelmingly to immigrants already recently arrived and to the working class and working poor. Its drawbacks impact the upper middle class and wealthy and the wage-slave-seeking corporations. Do you disagree?

Center for Immigration Studies, another Taunton disinfo group posing as a mainstream think tank

donkeytale — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:23:02 GMT

Conservative scholar Stephen Bainbridge described CIS as embarrassing to the rest of the conservative scholars[34] in regards to the statement that CIS (and commentator Michelle Malkin) made that immigration was the cause for the Financial Crisis of 2008.[35]
The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund issued a report in 2009 which criticized CIS, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA, for allegedly portraying "immigrants as responsible for numerous societal ills, often using stereotypes and outright bigotry". The report asserts that the groups are tied to extremists in the anti-immigrant movement even though they are quoted in the press and meet with lawmakers. It complains of what it calls the "legitimization and mainstreaming of virulently anti-immigrant rhetoric".[36] It blamed the rhetoric for feeding a 40% increase in hate crimes against immigrants from 2003-2007, a period when most other hate crimes decreased. CIS Director Krikorian called the report "another salvo against free speech by the pro-amnesty coalition . . . to delegitimize any critic of mass immigration."[37]

Malkin and Failreft share similar demogogic views on immigration....RIOTOUS!

American Cubicle Dwellers Congress?

donkeytale — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:10:11 GMT

(ACDC)