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A Tale of Two Pities

by: vox humana

Mon May 04, 2009 at 23:47:18 PM EDT


It was the best of crimes, it was the worst of crimes.

A local television station just had an interesting report about local contractors. Due to hard times, it seems many of "small-time" home contractors are not keeping their licenses and insurance current. The result would be that if they were injured at your home, you and your homeowner's insurance company would be liable.

As is often the case with local television stations, the reporter identified this problem, created the appropriate "Call for Action" and proceeded to film a state sting operation. This is the sort of thing I adamantly oppose for many reasons, but this time I saw something I had never seen before.

vox humana :: A Tale of Two Pities
The first contractor, as one comes to expect with these sorts of reports, denied every charge that was leveled at him. In fact and rather comically, in his interview (how can people in such situations agree to be interviewed? I don't get it) he claimed to be a car dealer who was there to mow the lawn. He made this absurd claim while occasionally looking the reporter (and the "audience") right in the eyes.

The second contractor featured, however, was quite a different story. Sitting at a couch, his head was bowed in embarrassment. It seems this man had claimed someone else's license number as his own; his license had expired two years ago. When asked if he did this he said quite simply that he did, and he did it because the economy was bad and he needed the work. When asked if he knew it was illegal to do so he again admitted he did know this. He too looked the reporter in the eyes but while admitting wrongdoing. The reporter told us in her "wrap" that after the interview, he went and renewed his license - he had never had any complaints against him and and had no violations.

Is it wrong that by the end of the report I found myself rooting for him? Apparently he will face no charges as he immediately made amends.

I have to say that, contrary to these usual sting stories, state officials seemed quite understanding of why these contractors are doing this. Two different people from the licensing agency acknowledged the hard times these small businesspeople face and that under the dire economic circumstances people can "cut corners" without considering the consequences.

Score one for honesty, forgiveness and second chances. I would hope, under those circumstances, all his clients will come back or continue to support him.

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Who doesn't love second chances? (3.67 / 3)
Does an admission of wrongdoing and action to make amends return him to his previous status among contractors? How long do you think he would be on "public probation" as a result of his actions and his public confession? What if he had quietly done the right thing without public announcement or explanation? Would it be the same?

The question then becomes: Under such circumstances, how many times should his clients allow him to make the same error if he were inclined to repeat this offense?


i wonder (3.50 / 2)
what was in it for him to do that interview? some bad publicity?

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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Apparently not. (3.00 / 3)
Apparently his need to tell everyone of his actions overrode his immediate concerns, which "should" have been paramount.

Then again... people are more likely to hire him than the others, aren't they?

Either way, the one who was straightforward "won." The Prodigal Son....


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"Who doesn't love second chances?" (0.00 / 0)
It's wrong that you left fsz.

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Well, there's wrong... (3.00 / 4)
...and then there's right.

I don't really have any strong feeling on what you did one way or the other
I really don't care.
There was a very adequate rationale for doing what you did.

Vox Human, 4ked, Supersoling, and a few others have gone out of their way to show what hypocrites they are in the most laughable way possible.  They'll find a reason to fault Laura eventually, or maybe her blog is okay even if someone is banned because it's not called Free Speech Zone.  

Honestly, Vox is the most laughable in all of this.   I hate to say that because he's one of the people I respected most here and the one who asked me to join here to discuss things off of DKos, or at least suggested it.   I don't think I could possibly be a more sanctimonious holier than though hypocritical prick if I tried in comparison to what he's posted thus far at Laura's place.

Seriously, what the fuck does he want?  A goddamned free fire zone?  Cuz that ain't what free speech is about.  It makes me think of playing GTA 4 online in free play.... where there's always that one prick in the landscape who just sits on the roof of a skyscraper with his RPG and shoots rockets at everyone while he sits on a roof..... no point other than to be there and kill just to sit back and laugh.   Has nothing to do with the actual game.... just sits back to kill.   That's DT, Noom, and a few others.

But, god forbid anyone call them out while everyone else is down on the ground staking out a position to play the game as everyone understands it to be.

Not that I haven't staked out that spot on the roof from time to time, nearly everyone who has posted here has done exactly that.  But when that's all someone does?  Fuck em.  Vox is OOOOHHH MY GOOODD!!!! you told someone they can't stand on a roof and kill everyone the second they come to life!!!!!  You are ruining the game and I'm leaving this game because you destroyed the game.

That is idiocy defined.
by: Lauren S @ Mon May 04, 2009 at 02:44:51 AM EDT

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I agree with you, it was COMPLETELY wrong of vox humana to have left FSZ.  What was he thinking?


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It's probably better (4.00 / 1)
to leave comments from there over there. Why turn this into any more of a crazy cross-blog brouhaha than it already is?

That comment was made in anger, it appears. It does not accurately represent my position, nor do I think was it intended to.


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Revision can stay over there, as well. (3.00 / 3)
Your being characterized as 'wrong' for having taken a principled stand will not pass without comment from me. Sorry.  Hell, vox, you even made a return.  Completely unfair characterization.  I have no desire to fan the flames over here -- considering my VERY vocal protestations on FSZ wrt the circumstances which started this meta, I have been uncharacteristically reserved over here.  However, d3n4l1's comment was SELECTIVE in the extreme in its criticism.  I respectfully suggest that before commentators begin throwing out accusations of 'wrong' over here, they best take a good hard look at what is being said over there and apply the same critical standards.

That comment was made in anger, it appears. It does not accurately represent my position, nor do I think was it intended to.

What comment HASN'T been made in anger...and supported in the moment by others?


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in that case it would be more accurate to ask (3.60 / 5)
"who doesn't love fourth or fifth chances?"

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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Why do you say that? (2.50 / 2)
I said I would leave if people were banned at that site. They were. I did. It's simple.

No, it doesn't make me happy. Jack appears to be trying to explain something about what happened in the last month, but somehow he keeps going back to the dfq episode and I'm not getting the connection. But that's for him and me to discuss if he still cares to. If not, that's okay too. I don't think of myself as obtuse, but it must be frustrating to him to feel he is explaining something and I'm just not getting it.

At this point it just seems to be aggravating people all the way around. I'm sorry you feel it was wrong of me to leave. I don't see how I could have stayed, and after I read what people are saying there now I really don't see much reason to return if my view is not welcome.

I meant what I said in my last diary I wrote there:

From all I can gather from the voluminous comment record, all each person wants is the right to type what they want, when they want, as they want. Why not just agree to start from there? It's where we began, after all.

There are only a few sites at which I can contribute; the time I can spend online is very inconsistent. I have one spot reserved in my heart and at my keyboard for a no-holds-barred discussion site. fsz was that for a while and it was a lot of fun for many of us. It seems clear it wasn't much fun at all for Jack towards the end lately for whatever reasons that seem to have to do with e-mails. I still don't understand what happened, but one thing is very clear to me: Nobody should expect anyone to run a place in a way they don't enjoy.

As I said to Jack, he really seems to long for a way to put together a site that might create real social action and change. I hope he keeps working for that; I remember a few months ago he had some really good ideas going in that direction. I read he may have some friends from school coming to join fsz this Summer. They, too, look as if they have some interesting things that they are doing. Wouldn't that be a great site? That might be something I would consider contributing to, if he would have me.

I already contribute to a couple of sites where the social interaction is similar to how it appears to be at fsz now. I really can't spend a lot of time at many more than three places.

I appreciate your telling me how you feel "to my face" so to speak. That's the honest thing to do. I'd be interested in your expanding on it if you care to. If not, I understand.


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jacks not mature enough to run anything (3.00 / 2)
at this point.  too scattered.

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always check license and insurance to see if it's current. (4.00 / 1)
2 lousy phone calls.  Another scam is to get a year's worth of insurance, get a certificate and then cancel.  You gotta get a fresh cert.  If they won't give you the number of their insurance agent, they don't have insurance.

We're all trusting and lazy though from time to time.

If you're smart, you make a third call to the BBB and google.  If you're real smart, you actually check references.  Some of these dumb buggers actually give out references of people that they've screwed ....


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