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by: donkeytale

Sun Feb 28, 2010 at 11:27:11 AM EST


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There was no antiwar movement in Spokane in 1967, so Otvos downplayed that aspect in order to push his other issues, which remain unclear to me. Drug education? Drugs as liberation devices? Who the fuck can remember what the hippie memes were anyway, after all these years and all of the technological enhancements in marijuana agriculture that have taken place?

[:o)

But, give Otvos his props for some hippie outreach into the conservative hinterlands, circa 1967. Look upon this episode from the dimlit past as a teaching moment.

Outreach is required for anything resembling pwoggie ideology to ever regain anything like its former industrial strength.

However, outreach would take RL courage and sacrifice, so the chances of pwogs and fakeleftists (yes, Laura, Failreft, Super, et al are mere pwogs playing at a bastardized, white trash form of online leftism, hence the term 'fakeleft') actually making any RL effort are nil.

This is where pwoggies are today: bunched together on islands, reinforcing their 'superiority' only amongst themselves, while the rest of the world ignores them and moves the change meme as far right as it can possibly go...because they find zero resistance. All the potential opposition is stuck on these uncharted islands, see?

The right woos left ideology has won something, but its not first place yet in anything.

Midterm 2010 may begin to tell a different story.

I dont see paid fakes as much as I see delusional looosers who can't come to grips with reality or the exertion required to move the political pile even a few inches left.

So, no Laura, there is no "genuine" left, at least in the whiteysphere.

I'm more convinced of the belief everyday that fakeleft internet pwogs such as Failreft need to shed their self-misidentification as "left" and join in the wider revolt that is brewing amongst the unwashed non-pwogs. Their issues overlap in the classic petit bourgeois mindset of the paranoid little white guy, anyway. They have nothing to loooose but their imaginary chains.

Infiltrate the teabag movement, iow.

Politics is about attaining political power, pyrrhiod. Endless theorizing, criticism and whining, which is the nihilistic specialty of the fakeleft, is simply not revolutionary. Its reactionary. Ask, uhhhm, Marx if you dont believe me.

The significance of Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism bears an inverse relation to historical development. In proportion as the modern class struggle develops and takes definite shape, this fantastic standing apart from the contest, these fantastic attacks on it, lose all practical value and all theoretical justification. Therefore, although the originators of these systems were, in many respects, revolutionary, their disciples have, in every case, formed mere reactionary sects.

A vigourous teaparty movement including the 7-10% of the population that is teh disaffected pwogs is a winning plurality in many a 3 way race.

Outside the Pwoggie ghettoes, that is, for inside we will still be blessed with the assured re-election of the same ol dinosaurs we know and don't love.

Disaffected Pwogs in coalition are at least alive and breathing. They mite even influence some of the Teabaggers of the libertarian persuasion...particularly if the economy continues to turn sour and rugged individualism doesnt get you fed. Even Alex Jones' stormfront larder will empty, eventually.

Disaffected Pwogs in isolated purity are caged rats, huddled together for warmth and waiting only for the teabags' sponsors to deliver the razor wire packaging in order to formalize the new paradigm.

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Left Woos Right in a paid disinfo campaign, iow (3.00 / 1)
yeah, thats the ticket.

Get Tejano on the phone, stat!

[:o)


Hal Turner was paid (1.00 / 1)
Paystubs are there to prove it.

Cointelpro was real.  

I admit it's pointless to call this and that paid fakes without paystubs. I always get a bad rap on that. Holland does too. Though maybe if Francis wasn't so stubborn about saying Kos worked for the CIA....

But then again, why can't someone say Kos worked for them based on his own words?

The white trash here likes to spin Eric as being the infamous donkeytail. Not to be confused with donkeytale, the author of this diary. But they have no proof. These are the same people who have given me shit from the first time I arrived at the DKos soapblox offshoots. Maybe Laura is Lauren S. Lauren disappeared for a long time, as Laura increased her presence here. But unlike those cheating debaters, I don't say I'm sure they are the same person. That's the key difference.

I think donkeytail was none other than MBNYC. Yes, you heard it. I think he was trying to appear as Dave and make him look bad by linking to porn. No one hated Dave more, not even the infamous Lord MajorFlaw.

That kind of cheating strategy has been put in place against me time after time after time. And even after some more time after that.

I think but am not sure that the Cindy Lauper tune Time After Time was either about me or Al Franken.

Otvos' Hippie Mission is a strange historical footnote. I agree with donkeytale that it doesn't make much sense what he was truly up to. He wasn't into drug use but was all about spreading info about drugs? I mean, the guy was either a cointelpro intern or a useful idiot. There is plenty o'circumstantial evidence that Otvos is a paid fake a la Hal Turner. He's just more nuanced than Hal's blatant neonazi schtick. And no paystub has been recovered as of yet.

That's the beauty of Hal Turner. The fricken sassa frassa paystub. And wtf was the FBI doing sending him to Brazil to infiltrate the Aryan Something Movement? I thought the FBI was the top police force for the USA. That smells like the CIA, not the FBI. Maybe such ratfinks put on the FBI uniforms, because if the CIA was shown to be playing psyops on the American people, all hell would break loose, as for example, good old doormats socrates and Francis would be in a position to say we told you so. Na na na ne na nah. Smell u later. p:>

Right woos left is real. It's been thoroughly exposed. And this blog is right at the forefront. Though it's not as successful a blog, nor are MLW or FSZ, as they should have been. Even DKOS is a mere shell of once it was. This place is also much more about Joo hate than Holocaust denial. Or as Otvos tries to frame it, if only the Joos had acted differently, they wouldn't have been targeted by the Nazis. That's the ticket. Why I oughta. Gilligan!

To repeat, what you get from these places is not so much Holocaust denial. That is to be found via sites such as Rivero's and Alex Jones', the types that get a free ride from this place. That Tejano gets such a free ride from FSZ and Pffugee should tell you the good people something. Even Otvos has written glowing praise for Ron Paul. Just look at the shite Fakereft has posted. More Big Brother for urban areas. No to affirmative action. Huey Long was a great man. Richard Nixon was the last liberal. Hat tip to donkeytale.

DonkDude, I guess you missed Otvos saying that Stack's actions were heroic. I'm thinking part of the reason Lord Byron cut back on his blogging is that he realised he crossed the line with his Aiming Higher comment. Otvos clearly messed up by calling Stack a hero. He didn't couch his words good enough. It was a FAIL in that he called the flying of an aircraft into a government building heroic. That was a cointelpro-like statement.

I also think his words to Francis Holland back in 2006 were striking in their implications.

From: Ormond Otvos
To: Francis Holland
Monday, December 4, 2006

Interesting exchange. I've followed a few like this.

Do you think you're damaging Hillary, [yet]?

If you don't care, the project collapses, making you look like a Republican agent.

I've changed the tags three times already. You're stirring things up too much. I suspect banning will occur at this point.

Ormond


WTF?

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Silly distortions #7. You need a girlfriend. (0.00 / 0)
Without context it's a con.

Anonymous asswipe.


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I don't think O denies the holocaust. (3.00 / 1)
I think he doesn't like that it's become a shibboleth.

"Holocaust" was the worst possible choice of words for it, BTW.  My Greek is weak, but "holocaust" means "annihilation by FIRE"  The Holocaust is Israel's destination, not its origin.

(Correct me, O, if I'm putting words in your mouth).


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looks like yer putting yer dick in his mouth (0.00 / 0)
the holocaust is yo mama'z destination....the grand pronouncment that holocaust was a bad choice of words has been poot forth here by the bot egg layer hisslef zodiac killa! all denounce this flea, pea brained sociopath!

here hear!

jesus thatz revolutionary, trailblazing insight zodiac killa, eye'm stunned by your visionary alacrity with ideas and concepts!

eye'll tell ya whatz become a gd shibbelth for you gd goyim tho. the fake assertion that the holocaust has become a shibboleth for jews.

 


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Yes, I think victimology isn't a good tactic, gz. (4.00 / 1)
I'm noting the classic techniques socrates is using to cover his tracks.

Thanks for the support. Clarity. I'm amused, I guess is one way to put it, at the weird pathways socrates mind takes. It's a symptom. Since I know the context of all this stuff he's quoting, and I've, of course, googled myself, I can see what he's leaving out. Interesting, sort of a case history of swiftboating, to use the current term.

Makes me wonder if HE's the paid agent?


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victimology (0.00 / 0)
is the gd Arabs raison d'etre!

the biggest whiners in the history of da whirlled?

the gd palestinians. mornin noon and night wailing aboot the fact that they lost the gd war to murder the native jews! and are still losing. you cannot defeat the jews, itz not possible, not when the jews are living in jewville calling the shots for the first time in their history. poot all them brains together and you've got a gd brainiac monster the likes the world has neva seen! and the gd goyim fear the collective brilliance of da jewish mind!

and btw, the destination for the gd palestinians is a gd holocaust!

whoot have these gd whiners accomplished? not a gd thing.

Israelis and jews on the udder hand have forged ahead in every field to the benefit of humankind! science art, =medicine, technology etc!

all hail the great people! da Jews!


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Knowledge is good. I agree. (0.00 / 0)

Subscribing to the genocide of the Amalekites isn't.

I can approve a love of learning without approving love of bloody myths, I presume?

Are you a believer in myths?


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OK, Laura, here's my response to yur peace offer: (3.67 / 3)
Maybe we can call a truce of declared aporpoiseness. My ideology allows it, will yours?

I will call truce if you show good faith "aporpoiseness" by agreeing to reinstate Peeder's non-ideological front page philosophy of including all dairies, not just the ones of which you approve, including call-outs, META, conservative, pwoggie, teabag, Socrates, everything, excepting the usual porn, outing, libel, and spam diaries. Spam meaning the narrow definition of spam.  

Deal?


Surely, (3.00 / 3)
we could have a "bugnuts" category for socrates?

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Not necessary. I assigned Socrates his own category..... (3.67 / 3)
[:o)

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This isn't about me (2.50 / 2)
It's about Al Franken. p:>

But seriously, it makes sense to give all of us a fakereft fair shake with the frontpage.

And to Noom, what's up with your word assiduating. I just googled it, and you have some company. Though I'm scared to click on those other links.

http://www.google.com/search?q...

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Afraid you're on them? (0.00 / 0)
That could be arranged, I think.

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let me know when (1.00 / 1)
the 16 year old girl's myspace page shows up. Talk about a twisted sister! That's just one of the many interesting persona's that can be connected to Jeffie Boy.

"May we live long and die out"

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I'm not shadowthief/the bloggingcurmudgeon (0.00 / 0)
You look foolish to keep repeating that. As for the link provided by SnotFace, it's best to read those types in their original forms, otherwise quotes from others are blended into posts.

There's a long list of people I've been accused of being. I thank dumbasses like this for continuing to go with that angle. It backs up proof I've collected elsewhere that a cybersmear script was put in place against me. Supergump trolled me pretty badly at FSZ and MLW. The truth about the Connell hoax shows that he has been the fool, while I have shined as a blogger. Or at least contributed some half decent stuff.

I'm not saying supergump is a part of that. He might truly just be the village idiot. Gump is around year after year after year adding nothing but noise.  

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blahblahblahblahblaaaaaaaahhhhh (0.00 / 0)
who said anything about shadowthief? Dipshit.

"May we live long and die out"

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What personae asshole? (1.00 / 1)
And you have accused me of being shadowthief in the past. There was some accusation against him that he was acting out being young females. I don't create personae. You're an ugly man, Supergump. Inside and out. You're an outright liar.  

These people are some of the most sadistic creeps in the world. They appear to be borderline suicidal. The FBI should definitely keep an eye on Ormond Otvos for calling Stack's actions heroics. LauraJohn and SuperGump are mere pimples in the overall fabric of a confused internet. They seem more likely to hurt themselves than others.

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I noticed socrates lives close to ender, who gets banned also.... (5.00 / 3)
Hmmm. This is fun. Makes me sound like a meth freak, though. Hmmm. Wonder if that's what's driving all this web research.
Hmmm. All of these sentences are ending up the same length.
It must be chemtrails. No, it's raining. Doesn't matter. THEY are using waterproof chemicals. Hmmm. Better start a forum for it. All the other forums are fake. Hmmm. Woo rights left.

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Whereas you're so prolific, the film's already out (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
You nailed it. How long did you look for that clip? (0.00 / 0)


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except for META, i agree (4.50 / 2)
Laura's anti-META, and so there ya go. You being all-META, that's a handicap for ya, but you can adjust.

First diary for you: "donkeytails of my RL left woos right activism." Subtitle: 'Put Up or Shut Up 1'.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Number 1: Reaching out to three business associates, all right wingers (4.50 / 2)
(I live in texas) and persuading them to become involved in criminal justice reform, using the Willingham execution as reported in the New Yorker as a subtext. This was the now famous arson investigation which even when totally debunked, Gov Perry refused a stay of execution, not to mention a pardon.

My entire life here is left woos right. I don't live on Fakeleft Island. One of the three mentioned is active in FreedomWorks, the Tea bag movement's leading edge. This how I know your politics is more rightist then leftist. The matching nativism, racism and reflexive Obama hatred is stunningly similar.

Laura does front page META, when she feels like it. Basically, she is a less coherent version of MSOC. Oddly, Mattyjack does the best job of emulating Peeders front paging, which was all about teh Meta. Mattyjack, unfortunately, is also a virtual MSOC in drag of dramaqueenism.

Navel gazing, and arguments among factions, is historically essential to leftism. See Marx, Trotsky as two obvious examples of criticisers of the movement.

Oh thats, right, yur not into Marx or Trotsky.....Huey Long leftist arent you?

Waiting yur first diary of activism of any kind. Hows the union organizing of yur fellow cube drones working out?

Did you organize yur kidz into a boycott of Disneyworld last summer?



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Criminal justice reform in Texas isn't leftist, it's just sanity (3.33 / 3)
Yeah, stay with those NPR 'safe pwoggie' issues, that's the way to avoid the big and real left-right issues. Not putting to death innocent people is common sense and not a left woos right issue.

Instead . . .

Argue for the law that would've made it easier for unions to organize in Texas and the rest of the U.S. Tell them how bad NAFTA has been for U.S. unions. And tell your businessmen friends we need to reduce immigration so it squeezes employers to raise wages, which have been going down for several decades for the bottom half. Argue for another huge stimulus package, this one targeted at infrastructure and jobs and not tax breaks for businesses. Argue about the U.S. military ending its violent occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Dissuade them from the hysteria-based belief (that they share with 71% of Americans) that Iran already has 'the bomb'.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
Purrfect. NAFTA a Tea Party issue and criminal justice reform is also not an issue with them (5.00 / 1)
because prison doesnt affect lily white petit bourgeois asses like you.

I'm serious dude. you are a teapartier. And yur not alone...you have nuthing to looose but yur ear elephants.

Check this out:

http://miteaparty.com/blog/tra...

Yur natural constituency awaits you....

RIOTOUS! The entire whiteysphere doesn't know itself....


[ Parent ]
More NAFTA-icity for the Fakeleft: (5.00 / 1)
http://www.teapartypatriots.or...

Ron Paul (George and Ringo)!

[:o)

Wake the fook up, failreft! You truly are the dumbest of the dumb...an unpaid fake!

Dont be afraid, dude. Your among friends, here. There's truly no shame in admitting who you are.

Sorta reminds me of my first gay experience only in a poltical context. You too can come out of the closet, Mr. Republikkkan T. Party Man.

RIOTOUS!!!!!!!!


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Either yer a paid fake or you're delusional. (1.00 / 1)
Ever notice the lack of evidence under your assertions? Well, no, since, lacking evidence, you're not even sure what yer assertions are. Makes it easier to slime away from actually having to defend anything.

Now, what the hell are you saying? NAFTA is good cuz non-corporate but loony righties think it's bad? Well, that concept's just plain stupid from formation, so don't even bother working some structure into it. NAFTA is bad cuz it's bad, for Mexico's economy and for the bottom 2/3rds of us her in the States. Yes, I suppose it might be good for the thin layer at the top that runs the U.S. govt, and there's some trickle down from that.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
NAFTA is both good and bad, like capitalism. Yet, no other system has approximated its ability to generate and spread wealth among a growing middel class. (5.00 / 1)
NAFTA has increased trade, wealth, and living standards across the continent. It led to the formation of a thriving middle class in northern Mexico.

This is not an endorsemnt, but its the truth.

You trade in "feelings" not facts, black and white, not nuance, simplemindedness not complexity. No amount of evidence will move you if it doesnt match yur pre-conditioned bias.

Yur a teabagger!

The evidence for this fact abounds, it manifests itself in yur own words and political beliefs, but of course, as a fascist mentality you will deny any truth which doesnt fit yr rigid ideological prejudice.

You can deny all day long, but yur little white guy issues match up with the teabaggs all too well. Nativist, racist tendencies. Petit Bourgeois paranoia. Anti-union in reality, pro-union as part of a con, a mouthing of empty slogans. Other proto nazi attributes include anti-semitism, racism, conspiracy theorizing, overtly expressed sympathy for current world fascist regimes.

Why not Ron Paul 4 u? Affter all, he is the quintessential little white guy.

Paul/Kucinich on the Little White Guy party platform, in 2012! Yeah thats the ticket....


[ Parent ]
And I agree, Laura should be consistently (2.33 / 3)
anti-meta, or let it all in.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
SnoreMond Snotvos: Now Featured On Gilligan's FailFake Reft Island!!!! (1.00 / 1)
That was funny stuff, especially at the end. Huey Long leftist arent you?

Ormond is probably packing his bags for Bellevue, as noom suggested he should do. He knows it was wrong to praise someone for flying a plane into a building. Only idiots and FBI paid internet punks like Hal Turner say such things

Now Snotty's all flustered. He's saying the paper made it up that they weren't into protesting the Vietnam War. Truth is Ormond was no hippie back then. He's a Hitler wannabee. He's always considered himself some sort of great thinker, He thinks he's better than you, Joe and Jane Public. He didn't have the brains for a tough subject like physics, so he tried to turn the social sciences into a hard science. I bet he failed at all academics. Where are his degrees, books, and tenure? He got banned for damned good reasons from Daily Kos. Once in a while that happens.  

Now Gzodik is sticking up for SnoreMond Snotvos, saying gee chucks, I don't think I done hear SnottyBreath ever deny the Holocaust. And what a retarded word that is. It's Greek for fire death. It's Israel's destination. Not it's origin. Get me Colonel Klink immediately!

A form of Holocaust denial is questioning the numbers more than usual. Who does that? Neonazis and propagandists. Ormond does too. He says the Holocaust is overblown, that the numbers are disputed. Though try to get Snotvos to give you a number of how many Jews he thinks were killed by the Nazis. I haven't seen that. He has been shown to be a Jew hater and a hater in general. He doesn't sound like a hippie. What hippie would have supported Ron Paul? What hippie would have downplayed the Vietnam War back in 1967? What hippie would have sent that oddly worded letter to Holland? Otvos' shit smells extra bad than that of the rest of us, even FakeReft and LauraJohn. Even Lord Byron's. He's the most pathetic of all sophist ideologues. Extra ugly too. A puke level of ugliness. You know his wife has to be one of the ugliest mutts on the planet.

It wasn't really a mission to bring together hippies in a conservative stronghold. It was about Ormond doing his part to ruin the Hippie Movement. Anyone can look at what he's written over the years, read what the paper reported, and realise this is no stinking hippie. Butt Ugly yes, but not the granola part. Unless of course maybe he is insane. That's another possiblity. The world definitely sucks worse than it would because of people like Ormond Otvos. Now go donate to Wikipedia! That makes sense! You'll bring a smile to Ormond the provocateur. Hmmm. Maybe Ormond serviced 4ky and Gzodik back in the day when they were homeless teens in Spokane. Maybe that's why they get a kick out of his bullshit schtick. Problem is Ormond was 26. A failed student. A "Hippie" not against the War. How can one be against a war, if they didn't consider it one? Ormond Otvos is a piece of shit fake lefty. He is certainly no progressive. This website is full of people who are posing as lefties. That's why this forum will never succeed. Nope. Not happening. Never will. Laura's a piece of shit. She'll never allow fairness here. It's all slanted. Nothing free speech about this place. Colbert would call it free speechiness.

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Must be a failure blog. You're here, after getting booted everywhere. (0.00 / 0)
Spent a little time following your wormy buttwipe around the forums. You ARE a piece of work, jeffie. But winters are hard, and the trees bare. I guess you can't afford to move somewhere nice, even if you were loose enough to. gis.net was helpful though. I still have friends at MIT who did me a little favor.

Will you be spinning into irrelevance and squishability here, too?


[ Parent ]
We did sponsor anti-Vietnam actions, and encouraged them. (3.00 / 3)

Don't believe everything a newspaper rookie writes.

I remember the interview.
Much subtlety was simplified.

I had just come from a decade in SF.

I hadn't yet adjust to the hinterlands way of thought.

Socrates (what irony!) is reteaching me about how to talk to the mentally deficient.


Snotvos expects people to consider himself a reliable source (1.00 / 1)
But the truth's out there. He said Stack's actions were heroic. That makes him a douchebag. He supported Ron Paul, that makes him a fake lefty. He's been caught making anti-Jewish and racist comments. He has written things that back up what was written about Hippie Mission, that he's part and parcel of the FailFakeRefty Movement!

I'm curious why he was pressuring Francis Holland in that letter. Was Snotty involved in an operation to make Hillary look bad, but not to the point people would think his group are comprised of freeper trolls? Oh Noes!!11!111!!!!! [/mipmop]



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[ Parent ]
I'm calling you Twisted, Sister (4.00 / 1)
I mean,

(* Jesse Jackson alert *)

this shit is a bot-like devolution from your usually resplendent convolution.

You get this

So, no Laura, there is no "genuine" left, at least in the whiteysphere.

From this?

I know we're fucked. You'd like to believe that there's some 'genuine' left, which doesn't.

Fucking bot!

Yeah. And Peeder didn't frontpage your every fart either.


Bot? (0.00 / 0)
Is that the internet "bot", or the parasitic fly that lays eggs under your skin?  Either way, right on, sister!

[ Parent ]
Hey, 'Outreach King', set us an example. (2.33 / 3)
Outreach is required for anything resembling pwoggie ideology to ever regain anything like its former industrial strength.


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

I'm a centrist Demotard, remember? An Obamabot....Its you, man... (5.00 / 1)
You are the man of the moment. This is yur time to put action behind all of yur endless ad nauseum....the time is now. The place is here.

Show us all, oh great one, what it is you are made of....

just don't make us smell what it is you are made of....

[:o)


[ Parent ]
I'm a reporter and alternative pundit, (2.00 / 2)
another whiner on the internet. I may be other things, but I couldn't be more obvious about the preceding fact, having stated it many times and having invented the now iconic term 'whineysphere'. So yer claim I see is that yer exactly the same, as of course we all have known forever. Yes, that's right, you're my comrade, another citizen of the whineysphere.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Exclusive Footage from the Revolution: (5.00 / 1)


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