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Micheal Moore Push

by: DavidByron

Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 10:30:50 AM EST


Not really a "watch" so much as an attempt to push him.  I wonder if I can do it all by myself.  That would be interesting.

Today's comment on his blog (third one since election all saying basically the same):

Dear Mr Moore,
you said you wouldn't vote for the Democrats again if they moved one inch to the right.  Well today I see a headline saying Obama will ignore his deadline on withdrawal from Afghanistan.  Isn't that him moving to the right?  The day before it was the news that the Democrats were open to extending Bush tax cuts for the rich permanently and also that DADT was dead in the senate and they wouldn't even push for it.  You said you meant it this time.  You got a bunch of people to vote democratic and sign that petition saying if the Democrats moved "one inch" to the right you'd never vote for them again.  So how about it?  Do you think they have moved an inch to the right since the elections?  And if they have not then what news would make you say they have moved an inch to the right?

Please keep your promise.

DavidByron :: Micheal Moore Push
I left it on the long comment thread he still has active from the election (the thread he talks about his pledge in):

http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo...

Here's the petition Michael Moore got preople to sign as they voted / to encourage them to vote just one more time for Democrats:

http://www.gopetition.com/peti...

Background (Preamble):
In addition to voting for these Dems in the midterms, we need to also let them know that our vote comes with one big condition: If they do not straighten up, get a spine and do what we expect of them, we will find alternate candidates to run against them in 2012.

We'll vote for them now, but also sign this petition that I'll deliver to every elected Democrat -- the "I'm Voting Democratic But I Will Work to Defeat You Next Time If You Don't Do Your Job" petition, aka "The Democrats on Probation" petition. Let's publicly put them on notice that we'll give them just two more years to start doing the things we elected them to do. If they move one more inch to the "center" or to the right, they will never get our vote again. And we mean business.

-- Michael Moore

Petition:

We just voted for you, the Democratic members of Congress, in the midterms. But our vote comes with one big condition: If you do not straighten up, get a spine and do what we expect of you, we will find alternate candidates to run against you in 2012. And we mean it.

Consider yourself on notice that you have just two more years to start doing the things we elected you to do. If you move one more inch to the "center" or to the right, you will never get our vote again.

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Great move! (2.00 / 1)

Maybe I'll put something like this up over at myFDL. A little "right enuf for ya yet, pwoggies??" movement.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

Right (0.00 / 0)
Well Cenk Uygur said enough that you could probably push at him too.  On that Dylan Ratigan show.  "We're going to war with the Obama White House" and Ratigan said something about a movement too.

Frankly if I had the man power I'd log all the commentators who have said they are done with the Democrats and keep their words on file so I could throw them back against them when they decide to betray those sentiments in eighteen months time.  But perhaps just some of the more prominent people would do.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Cenk said "I'm done" with the Dems and so on. (0.00 / 0)

So the only way to test "I'm done" is to see what Cenk does in the run-up to primary season. So we'll have to wait on him, at least for a little while, then ask: "Okay, Mr. "I'm Done," what concrete stuff are you doing to organize an alternative to the usual RepubliCorp-DemoCorp bullshit in 2012?

But Michael Moore said, 'If you go that rightie way one more inch, I'm gonna spank you, I promise, I'm really gonna do it this time.' So it's reasonable right now to ask MM, 'have the multiple far right moves of just the ten days since the election finally forced you to abandon the Dems in 2012'?

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Right though Cenk did say (5.00 / 1)
if they go after social security he will "Go to war with the Obama White House".

More interesting was his "We'll do Obama without Obama" which is the positive message Dylan Ratigan also spoke of (leaving the "firebrand" Greenwald as the only of them to say nothing like that).

"We'll do Obama without Obama" is maybe a good lead in for recovering Obamabots.  It is perhaps as important as kicking Moore to do his thing, but in Cenk's case I think he'd try anyway.  perhaps the odd reminder as things go along if he isn't coming out with some specifics.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Is this the beginning of yet another Ralph campaign? (0.00 / 0)
RIOTOUS!

Might I suggest instead primarying Obama with Stu Piddy? At least Stu is at least still alive and breathing.....

How long do you and Fairleft keep beating on your limp dicks until you realize you can't get it up?

Brilliant! Lets agitate the pundits on their own blogs!

RIOTOUS!

This "effort" just further proof of Cockburn's (now) timeless quip:

"Blogging is a demobilising force".


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Not sure where you get Ralph Nader from (5.00 / 1)
Nothing I said has anything to do with elections did it?  Did you mean to post that comment elsewhere?

I don't think my goal here is event he slightest bit unachievable.  Pundits have big egos so, yes, you can get to them.  They want to know what people are saying about them and so on.

Blogging is a demobilising force

As opposed to watching TV or playing computer games?  As opposed to taking my dogs for a walk or seeing a movie with my wife?

I would also give that comment more credibility if it said what is a mobilising force or what can influence the people at the top.  Can you provide some context or would that be too "lame"?  

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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"do Obama without Obama" (0.00 / 0)

is a great catchphrase for appealing to the salvageable portion of the Obama wave. But I don't think a really large part of the pro-Obama enthusiasm was based on what Ratigan/Cenk understand to be 'Obama without Obama'. My impression was that the enthusiasm was to a major extent the same kind of stuff that powered the Jonas Bros to big record sales or Jon Stewart to big viewership. Pretty shallow and temporary, and not 'us against the ruling elite' class-based.

But, hell, I could be very wrong: I'm definitely no expert on why people loved Obama so much in 2008.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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I think you're wrong. (4.00 / 1)
But I admit I feel uneasy being the optimist of the two of us.  Seriously when was the last time THAT ever happened?

Obama is great for soul destroying / crushing hope / putting people off voting.  The "Obama without Obama" is a terrific slogan for overcoming that.  I wonder if he thought about it or just off the cuff.  Brilliant wording.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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One clue is the upper-middle-class background of a lot of the pro-Obama (0.00 / 0)

activists. College-age "what's cool, what makes me look smart, what gets me in with the right (careering!) crowd" followers. My crass impression.

Hillary was generally more popular among the 'white working class'. But still, a respectable challenge to Obama needs college campus support, and it's definitely a great slogan.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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"obama without obama" (4.00 / 1)
Really low number of Google hits and most of those have punctuation and mean something else.

"obama without obama" + cenk

has just 43 hits.  good grief (and not quite all of those are the right meaning either).  This meme needs talking up -- for the kids.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Yeah, it does (0.00 / 0)

But always there's a "who's gonna do Obama without Obama"? And will he/she be allowed to do it by the media, blog dictators, and so on.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Dear Mr Moore, (5.00 / 1)
today vice president Biden said that Afghan war was going to be pushed back until at least 2014 and they are escalating there yet again.  The third time since Obama was elected.  This is just another piece of news since the election, evidence of the Democrats moving to the right.  Now you got a bunch of people to sign a petition saying that if the Democrats moved "one more inch" to the right then you would refuse to vote for them again.  Hasn't that already happened?  Maybe you have a different idea of what constitutes moving "one more inch" to the right than I do.  Does this not count?  I know nobody believed him when he said it but Obama did promise he was only escalating the last two times because he was setting a hard limit on withdrawal.  Clearly that promise is now broken.  Is that not moving "one more inch" to the right?  Of course there have been plenty of other stories about Democrats moving to the right since the election.  What do you say?  Have they triggered your promise to not vote Democrat again?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

Dear Mr Moore (0.00 / 0)
Today Obama took another move to the right by announcing a two year pay freeze for all federal employees.  Excuse me -- all civilian federal employees (war is too important to ever have a pay freeze).  As you know this will tend to drive the recession deeper so it's bad economics well as a right wing move.  Obama did not do this as part of any deal with Republicans in congress.  He got nothing in return for it.  It was a free gift to the right.

A few weeks ago you asked a lot of people to sign a petition saying that "we mean business" and promising to never vote for the Democrats again if they moved just "one more inch" to the right.  Well they have moved many inches to the right since then.  What do you say to all this?  Do you mean business?  Will you keep your promise?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Dear Mr Moore (0.00 / 0)
I see this morning that Digby at Hullabaloo has a piece up where it is reported that president Obama is again apologizing to Republicans that he has not been right wing enough.

She says,
"Update II: Ed Henry just said that it's true that President Obama apologized for failing to be bipartisan and promised to work harder to find common ground."
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...

A few days ago Peter Daou said something very similar in response to a different interview with president Obama:
"Read the rest of these excerpts and tell me how you feel about the White House's post-midterm strategy. From my perspective, this interview is a near-complete capitulation to rightwing framing and basically an apology for being a Democrat"
http://peterdaou.com/2010/11/o...

A little while back, you set up a petition saying that you were giving Democrats one last chance and if they moved "one more inch" to the right then you would no longer vote for them.

Have they moved an inch yet?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


I guess two today. (0.00 / 0)
This is getting RIDICULOUS.

Now the DNC is sending out letters asking people to campaign to freeze pay for government workers!
http://news.firedoglake.com/20...

How is this not moving "one more inch" to the right?  Mr Moore you promised that if the Democrats moved just "one more inch" to the right you would have done with them.  Well guess what?  They have.  What is your response?  You said this time we really mean business.  How about it?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Should turn up in comments here: (0.00 / 0)
http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Dear Mr Moore (0.00 / 0)
This is an article by Jane Hamsher on the kabuki negotiations between Democrats and Republicans concerning the extension of the Bush tax cuts.  And she says the fix is in.  A rigged game -- rigged by the Democrats secretly co-operating with the Republicans she thinks.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.c...

President Obama pushed back on a controversial, but politically potent tax cut plan that has knocked Republicans off message in recent days.

A few weeks ago you promised not to support the Democrats any more if they moved "one more inch" to the right.  From what I can see they've moved several inches and are continuing to move right day by day almost.  Certainly week by week since the election.

How about it Mr Moore?  Please keep your promise.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


And another today. (0.00 / 0)
The Democrats are playing games with the unemployed.  They are acting as if the newly elected Republican majority in the House were already in power.  They could easily pass a bill as they already did several times.  For that matter they could have made the coverage for a longer period of time the last time they did pass a bill.

They are playing kabuki here to make sure that the Bush tax cuts for the rich get extended in a "deal" with the Republicans.  It's the Democrats and the Republicans together holding two million Americans hostage.  "Give the rich another trillion dollars or we shoot the unemployed".  it's both parties doing this.  Mr Moore you promised to give up on the Democrats if they moved to the right "one more inch".  Isn't it time to admit that's already happened?

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In this thread:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Tried the Mike's FAQ again (0.00 / 0)
Dear Mr Moore,
On your petition around election time, you threatened to leave the Democratic party.  You said, "If they move one more inch to the "center" or to the right, they will never get our vote again. And we mean business."  

Since the election the Democrats have continued to drift to the right on such issues as the Bush tax cuts extension, the end of the Afghan war and gay rights.  In your opinion have the democrats moved "one more inch" to the right yet?

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The FAQ has a section where you can vote for the question you like the best which I might be able to use but presumably you need to be logged in for that still.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Dear Mr Moore, (0.00 / 0)

Today I hear that Obama is trying to create a new NAFTA-style deal that will SLASH an estimated 159,000 US jobs.  Would you say that was Obama moving "one more inch" to the right?  Please keep your promise to have done with the Democrats Mr Moore.  it is clear that they are going to continue to move further and further to the right.  You said "we mean business".  Do you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Dear Mr Moore, (0.00 / 0)
As you know the Obama regime is investigating bringing charges against the internet attacks by Assange supporters but not investigating the internet attacks on wikileaks own site.  Obama has clearly been leaning heavily on companies to isolate wikileaks.  I assume the regime is also behind the "rape" charges in Sweden.  Doesn't all this count as Obama moving "one more inch" to the right?

Haven't the Democrats just proven that they are basically worse than Republicans?  Under Bush with a Republican majority in both houses the rich couldn't get their tax cuts made permanent.  Now under Obama with Democratic super majorities in both houses the rich are doing better.  Obama is more of a Republican than Bush was.  They have certainly "moved one more inch" to the right since you made your promise to never vote for Democrats again if they moved "one more inch" to the right.

What do you say Mr Moore?  It is time for you to keep your promises.  You said "we mean business" when you promised to never vote for the Democrats again if they moved "one more inch" to the right.  Well they completely ignored your ultimatum so now the question is did you mean what you said?  Will you keep your promise?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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