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Iran just wants simultaneous exchange

by: fairleft

Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 15:12:07 PM EST


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The crux of the U.S.-Iran conflict is that Iran doesn't trust Russia and in particular France, that when it sends its low-enriched uranium there it will come back as 20% enriched or at all. So, Iran wants simultaneous exchange of low-enriched uranium for 20% enriched uranium, but the West refuses that without explanation. And so, here we are, on the propaganda path to bombing Iran. From Reuters:

Salehi [Ali Akbar Salehi, head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization] said Iran would stop producing 20 percent enriched uranium if it received reactor fuel from abroad instead.

But he made clear Tehran was not backing down on its demand for a simultaneous exchange, a condition unlikely to be accepted by the major powers involved in efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the long-running dispute.

fairleft :: Iran just wants simultaneous exchange
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"The uranium can be under the custody of the agency (IAEA) in Iran and it could be sealed ... until the time we receive the 20 percent enriched fuel from outside," Salehi said.

"If they come forward and supply the fuel then we will stop this process of 20 percent enrichment," he added.

Press TV quoted Salehi as saying Iran had decided to produce higher-grade uranium because Western nations refused to supply the fuel Iran needs for its medical reactor.

It said the reactor produces isotopes "crucial for life saving medical care to more than 850,000 Iranian patients."

What Salehi says is accurate and unchallenged: the radioactive isotopes are essential for treating cancer patients.

So what is really going on here? Why not simply do the exchange under the conditions Iran imposes? Allen Quicke, editor of atimes.net, has the following take:

Now, let's cut to the chase. Iran is not going to simply hand over its LEU on the six powers' terms, but more importantly, it is not going to surrender its right under international treaty to enrich uranium. The US is not going to acknowledge Iran's right to enrich uranium. Neither side is going to budge from these fundamental positions. Both have made this very clear many times. . . .

All this ongoing talking at each is not intended by either side to lead to any kind of compromise. Its purpose, on the US side, is to try to demonstrate Iran's intransigence so that if or when military action becomes "unavoidable", Washington can spin it thus: "We tried everything [except compromise] and gave them every chance. Now our patience is exhausted. Iran is a threat to world peace ..."

The potentially ominous fact is that sanctions won't work, because they haven't in the past, and Iran is still a large market, has a long impossible to monitor border, and possesses attractive natural resources. And of course, there is also China. Read Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett on that:

China Cannot Be Ignored on Iran or Other Major Global Issues
Posted on February 9th, 2010

Amidst the bravado surrounding President Ahmadinejad's announcement that Iran will start enriching uranium to 20 per cent purity, the Financial Times reported yesterday that China has passed the European Union as Iran's largest trading partner.

According to the FT, China's annual trade with Iran is more than $36.5 billion and consists primarily of swapping Chinese consumer goods and machinery for Iranian oil, gas, and petrochemicals. The article also noted that China now relies on Iran for 11 percent of its energy needs.

The finding is indicative of a broader trend: China's growing willingness to work with the Islamic Republic, despite objections from the United States and Europe. . . .

. . . a key aspect of coping with China's rise will be to acknowledge that many policies will be ineffective without Chinese support.

A policy of isolation and coercive sanctions on the Islamic Republic is one of those policies. It is foolish to pretend otherwise.

More on the ineffectiveness of sanctions from Asiatimes.com:

"I am not holding my breath that these sanctions will work," Boroujerdi [Mehrzad Boroujerdi, an Iran expert at Syracuse University] told Inter Press Service. "It's really hard to sanction an oil-rich state that has something that the rest of the world needs." Boroujerdi sees the ongoing smuggling activity conducted through the country's borders as another factor that could challenge the success of sanctions.

Many experts are deeply skeptical about the effectiveness of sanctions and consider them a failure in general. Although the US and its allies have spoken of "smart sanctions" mostly aimed at Iran's military institutions, such as the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and its affiliate businesses, there is a lot of doubt as to whether a sanctions policy could bring an end to Iran's nuclear program.

The US has imposed a ban on US companies dealing with Iran for the past three decades but, in effect, the sanctions are considered largely ineffective as the Islamic Republic has looked elsewhere for business. . . .

As a deal between Iran and the West appears far-fetched at this point, calls for regime change and use of force against Iran are on the rise. Richard Haas, head of the Council on Foreign Relations, in an article entitled "Enough is Enough", called on the Obama administration to work for regime change in Iran, a policy former president George W Bush unsuccessfully pursued for years.

Daniel Pipes, a neo-conservative, has called for bombing Iran, saying it was a way for Obama to "salvage his tottering administration" and protect the US and its allies.

David Kenner lists for us all the people who now want to bomb Iran. Quick and dirty, they're basically the same Dr. Strangeloves who got the U.S. into the Iraq nightmare. I don't know if I'd put Secretary of Defense Robert Gates or President Obama on that list yet, but the following headline is not reassuring, considering the near impossibility that sanctions will be effective:

Gates Hopes Iran Sanctions Will Avoid Military Action
Al Pessin | Paris 08 February 2010

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he hopes strong international sanctions on Iran will forestall the need for a military strike designed to end the country's chances of developing a nuclear weapon.  Gates spoke in Paris, where he and his French counterpart Herve Morin agreed it is time for sanctions after months of diplomatic overtures from the West have not had any impact on Iranian leaders. . . .

"Everybody's interest is in seeing this issue resolved without a resort to conflict," he said.  "The key is persuading the Iranian leaders that their long-term best interests are best served by not having nuclear weapons, as opposed to having them.  And so I think that an approach along these lines, as long as the international community is seen pressing vigorously to resolve this problem, my hope is we will then be able to keep this in economic and diplomatic channels."

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Follow the Obamalite stupidity at Dailykos (4.00 / 2)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

You can vote on the fuckcing poll question even if you're banned. Good stupid reading there. Keep an eye on Kimball Cross, for ex:

Here's what I know about uranium. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Rich in PA

U-235 is fissionable, and can be used in reactors or bombs.

U-238 is not.

U-238 is far more common than U-235, so some sort of purification process is needed to raise the percentage of U-235 to the point where it can be fissionable.

Uranium needs to be 2-3 percent U-235 for a reactor. For a nuclear bomb, the percentage rises to at least 80.

So if Iran is in a technical position to purify it's uranium to 20 percent U-235, they are clearly aiming to make a bomb. There's no use for 20 percent U-235 except as a step to something else. However, even at 20 percent, they are still a long way from 80.

The repeated dire predictions that Iran is on the verge of having a nuclear device are very premature, but there is a distinct possibility of it in the future.

Hey stupid, 20% enrichment is standard for the medical isotopes used to treat fucking cancer, you uninformed paranoid lunatic.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Actually, Kimball Cross acquitted himself very well (0.00 / 0)
Admitted he was wrong and hadn't read the diary (very well). Very cool and rare that kind of admitting thing.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
If a war isn't waged against the techno-propaganda aimed at the layman (4.00 / 1)
the war with Iran will still be on. Does anyone think the scary-section-of-the-periodic-table meme has a chance of supplantation at this point?

[ Parent ]
Hah! fairleft2 troll hunting!!! (0.00 / 0)
At least I got to give a goodbye message this time:

Apparently I may be banned soon,

based on what I read above. Since you don't get a farewell message, I just want to say, "Hey, been nice talking to you dailkossers for a few days." I have no idea why I was banned a couple years ago (when I was 'fairleft'), and I believe the reason I may be banned today is 'mindless bureaucratic application of rules.'

http://www.dailykos.com/commen...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Obama predictably unsuccessful yesterday (4.50 / 2)
in his deflection of the question regarding China's 'onboardness' with the 'international community' re Iran. @ 4:10. Has anyone noticed yet that press conferences presidential or otherwise are getting their talking points from the media and not vice versa? For many years now. This seems pretty crucial...but maybe I'm being naive and this is just one of those unknown known knowns.

I should say positive things about Barack. The relative increase in job stress that usually just ages most new presidents is making his face more interesting. He's even looking slightly evil these days, which is a plus for girls me who can't help liking that type but not so much when you're the ruler of the world.


Dr. Schlock (4.50 / 2)
Barack is sooooo reasonable...

One of his favorite worlds is "unacceptable" and "international" community.

China is neither part of the international community or quite acceptable..

What is the "international" community?  World Wide Captialism excluding China and most Muslim countries...in other words the majority of people on Earth....I haven't done the numbers...but I'm guessing.

Unacceptable is another world for a nation that is about to be invaded or sanctioned or regime changed by the United States.

Another one of his favorite words and a sign of somebody who doesn't want to be understood is "ya know"....

Well, I find him pretty damn boring as a con artist who was made a senator by Tony Rezko and Giannoulis who is apparently a mob associated bank lender.

Oh, the hell with it.


[ Parent ]
International Minority? (0.00 / 0)
What are the numbers on the nations he mentioned being "part of the international community" and those who aren't part of the international community....like China?

Whose in the majority?


[ Parent ]
MY MAN, Huey Long in dah news! (0.00 / 0)
February 10, 2010
The Struggle for a Democratic Academy
Making a Killing on Student Loans
By TOLU OLORUNDA

Why have the right to a college education depend upon whether the father or mother is so well to do as to send a boy or girl to college?
-Huey Long

Since their appearance in the seventeenth and eighteenth century, American colleges followed the traditions established by Oxford, Cambridge, and the continental universities in the preparation of their overwhelmingly white male student body for law, ministry, medicine, and politics.
-Henry Giroux and Susan Giroux, Take Back Higher Education

The New York Times reported last week of rammed-up lobbying efforts by student-loan lenders to derail the Obama administration's ambitious Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act. What President Obama once considered a "no-brainer" is today being vehemently rebuffed by private loan giants through an arsenal of techniques including "sit-downs with lawmakers, town-hall-style meetings and petition drives."  The only no-brainer here is that no profit-driven corporation with competent CEOs would for a second let anyone-not even government-prey out of its cold hands lucrative opportunities to further sink a young, untrained generation into debt.

One November morning last year, about 100 Students at the University of California (UCLA), Berkeley, seized a couple campus buildings to protest the 32% tuition hike passed by the UC Board of Regents. Starting the following spring semester, they would be asked to pay an additional $585, right before a second increase of $1,344 scheduled for the fall. Those who could afford returning would end up forced to fork over more than $10,000 the next year-triple the cost a mere decade ago. Approval of this proposal had been all but unanimous, with the lone opposition vote cast by the only student accepted among the other 25 members. How ironic?    

In no time, police officers, riot gear-ready, had arrived on scene, equipped to take down any unruly, snot-nosed kid in sight-or the union members, parents, community leaders and activists who together formed a crowd of more than 2,000 outside in solidarity with the students. About 50 of the 100+ students inside ended up arrested. . . .

Students should as well expect the "Wall Street-controlled public press," as that troubled but triumphant soul Huey Long described it, to make circus of an issue as critical as the future of democracy. They should expect the flippant infatuation with every fringe movement supported by a mainstream personality-a la former Alaska governor Sarah Palin.  

But, most importantly, students must brace up in preparation for what is sure to be a no-holds-barred attack campaign. Students would be portrayed as indifferent and aloof to their responsibilities and the implications of adult life. They can depend on the neoliberal politics of unconscionable individualism to deem them "pansies" and "softies" who, unlike their parents, expect to coast through life unhindered. The young of today, it would be said, shouldn't be "bailed out" of foolish choices made to fuel frivolous pursuits.

It wouldn't matter that in 1984 nationwide net state funding for higher education was 4.1 % of total state government spending, but by 2004, it had dropped to 1.8%.Students would be ridiculed as greedy and gullible. They would witness a total trivialization of the real-life stories of women like "Gina Moss," a social worker and single mother raped in college (kept the baby), who ended up evicted, having watched her student loan debt balloon from $50,000 to $70,000 in only a few years.      

But the struggle to lift the burdens weighing heavy on the backs of students would have to involve more than young people: it would take the sympathy and sensitivity of adults working hand-in-hand, side-by-side with tomorrow's leaders. It would take the empathy and energy of courageous intellectuals to step out beyond the academic bubble and stand for something worth more than a corporate handout. It would take the unwavering support of parents, community leaders, and educators to make good on the hopes harbored in the minds of young people-hope that the society in which they live cares deeply about the future awaiting them.

Tolu Olorunda is a cultural critic whose work regularly appears in various online journals. He can be reached at: Tolu.Olorunda@gmail.com.


http://counterpunch.org/olorun...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

absurd (0.00 / 0)
The crux of the U.S.-Iran conflict is that Iran doesn't trust Russia and particular France, that when it sends its low-enriched uranium there it will come back as 20% enriched or at all.

so your premise is that France, and The West in general, would deprive cancer treatment to hundreds of thousands of Iranian medical patients . That would be an unmitigated disaster for the West. The entire populace of the world would be calling for France's head. The entire world would be supporting and sympathetic to Iran in that instance.

Everyone. even me....

That would be a PR nightmare to end all PR nightmares. Therefore there is no chance in hell that France would renege on that deal.

sorry buddy your "croox" does not hold water.


in addition (0.00 / 0)
eye joost remembered that there's more to it than just refining the uranium to 20 percent. You then have to convert that material into fuel rods or wtf, which eye've read Iran lacks the expertise to do.

therefore, if Iran plans to use this raw material for their medical research reactor then look for a nuclear "accident" of gargantuan proportions.



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Good to see your concern for the well-being of Iranian nuclear researchers. (0.00 / 0)
What I get from your comment is that it'd be a great idea to have some excellent Western scientists go to Iran and show them how to convert the 20% enriched uranium into the proper materials for cancer treatment. And provide them the technical equipment to do so. Atoms for peace, baby!

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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well, there's ceertainleee a high stakes (0.00 / 0)
game of chicken going on.....

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Iran shuts down google e-mail

Iran began blocking access to Gmail on Wednesday - a move intended to stifle the same Internet communications that made the "Twitter Revolution" possible. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the Iranian government would soon shut down Gmail in Iran altogether, and replace the popular email platform with a government-run service.

The move comes as anti-government protesters flooded the streets during celebrations for the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Republic. Last June, social networks such as Twitter and Facebook were used to organize rallies and to keep the outside world abreast of the violence in the streets of Tehran. By pulling the plug on Gmail, the Iran government eliminates one more communication outlet for anti-government forces.

But why is Iran gunning for Gmail first, and not Twitter? As John C. Abell of Portfolio.com points out, it's a matter of which service is easier for the Iranian government to monitor:

Gmail is the only major online e-mail service that uses HTTPS connections by default, which encrypts the data sent between a user's computer and Google's servers. That makes it very difficult for the government to spy on Gmail users e-mailing other Gmail users, though Gmail users e-mailing others could be overheard. Users of other online e-mail services are vulnerable to having the contents of their e-mails scanned by government firewalls.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Innov...

they're goona replace it with a govt run e-mail service. hilarious....

spy spy spy on Iranians
spy spy spy on the people......


[ Parent ]
it seems Iran (2.00 / 1)
has gotten their hands on soom pretty specialized American technology alreadee......



[ Parent ]
They're finding U.S. components in Afghanistan & Iraq IEDs, (4.00 / 1)
so they finger Iran for that? Unbelievable. You're occupying those two countries, stupid. Guess where people get bomb components: your own military's leaky supplies.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Yellowcake pt. 2 (0.00 / 0)
Iran admits nuclear enrichment or aspirations to. So do all developed nations. This will only bother those possessing a CBS level science knowledge, ie the informed public. The best way to scare our informed public is to talk about the scary part of the periodic table. Still.

Now this piggy sniveller on 60 Min. with his loose component apoplexy is exxtra hilarious to me. The instances of 'Iranian' parts showing up in Iraq were all obvious fakes of US origin, and now they're trying to say Iran is still interfering, only they're now using US parts which first make a complicated journey around the middle east, including US surveilled areas? That's like a kid being caught writing on the wall for the second time, except this time he blames it on the neighbor kid who wasn't there either time, and has no ties to the crayon in question.

And to drive the 'point' home they show a completely unrelated component 'of US origin' - supposedly for nuclear enrichment - IN A SCIENCY AHMADINEJAD PHOTO. Retarded shit for retards.

 


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Yes, but of course the propaganda would say (0.00 / 0)
the West was denying Iran nuclear bomb materials and not cancer treatments. As absurd as that would be, it would be another successful big lie in a long line of them, hammered into us by our servile to PTB Pravdas and Izvestias.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
z (0.00 / 0)
What Salehi says is accurate and unchallenged: the radioactive isotopes are essential for treating cancer patients

you yourself have acknowledged that nobodee is challenging the fact that iran will soon need these materials for cancer treatment. It's way too late to put that genie back in the bottle. This info has been reported everywhere and for quite soom time. To try to re-package it as "bomb materials" would be impossible. The worldwide outcry would be enormous, and of curse Iran would flood the media-scape with sick cancer patients, parading them in front of the cameras.  Nope, the PTB would not be able to pull off that "big lie", not even close.


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You underestimate the PTB, they can (0.00 / 0)
ignore what they said a few months earlier and just make up stuff, and if it's the PTB saying it, the mainstream media will almost uniformly echo and amplify it.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
You underestimate the PTB, they can (0.00 / 0)
ignore what they said a few months earlier and just make up stuff, and if it's the PTB saying it, the mainstream media will almost uniformly echo and amplify it.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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