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A big think response...

by: Ormond Otvos

Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 20:02:05 PM EST


There are several seeming contradictions, perhaps caused by word choices, in this interesting post:

"The trickery of Gurdjieff and his theosophists awakened hopes in pop culture, and in concert with Einstein's downgrading of Newton's time, paved the way for Teilhard's Darwinism to see a generalized potential within matter, tending to arrange itself via purely physical and historical/thermodynamic laws into new phenomena...... planet accretion.....atmospheric condensation....biogenesis....evolution.....culture..... history.......human media.

continued over fold, with link and author.

Ormond Otvos :: A big think response...

The freezing out of current realities from the big bang soup was found to have been curiously biased. Of all the initially possible scenarios, many were adsorbed in Planck time, and never dominated (antimatter for one). These asymmetries are now being puzzled out by CERN. The end result of this bias is the skewed nature of every reaction in all domains. (no area is free from it). It is therefore universal, all encompassing, and holds us in its grip. If we live, and think, these processes stem from the permissions physically accorded us by the bias, coupled with the earnest prompting of physical forces, from initial conditions mandated by history. If we are free, it is only within these boundaries. I sum it up as "The Tao"... the allowed way.

Delusion, on the other hand, is not bounded, except by the limitations of the dreamer. Reading the dance cards of the angelic population partying on a pinhead gains no one any insight. Searching for Baal is a mental disease.

The religious magisterium incites and allows delusive projection of biocultural memes as a deified absolute, removing each believer from his/her truly needed lifesearch.

The scientific magisterium has lagged in pre Einstein error space, and therefore paints no currently usable picture for humanity. It ought to catch up.

Cosmology now wanders in the desert of its own lack of data, spinning dozens of mutually exclusive fables, all unproven.

Imprinting and right brain parallel processing allowed protohumanity to mime knowledge to each other via what would now be called art. (A dance, showing how to kill zebra .. the inspirational/instructional paintings at Lascaux). Using these methods, unanimity could be arrived at sans language.

Intentionally fabricated icons holding visual & magical power for these right brain audiences were simply the next inevitable step, and so arrives "God" among the humans.

When survival is uncertain, and cohesion is required, totems are extremely potent ignitors of the human "hyper self", acting as they do through the more immediate sympathetic pathways, undiluted by grammar, syntax, and the snags of mere logic.

Mimetic influence makes 6 or 8 hunters act as a single super killer, more than the sum of its parts. Mimetic influence makes kings, pyramids, tribes, nations, crusades, jihads, and progressive movements. Religion and its devious twin, politics, operates mimetically via totems, and only pulls in language or logic as corrupted slaves to the totem.

Shall humanity inwardly cleanse itself of totems? I say it is in the nature of the beast to rely on totems, and that people with no inner capital filling their totem space will always wither before the more integrated, trustworthy will of a true believer.

Case in point: Obama versus Awlaki. (So far, Awlaki has the upper hand.)

This is why the assertions of Islamic spokesmen cannot be disproved, when they frame western civilization as corrupt, and needful of Islamification. These willful proselytizers wish only to fill up our empty, starving totem-space with Allah, so that we may be complete. This innate need is so evident to them, that they easily manipulate young westerners into committing suicide, granting the Allah totem as a life's fulfillment.

The reactive, totemless Bertrand Russell strain of anti-establishment western thinking gives no gifts as numinous, and so motivates no one.

We ought finally cast off Yahweh, and the endless acceptance/rejection the Yahweh totem, and seek out a viable post atheist philosophy.

Teilhardian evolution can provide a viable starting point, and an exalted overview for this very needed exercise.

H Springer  on January 8, 2010, 8:34 AM
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Another insulated idiot analyzing what they think it is to be 'muslim' (4.00 / 1)

What would you guys talk about if arab peoples were liberal christians, I wonder. Or atheist communists. Now there's a totem to hack down. No wonder we still sponsor the most fanatical dictatorships we can scratch together.

The old anti-commie propaganda only reads slightly more pathetically than this crap, even to the layperson - just substitute Islam for Communism. Neither type of 'analysis' ever touch the real issues behind the perceived conflicts.

(and is this guy really saying art only manifests in either instructive or dogmatically coercive form? He must be a really fungi at parties)



I gather this triggered your PC sensors: (0.00 / 0)
(And I thought it was the best part.)

This is why the assertions of Islamic spokesmen cannot be disproved, when they frame western civilization as corrupt, and needful of Islamification. These willful proselytizers wish only to fill up our empty, starving totem-space with Allah, so that we may be complete. This innate need is so evident to them, that they easily manipulate young westerners into committing suicide, granting the Allah totem as a life's fulfillment.

Damn, he sure sounds like Eric Hoffer!

We're gonna have to work harder on this bipartisanship, I see...


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Of course he sounds like Eric Hoffer (0.00 / 0)
Alluh those dudes are interchangeable. Lewis, blah blah; veiled bigotry enablings.

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The newer example, or a third side of this same coin: (0.00 / 0)
David Brooks blaming the Haitian's plight on voudoo...why not just go full Robertson? Or in Islam's case, Churchill/Ben Gurion. Instead we get the lousy Bernard Lewis, etc. and the masses get Brooks Brothers.

What allows these instances of blaming-the-victim racism to remain 'debatable'?


Religion isn't race. (0.00 / 0)

Do you think pediatric religious instruction is mind-rape?

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You don't know very much about the majority habits of muslims (0.00 / 0)
which really should be obvious even to the outsider, you have to completely black out all historical benevolences as well as available anecdote to paint with your type of broad brush...the usual tactic for group smearing iow.

What percentage would you say of western children are mind-raped? What if anything does religion have to do with a wrthless American public skool/TV indoctrination? Nothing, really.  

What's worse is that you still deny the FACT that scientific/philosophical ignorance is antithetical to Islam, by practicable definition.

You're really just a high end cherry picker.


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Really, Laura, you need to tighten it up... (0.00 / 0)
I have little interest in the vast bell curve of Islamic thought. I'm rather concerned, instead, at the large number of nutcases enabled by mass preaching to those passive, wonderful, scientific woman-enablers who seem to sprout horns and a tail and go howling into the streets on command from their preachers.

How about them nutcases? Even the wildly biased Gallup World Poll shitcart allows that 1% have "extreme (undefined) views" which gives this Western mathophile 1.3 billion x .01 = 13 million nutcases.
And if one percent of them succeed, you have Pakistan, Afghanistan... The range from nuclear modern to ancient tribal. Islam can build nutcases anywhere. And they are.

Yeah, if you edumacate the women, they don't allow the little boys to commit jihad. Maybe that's why they blow up schools, and taliban means student. Male student, I suspect.

You want SO hard for religion to be fuzzy, and the world to just rise like organic bread dough, but it's turning all black and slimy instead.

Religion poisons everything. A turd in the well is all you need. Oooh, am I getting to graphic? Poisons, disease!

I suppose I could write books about mind viruses but that's been done so well.

Or I could write books from personal experience and observation that when a tenth of the population is Muslim, it's such an opportunity for the Islamic Al Sharptons to stir the pot a little.

Sure, the Western colonialism and the white man's burden caused it all, but we are stuck with the results, into which Islam fits like a fuse into a firebomb. Reality bites.

Tell me again how evil an honest appraisal of the human genome is...


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I couldn't care less about Islam, or any other religion (0.00 / 0)
what bothers me is imperialistic bigotry, and its so-called liberal Sadducees. Really, that's all that bothers me. Bigotry.

I'll ask you again. Which culture/behavior did you deem wothy of such focused criticism pre-9/11? I'm almost positive you've become more 'specific' due to fear indoctrination. Of course that would be the first thing your kind will deny. Vocational immunity or wtf.

And yeah...I remember your anecdote about the brutal Saudi prince. Don't feel the need to tell me again unless you want to hear 20+ ready counter examples.

So how bout we step back from organic theoretical abstraction and talk about the real reasons for wat you're perceiving as evolutionary conflict. That would require a foray into actual recent history but really it takes only a matter of days to learn the basics. Choose you own...any terra firma, and I'll continue this thread. Or don't. I'm sick of forced watercolors of the Other.


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Uh, the Saudi prince was the original focus you asked about. (0.00 / 0)
That and anti-theism from the late nineties, or anti-authoritarianisms of the type you're so ably demonstrating with the rant above.

My rants aren't focused, Laura. They're as general as can be.

What would be the use of focusing them? More marches?

To paraphrase, "Your feet get tired and the media love it."


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