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Was Hitler Really All that Bad?

by: Stu Piddy

Sat Jan 09, 2010 at 21:13:12 PM EST


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(and he liked dogs too)

Obama likes dogs. Special Ones for the kids.

Both Obama and Hitler are/were world leaders. World leaders have a lot in common. They all like to do the same kinds of things. Things for the people. They want to help people. They want to lead people to places, nice places, place people will like. They have done this throughout world history. People follow them because they like to go to nice places. Nice places are nice. I like nice places too.

Oliver Stone is doing a HBO mini series on Stalin, Hitler and Truman among others that gives us what he might call a under reported-history. Historical information  that isn't typically presented in schools or text.

Hitler's  name has magical properties. Jesus, Hitler and the word "Jew" also have magical properties. They are untouchable. They are words that cannot be evaluated. They are not variables, they are constants. There can be no discussion of these words and their meanings as the words themselves are ultra sensitive and cause immediate emotional reactions and defensive often contradictory verbal reports on the emotional reactions.

Who was Hitler? The most horrible, despised man to have ever lived on Earth? HIs name is used as a bludgeon. It's magical. It stops conversation. It's used as a powerful weapon by politicians and lay people alike when used to pointedly attack someone else or some  political idea or position.  But  who was he? How did he become "Hitler"?

Well as usual you can probably thank Britain and the United States for creating the situation that helped bring about his ascension to power.

Speaking on a panel at the Television Critics Tour in Pasadena Saturday, Stone even got started with this little ditty: "Hitler was an easy scapegoat."

Before anyone add the epithet of Nazi sympathizer to the filmmaker's long-accumulated list of vilifications, his collaborator on the documentary project, American University history professor Peter Kuznick, stood up quickly, attempting to re-assure TV writers that "We despise Hitler and everything he ever did, but we are going to try to explore Hitler from an historical phenomenon."

Disturbed by what he thinks is a grossly inadequate history teaching acumen in American schools and in mass media, Stone has sought to craft an alternative 10-hour crash course on the 20th century, full of what he believes are lost and under-reported crucial facts.
Stu Piddy :: Was Hitler Really All that Bad?
Who was give em' hell Harry Truman...Was he a guy like Obama and Bush that thought nothing of killing hundreds of thousands.

Obama has the potential to kill millions. Bush already has killed over one million Iraqis by many accounts.

Who was Stalin? Well he defeated Hitler. But Stalin is often second to Hitler in terms of vilification.

Many Americans don't know  the U.S. didn't defeat Hitler. Many people don't know that many well known Americans and corporations supported Hitler. Like Joe Kennedy. I don't know if Chiquita Brands, (a nice American corporation) was around then, but I'm sure they would have gone bannas over Hitler.

Today we have Michael Ledeen. He's a fascist, he likes Benito Mussolini. How does one become Michael Ledeen?

I predict Stone will be assassinated by a Jewish Group that hires an Arab to do the killing. Maybe Michael Ledeen will put it all together.

Are Hitler and Obama really any different?

What an OUTRAGEOUS Question...Hitler killed millions of Jews. Obama/Bush don't kill Jews, they protect Jews by killing millions of Arabs.
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Ban Him (0.00 / 0)
Stu Piddy should be banned.  
Hitler started a war that led to the deaths of 50 million people, 90% of whom were not Jewish (4.00 / 1)
Hitler killed millions of Jews. Obama/Bush don't kill Jews, they protect Jews by killing  millions of Arabs.

Your own historical sense is woefully incomplete, Stu.

RIOTOUS!

Stone is trashing you, Stu, and you don't even recognize it.

The Muslim Brotherhood was formed out of admiration and respect for Nazism and established similar plans and goals for a pan-Arab state that blossomed into todaze "radical islamofascism".

If you want a clearer connection, Stu, Al-Zawahiri came to Al-Qaeda from the Muslim Brotherhood. Ba'athism, formerly ruling in Iraq and currently in Syria, is also an offshoot of the Nazi political philosophy.

http://www.paktribune.com/pfor...

The fascist police state of Iran has flowered into an almost exact replica of German national socialism, with the notable exception that the Regime glorifies Allah and the "Revolutionary" Islamic State instead of the "Aryan" race and the German State.

These are important historical facts that you choose to ignore, or like your friends on the FakeLeft, choose to remain in denial because it doesn't fit into your stunted, a-historical, heavily propagandized groupthink worldview.

Yur not real, Stu.

Stu Piddy is an illusion.

Kill the Buddha!

Recommended!

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oh the irony (4.50 / 2)
Stone:

Disturbed by what he thinks is a grossly inadequate history teaching acumen in American schools and in mass media

It's all about the jews to piddy. 9/11, Afghanistan, iraq, it's all about the jews to a neo-nazi like stu.

America's in the ME not the for oil, not for the money for the MIC, not for perceived american interests, but rather according to stu and david duke, it's all about the Jews.


Stu Piddy should be banned

wow! you sure are an edgy dude man, like a real boundary pusher bro....like an avant-garde nazi and shit!

delusions of edginess flood stu's cerebellum. stu thinks heez some misunderstood or overlooked genius. that's hilarious. stu yer a neo nazi hack living in some shithole, take a look around bro. you get what you deserve buddy, and you obviously got shit.


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The real irony (3.33 / 3)
Laurajohn agrees yet doesn't frontpage. This is just more right wing propaganda out of lefty posers. These are the people that forced Peeder's hand to close down da real fake pff.

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...
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I thot it was deniali who caused Peeder to close PFF? (3.50 / 2)
Deniali is more of a middle of the road obamabot than even I.

Also, you may have missed this from two Swedish meatballs Eurotardic Socialists in the WaPo.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

They claim that the EU has already stepped up in Afghanistan abd will eventually have 40% of the troops on the ground. The Fakeleft has lost another "Utopia" card to fall back on when they start looosing hand after poker hand.

They are down to their final hole card: Every hole in their groupthunk worldview can be explained as A CIA CONSPIRACY on behalf of the Elders of Zion!!!

Every single evil act in the world since the 16th century emanates from the US of A-holes and Britain!! Obama is Bush and together they are worse than Hitler!!!

The Iranians are merely utopian socialists who won't participate in the global corporatist borg!!

Hitler was just as good a guy as the Ayafooker!!

Sig heil, da whiteysfrau!  

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Yep my bad (0.00 / 0)
I've been in a blogging slump of late. I should have posted these are the types of people that led to the original PFF's downfall. Sorry for any confusion. My take is Peeder didn't mind having some sewer rats on PFF. But that even he had a subconscious line that couldn't be crossed. Like with Maryscott and me. She originally banned me for returning the fight club crap I was receiving. My opinion is don't start a fight club if rules aren't going to be evenly applied. Just look at how MSOC banned Francis but protected Thereisnorape. Those two things happened around the same time. No consistency to that one. I also think Byron should post here. I don't read his schtick, but the dude obviously likes to blog. He might as well make this place his home, seeing that he can't get banned.

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
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eye'm pretty sure it was this (4.00 / 1)
kind of shite which made peeder decide to whitewall the joint....good job you Goyim fucks

haha!@

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Stu's a Hitler Dick Sucka! (3.50 / 2)

Stu needz a pair of Swastika Emblazoned KneePadz......

But there are quite a few neo-Nazis in the midwest. Which branch do you belong to Stu?

stu's piano is definitely missing some notes....

stu takes solace in being a failure in that heez like, "oh, some people want to rule over others and make money,, other people play the piano" . What that says to me is that Stu is a mediocre piano player, a dime a dozen hack with nothing to distinguish him from thousands of other players. Just admit that to yourslef stu, face up to it bro, being mediocre is not a crime.

So far I'm batting 1000, right jerky?

Well Stu And I Are Not Anti-Jewish. Away From Here, I Never Think About Them At All, Except When Obama Sends Israel More $Billions (2.00 / 1)
If people want to identify themselves as Jews, that's fine with me. I detest sending US dollars to Israel, since what has Israel done for me (or anyone) lately?

There is probably no one here who is anti-Jewish. Obviously Israel should simply be abandoned. All the deluded Jews there will likely get nuked someday soon, since about 20 nations probably have nuclear weapons (and Iran probably doesn't!), and Israel is considerably smaller than Massachusetts.

Besides that, the climate there is akin to the climate of Arizona, so there is not enough water to grow enough food for all the new immigrants. Perhaps the people there are so insane because they know they are doomed. This is the "California effect." They know they will all slide into the Pacific one day soon, so they don't bother with realistic priorities.

This constant paranoid anti-Jew bashing just a huge waste of time.

World Leaders are Bad People (3.50 / 2)
I think Hitler and Obama and Bush are very much alike. They kill people.

I think what Stone is going to point out is that the allies squeezed Germany after world war one in the same way they are currently squeezing many nations in the Mideast, Cuba, Venezuela and many, many other nations.

They are always bombing the poor...doesn't anyone notice that? Villagers with drones....

World leaders are bad people. They keep you off balance with their propaganda ...part of that propaganda is how "human" and humane they are...how much they are like you and me....nice photo of Hitler with the kids...Obama has photos like that, so did Bush, so did Reagen and so did the great Harry Truman who took a bribe from the mob to let some guys out on the Willie Bioff Browne scandal...like Obama took a bribe for favors to be determined from Tony Rezko...

As long as you guys believe in the world as described to you by mommy and daddy...you'll never be able to separate yourself from your culture...you will be Jewish because your family is Jewish, Protestant because your family is Protestant, Catholic because you family is Catholic and Muslim because you family is Muslim...

and so on.

I don't like Hitler...but I don't like Obama or Bush either...they are the same guy...some are more destructive than others...but it's basically the same guy...a guy who wants to keep you confused and that guy is confused himself..so much so....he needs for you to be more confused than he is...

and some of you guys just keep following the leader.

World Leaders are Bad people....consider that.

The problem with yur thesis here Stu is that this point, or at least the first half: (4.00 / 1)
I think what Stone is going to point out is that the allies squeezed Germany after world war one in the same way they are currently squeezing many nations in the Mideast, Cuba, Venezuela and many, many other nations.

is obvious and has been well-known and widely taught since, uhhh, right after world war I. I mean, the great fascist leader, Woody Wilson even attempted to get the Brits and the French to tone down the Versailles Treaty to make it less heinous on the Krauts...and many social commentators at the time accurately predicted further war would result from the unfair disposition after WWI, which was in fact a stalemate on the battlefield.

Had a "Marshall Plan" of sorts been implemented and the economy and society of Germany and Austria encouraged to democratize in the early 20s maybe the entire flow of world history would have changed.

But thats why the play the game, Stu. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that sports BS...  

The second half of yur thesis, that the West is "squeezing" many other of yur favorite nations is a non-sequitor. Germany was "squeezed" for much different reasons and much harder than these other nations that you sorta mention in vague terms are being squeezed. These other nations today are looosers, no doubt, like Germany in post WWI, but again for different reasons and differing political considerations.

Iran for instance, is being squeezed from within by a middle class rebellion that is rightly upset at its corrupt rulers for stealing huge sums of money while the "planned" "socialist" economy has fallen off a cliff for years and also for perverting the meagre social contract of the Iranian "Revolution" by stealing an election and then nullfiying the Parliament, Judiciary and freedom of the press in the process of looting the treasury on behalf of the favored mullahs and the military.

Cuba? Cuba suffered primarily when its main benefactor, the USSR, dissolved in a CIA conspiracy, remember? I don't see a connection with PostWWI Germany here at all....but if you care to explain instead of maintaining yur enigmatic pose, I am all ears...

And if you are saying that Iran and much of the middle east is currently in the thrall of a Neo-Nazi political philosophy begun by the Muslim Brotherhood and exacerbated since post WWII by the West's support of Israel, then I cannot object to yur thinking at all, although its quite simplistic and leaves out a century's worth of widening fascist political development and the failure of modernization among middle easter societies in general.

This means also, of course, that you are admitting that Nazism is at the root of Iran, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban.

I'm OK with that too. Glad you are honestly admitting it, unlike most of the fakeleft, who hide behind false, a-historical posing and flights of conspiracy theory (pun intended)to explain their appeasement.

"Peace(nikkks) in our time."

RIOTOUS!

 

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Jesus and Hitler would have made a nice couple (4.50 / 2)
The IMF, controlled by the U.S. , is I believe the big squeezer encouraging always to depress the poor and enrich the rich.

I don't have a thesis...Oliver Stone is making a movie...

I don't thin what's happening in the Mid East has anything to do with Hitler...it would have more to do with Jesus if your going to use historical figures than with Hitler, though Jesus and Hitler and in many ways, very compatible. They would have made a nice "couple".

Donkey tale...politics...the essence of politics is conspiracy. To down play the idea that people meet and conspire to achieve a certain agenda to the detriment of others is absurd.

Look...you don't have to look at politicians. If you ever worked in an office...it's filled with conspiracy...those who like the boss those who don't and how they undermine each other with the boss trying to manipulate the situation of both.

You can look at a family. Man Wife Children....often it's all conspiracy of one against the other....

C'mon.

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yeah Nazi Stu (3.00 / 2)
the Current US imbroglios comprise a conspiracy which involved Cheney, the MIC, the oil companies and the millions of Militant Christians who supported all of it.

how convenient that a Hitler Dick Sucka like yerslef jumps straight to the jewish conspiracy when all evidence points to the goddamn Goyim, of which you are no doubt a member you pig snout munching creep.

and btw Nazi loser. It's amazing how dupes can so easily whine and moan about Arabs, like they're so defenseless or wtf when it is a fact that quite a few Arab gov'ts , and a Persian one, have screwed this country with price gauging on gasoline and have made trillions. Oh the poor fookin Arabs! And what do they do with those US greenbacks. Fund Islamic radicalism! Wahhabism! Talibanism! Hamas!

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Of course! Survival of teh species requires conspiracy. Making babies is a conspiracy!!! Marriage (gay marriage excepted) is a conspiracy!!!! (3.00 / 1)
Yur dumbing this discussion down to meaninglessness which I suppose is the ultimate goal of our conspiracy conversation.

The ultimate meaninglessness of the whiteysphere.

I get what yur saying that Jesus and Hitler are symbols used by others fro their own motives, but so then is Mohammed, Allah, Osama and all the rest. Buddha. Kishna. Santa Claus. Or do you deny that they exist? Shirley, they are merely symbols created by the CIA to keep the PTB up and the worlds poor down?

In fact, Obama doesnt exist either. He's a robot created at Disneyland just like that fake Lincoln.

As you know, Disneyworld controls the World, Stu.

Better watch out for Failreft. He took his kids there two summers ago as a ruse to take training and became indoctrinated in the mickey mouse ways of the CIA conspiracy to control every single world event.

He knows everything about everything. That much is patently obvious.

[:o)

So, this dairy is about Oliver Stone making selling another movie? Didnt he once make a movie with Jane Hamster?

What is it with yu guyz and the movies lately?

RIOTOUS!

Dont you realize that Hollywood is completely and historically controlled by the Joooos, Stu?

Obviously, you are a part of a worldwide zionist conspiracy to make people waste more time and money at the Cineplex.

DOWN WITH $6.00 boxes of popcorn!!!!! SHOOT THE TICKET TAKER AND dont take that fake butter sauce!!!!

It'll kill you, dude.

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Did donkey put you up to this Stu? (4.00 / 1)
Trying to pull me back in huh?

In reassesing Stalin as justified in many respect, I'd still asses Hitler as unjustified and pretty bad but not as you say "that bad", and frankly on the war front not that unjustified.

After all the proximal cause of the war was Germany's invasion of Poland, a country that didn't exist before the end of WW1.  A country wholly constructed from land taken from Russia and Germany at that time.  Taken by the victorious allies from WW1 a war that started as a proximal cause with an ally of Germany being assassinated by an ally of Britain and France.

Hitler didn't demand all of Germany's land back even - just a land strip to make Germany a contiguous strip of land a single country again.  Danzig the port.  A German port filled with Germans speaking German but also Poland's only sea access so they refused since they had a ridiculous alliance / pact with Britain and France.  You could reasonably argue the real war didn't start until those countries declared war on Germany in response.  In fact the war started because Germany was striving to break down the insane conditions of its surrender after WW1.

(Although the allies also stole land from Russia and Russia had been an ally of theirs against Germany.  Go figure - anything to attack the commies).

None of the allies cared about Hitler's fascism or anti-Jew thing.  And they love love loved his anti-communist thing.  Saw that well enough with the Spanish Civil war.

So Germany started WW1 in the same sense that Egypt started the Yom Kippur war.  Invading their own land.

The weird thing about WW2 is why did the allies bother?  They hated the commies far more and they had supported fascists before.  Half of them were fascist themselves.  Hitler's politics were not really outside the norm.  if he wanted to go kill another ten million communist jews and slavs why would anyone care?  

Seems to have come down to nothing but imperial hubris on the part of the UK and France.  As in, "We said no, that's why"  And after Alsace-Lorraine the Anschluss it was a bizarrely inconsistent move.  Oh right those bits of former Germany you can have back now, but this other bit, no?  We don't mind you having an empire cut out of primitive peoples like the rest of us but don't go through Poland?

And it wasn't like they gave a crap about a "free" Poland (ie a Poland owing loyalty to them I assume) since they were "happy" to let Stalin have it.

It's quite puzzling why they didn't give Hitler a green light to keep heading East killing commies.  All over one city.



"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

typo (5.00 / 1)
"So Germany started WW1 in the same sense that"

should be

"So Germany started WW2 in the same sense that"

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Good job Stu! This place just can't exist without you, Lord. (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, thats just the way it is. Yur not only a wanted man, yur needed here. Pyrrhiod.

OK, the war officially started when Hitler attacked Poland, which as you state was created after WWI but which like Kurdistan, Pantunistan and other places, is a contiguous ethnic land or tribal land with shared customes, language and religion that the PTB never allowed to be a country, altho the Poles long since self-identified as one people and one country.

In fact, wasn't Poland an autonomous country for like 750 years before the Austrian, Prussian and Russian empires carved it up based on a political settlement only a hundred years or so prior to WWI? Poland shares no border with Russia, either...

And didn't Hitler sort of goad the English and the French into the War anyway by attacking them?

He knew he could easily trounce the French with his mechanized army and believed, perhaps correctly, that the Brits would mostly stand aside and watch--- "The British are willing to fight to the last Frenchman" was his famous quote from that time, I believe.

Why did he repeatedly bomb London, then?

Hubris? Or did he listen to closely and take to seriously the whiteysphere's malarkey?

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The comment about the Frenchmen is long standing (4.25 / 4)
But no Moscow used to be part of Russia.  Now if you played Diplomacy you'd know this.

Yeah Poland had been an independent country before, but then at one point Lithuania owned all that area, and at another time Sweden did.  People blow through there all the time.  While it is true that much of Poland is Poles that was not true of Danzig and the German corridor to Prussia.

Apart from the allies and the Zionists who deliberately splits a country into two non-continguous pieces?

No Hitler didn't attack the allies.  All the intra-great Power agro was from the allies to the axis powers.  Britain and France declared war on Germany and the US attacked Japan of course.  The only exception was Hitler attacking the Soviets.

And it's not like the allies could give a flying fuck for the sovereign rights of neutrals as Britain attacked Norway in an attempt to seize the Swedish iron mines that were supplying Germany (and under the pretext of aiding Finland that had been attacked by the Soviets, though no help arrived).  Given that, its hard to see why the famous Maginot line, which was really jolly impressive didn't extend to the sea and left an obvious route through the lowlands.

Although in 3rd Reich the board game I often consider an attack via the South of France and through Italy to be superior to trying to bust through the Maginot.  Blitkreig is very efficient at busting through non-fortress zones if you don't over extend yourself (which is sadly bound to happen if you invade Russia because its just so big).

Under those circumstances Germany was pretty much forced tactically to invade Denmark to kick the Brits out of Norway, and then the low-lands to attack France.  That left Sweden and Switzerland 100% surrounded by axis powers and they were never attacked.  It's never quite worth it for the (industrial) income to attack those piddling countries.  But you have to do it anyway more or less or the other guys will.

Spain is a bit iffy.  If Germany is doing really well they might invade (fascist) Spain just to try their luck attacking Gibraltar which essentially shuts the allies out of the Mediterranean but nobody really gives a crap about that place anyway although I think Churchill advocated D-Day through Yugoslavia's coast.  Nice idea in theory (the idea being to meet the Soviets further East and deny them Berlin).  But you can't get the forces assembled.

It's a sadly realistic game.  All those British and US troops squatting in the Southern counties thinking about maybe one day trying to launch a huge amphibious assault -- more because they have nothing else to do frankly than because it is efficient.  It all comes down to Germany vs Russia and how much industrial bombing Germany takes from allied bombers.

Having played the game several times it seems to me that once the allies do get a beach head it's pretty easy for Germany to contain.  Presumably in the real war Germany more or less let the allies through in the hopes they would get to surrender to them instead of the Soviets.  Of which bad luck on that score as it turned out.

Hitler didn't really go after the allies at first.  I think he was hoping they didn't really mean their DoWs.  Nothing much happened for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

If Hitler was serious about invading Britain he would have to have early on started building massive numbers of fleets probably in Brenan rather than Kiel, and then it's a huge pain to move them to the Western front from the Baltic.  But fleets are very expensive, take ages to build and are vulnerable to air.  Germany had technically better ships at the time but they had been limited in size by the same surrender terms as the rest of the crap that went down.  Tanks and planes are easy to build fast.  The lack of fleets left the only option for an invasion of Britain to be total air supremacy which they never got despite (again) better quality planes.  

Without the extra fleets it's pointless even for the best players (ie me).  You can drop off troops in Ireland or Scotland for your own amusement but the British have nothing else to do with their small number of ground forces at that stage than make the Southern counties impregnable.  And if you do build the fleets you have little industrial resources for tanks which actually do kick a lot of ass (German tanks anyway) for very little cost.

Of course in the game you have to invade Russia because (1) nothing else to do and (2) you know they'll attack you.  In real life the opposite was true and the motivation was that (1) they're commies and (2) East over Siberia is the only place Germany can build its empire ruling over primitive non-Europeans to rival Britain France, Belgium and Portugal -- I mean Portugal and Belgium had colonies and Germany didn't (well except some tiny African bits).  Talk about a humiliation.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Well crap (5.00 / 1)
that image looked smaller before I pasted it.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.
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Hitler had lotsa problems dealing with reality....for instance he had too much faith (0.00 / 0)
in his military's technological advantages and in his air force.

Attacking the Soviet Union under any circumstances was his death sentence. He apparently didnt take seriously Napoleon's defeat when the latter had far more military advantages in terms of fewer legitimate combat enemies in the west and in an age when industrial might was relatively benign in its effect on war making. By the 20th century the industrial revolution and advent of modern war gave the Allies an insurmountable longterm advantage, they were as militarily unstoppable too once the USSR switched sides.

The Allies had so much more materiel advantages that Hitler's best bet was to consolidate Vichy France, throw the French populace a few bones to win them over and then attempt to negotiate peace with Britain. Still, ubder the best of circumstances, ie ongoing British appeasement, it seems difficult to imagine Hitler's empire lasting much longer than it did. Maybe a few more decades. Hitler was in fact a nihilist.

He may have gotten a treaty done with the UK except he kept up the bombardment which pissed off Britain and gave Churchill enuff fightin words to rally his peeps and the US to fight. Once the US joined he had little chance. Once he attacked the USSR, he was toast.

The only plausible reasons for the bombardment of Britain by Germany was that Hitler bought into the belief that (a) war could be won solely thru air bombardment (probably a fairly common belief in those days before much air war had actually occurred in RL) (b) he was actually rather stupid at least regarding military/diplomatic matters (c) he was delusional about the relative ability of Germany's overall technological ability, moral purpose and destiny (d) all of the above.

I would probably go with (d) especially when he seemed to confirm his bad decision making by attacking his ally, the USSR, a few years later, against any common sense and the consensus advice of his generals.

I believe that you are correct about the inability to successfully invade either Europe or Britain amhibiously by either side in teh war. Without the severely degraded condition of the German Army post-their USSR beatdown its hard to see how the D-day invasion works if enough German boots, general leadership and firepower are on hand to defend. And you are surely correct that the German Generals on hand actually allowed the invasion, at least  subconsciously. They had to know at that point that their ultimate defeat was inevitable and they knew firsthand that the Russians would not likely follow up with a "Marshallevsky Plan", or wtf.

Still and all, you gotta blame the coach when the team loooses.

I get your point about "Moscow" bordering Poland but arent there in fact a few little a "Baltic" states actually in between?

And I'll concede that the French and Brits atttacked Germany first, although this is a technicality. In fact, the Germans attacked Poland first (along with the opportunistic USSR) and Poland bound by pre-existing treaty to the Allies was an "Ally," thus, Germany attacked the allies first.

Not sure about yur statement of the US first attacking Japan. To be honest, I never really got into the Pacific theatre. Don't tell Frau Tale....or my dad, who was on a gunboat sunk by a Jap submarine but unharmed after floating around in the water for a few hours before rescue.

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Sorry "Warsaw" not "Moscow" (4.00 / 1)
I posted the Diplomacy board (a WW1 re-enactment game) to show Russia's territory.  

The Soviets were never a German ally.  The UK and US and France had been in Spain I think, but not the Soviets.  Stalin knew Hitler would invade Russia.  I don't really get where you get "Russia changed sides" from.  

Do you think Hitler needed help invading Poland?  The Poles still used cavalry (people on horses holding sharp bits of metal).  

They had to know at that point that their ultimate defeat was inevitable and they knew firsthand that the Russians would not likely follow up with a "Marshallevsky Plan", or wtf.

Well it's always hard to say what would have happened but I assume the Nazis would have done pretty much what empires always do (what they did in Norway during the war) and what both the US and Soviets did do after WW2 to their zones of influence.  They installed puppet governments and withdrew leaving a bunch of their troops as semi-occupation forces to make sure the puppets behaved right.

The US did it by rigging elections and killing communists.  That was what you refer to as the Marshal Plan.  So, yes, the Soviets had their own Marshal Plan, and yes it included rebuilding economies too.  That wasn't the issue.

The issue was that the German elites didn't want communism to take over.  The allies were philosophically identical to fascist Germany.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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You were doing OK till here. (0.00 / 0)


"If you'll cry for a nickel, you'll die for a dime..."

-RJ
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video games are educational.... (0.00 / 0)
im loling because i actually know abit about poland lith etc because of video games!

WHat people may not know is those areas where the site of bloody religous conflicts because the Lithoanians refused to covert to catholicism in the Middle Ages.  They are a good target in another game because you can attack them without the Pope getting all over your ass for attacking other catholics.

what noom would say

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While I am here (5.00 / 1)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

people hired at lower wages in a tight job market tend to lag behind their peers for years, sometimes decades. For example, workers laid off during the 1981-82 recession earned 20 percent less than people who remained in a job - even 20 years after they were rehired, a Columbia University study found. The study examined pay for white- and blue-collar workers, managers and hourly workers.

Of course if you're a woman you can just sue the company for sex discrimination and get that money back decades latter thanks to the Lilly Ledbetter act.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

Another Example Of How The Lightly Educated Goofies Don't Know Shit (2.00 / 1)
I intend to use really nifty software to turn The Daily Trough into a monster site. I am tired of all these Israeli welfare trans-Jewites pulling their hairy shit here. Laura needs to learn the need for the good old banhammer to keep these creeps out.

So yeah:

The Daily Trough is now back in business. You already have an account! (fairleft does too).

WordPress can be better than SoapBlox if you use about six plug-ins.

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I also Own Daily Trough . COM, So The Goofies Can't Get That Either! HAHAHAHAHA!!! (0.00 / 0)

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And If You Think It's Groovy To Be Jewish, Well Fuck You (4.00 / 1)
I was raised Episcopalian, and with all my personal problems, I managed to figure out that it was mostly crap at about age 21. Enough religious/ ethnic bullshit already. Fuck the dreidels and the bible passages. When you die, you're dead. It's good to have a nice ceremony, but at the end of the Great Day, there is only one clan. Trust me on this.
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Speaking of plug-ins, have you ever stuck a dreidel up your ass? (3.00 / 1)
Cause you're spin is just too groovy to explain otherwise.

Fyi, Jews don't do "afterlife."

"If you'll cry for a nickel, you'll die for a dime..."

-RJ

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Actually, They Do. Obviously your Rabbi Thought It Would All Be Too Complex For You (0.00 / 0)
I agree with your Rabbi.

Why does 3/4 of the discussion around here have to be about the Jews? Are they really that important? Is any religion or ethnic group that important? No, it's all 90% useless baggage. Why should a progressive blog have to be 75% concerned with religious fanatics? (In the present case, Jewish ones?)

If people are Jewish or baptist or whatever, I don't care. But it's a damn shame when a decent progressive blog get all clogged up with the whining of a murderous, bankrupt, zionist cult that robs Americans to survive. (Especially one whose members have absolutely no class whatsoever.)

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You are wrong, simply and thoroughly wrong. (0.00 / 0)
As for why all the Jew talk, maybe you should turn inward for the answer to that. I never even remember I'm a Jew, until a fuck like your starts up.

"If you'll cry for a nickel, you'll die for a dime..."

-RJ
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RIOTOUS! (0.00 / 0)
But it's a damn shame when a decent progressive blog get all clogged up with the whining of a murderous, bankrupt, zionist cult that robs Americans to survive. (Especially one whose members have absolutely no class whatsoever.)

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But The Only Important Thing? You Could Be Santeria For All I Care (4.50 / 2)
The ultimate reality here?

You stealth trolls just simply have no class.

You are empty, with no redeeming values whatsoever. Nobody needs you. You don't even need yourselve(s). Stupid creeps.

I know the Cabala back and forth. What do you know, except how to bully little kids? Stupid creeps...

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You have an entire team of Harvard researchers (4.00 / 3)
studying you.

You understand tensor calculus without a teacher and you know the Cabala back and forth.

You have many Jewish friends and you are not antisemitic. You invented Boron fusion but didnt patent the process out of sleflessness and disdain for the baser forms of life, such as the profit motive.

You don't believe in God or religon but you substitute your own belief system anyway. You call yur belief system " the superiour intellectual understanding of all things."

You sell T shirts. You were banned at MLW. You think MSOC and Cuntabitcheous both sock at blog administration. You want me and Socrates banned here. You want Byron and Failreft to join you at yur blog where you will either moderate the discussion to keep out the trolls or you will ban all trolls.

Although you are widely considered to be a troll and a nutcase I believe that you add a lot to this blog, moreso than most, especially failreft, but not Byron. Yur quite intelligent, highly emotional (or yur persona is), colourful and ecccentric. These are all excellent qualities in a blogger on a free speech blog like this one.

This blog relies on a certain train wreck quality for its identity, lockerroom humour, putdowns and other outmoded forms of non-utopian communication of ideas from a prior feudal age which doesnt seem to go totally out of style.

This blog is a great waste of all the participants' time and energy, including mine and yurs, yet a growing number of people seem to enjoy reading and commenting in it.

People just like you (altho you would deny there is anyone else just like you, my guess would be with a world population of more than 6 billion there are at least several dozen people just like you. Maybe several hundred thousand in fact, after we strip away the persona and get to the essence).

People just like me. (1 billion plus sold)

People just like them.

People just like us.

 

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People (5.00 / 2)
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This Is Just The Beginning. Wait Till You Get A load Of Me (4.00 / 1)

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Stunning new information on Lord Byron (0.00 / 0)
It has come to my attention that the Lordship can now be directly tied to the Beastie Boy cult. Don't believe me? Debunk this!



http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...

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No, I Only Began To Learn Tensor Calculus - But Gave Up - Too Much Effort. And Of Course I Did Not Invent Boron Fusion (4.00 / 1)
But I actually do original research in mathematics and quasi-mathematics.

And I don't sell T-shirts. (Maybe I Should.)

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"World Leaders are Bad People" (0.00 / 0)
I think what you may mean here is that the people's need for leaders is our own undoing...and again I agree, but you seem to be arguing from a completely fatuous perspective, as in "all life is a conspiracy."

I'm not a social scientist like Scorates or Otvos, but I believe I understand correctly that humans have worked out a set of relationships, either its biological or evolutiionary, that there are always leaders and followers.

And the leaders tend to be the strongest, richest, boldest, luckiest, best looking, take charge types possessing also most all of the bad qualities of the led, too, in spades. Corrupt, weak, opportunistic, you can go on and on. So yeah, I agree with you. "World leaders are bad people."

This leads neatly into my Buddha schtick, which is similar to my Jesus schtick, that only when all or most all of humanity manifests buddhahood or son of "God-like" qualities will we ever have a possibility for "good" leadeership.

And when we are all enlightened, we won't then need leaders anyway.....Ah, the neverending conundrum of humanity!

Until then it seems implausible that we can ever attain "good" leaders, except by sheer luck and then for only the briefest of pyrrhiods before the crooks take over. In fact, looking around the room and the mirror, it seems as fatuous a statement for me to make about the world ever attaining enlightenment as yours does about leaders being bad people...

[:o)  

meant more correctly "vacuous" instead of "fatuous", for those scoring at home..... (0.00 / 0)
And lately, I havent been, but I plan on getting lucky sometime this week.....

[:o0

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Read This! (4.40 / 5)
Humans are  I think skewed.

I don't think world leaders are the smartest, strongest, boldest, luckiest...

That's not the way it works for humans. The accumulation of wealth, the stockpiling of history and memory make it very different.

Power is often inherited, that's not true with other animals except perhaps peripherally through genetics and it's not consistent with other animals.

So with humans you have inherited, wealth, inherited attitudes emanating from historical memory, political considerations having nothing to do with competency or "strength" and so on, including the element of chance.

It's very different. Often the weakest, less capable become world leaders.

Humanity is filled with incompetent, weak, corrupt, selfish people who have become world leaders and never protectors of the "herd".

Humanity is disturbed. It's twisted. It doesn't understand itself while telling itself that it does...that's the first set of problems to unravel.

Then you have to grasp what human being are. They are sensational, like other animals, not exclusively "intellectual". And that "sensational" part of what we are has long ago been abandon for purposes of control by so called world leaders.

The sensational part is the part of humans that is a kind of awarness that doesn't require thinking in order to "understand". It grasps a situation and gives direction through a felt sense and like the intellectual portion of our being...it needs to be used in order to mature.

It's so misunderstood that the pharmaceutical industry has made a fortune from manipulating these sensations we feel, further driving them underground and making it hopeless that we can ever uncover what they are.

World leadership is made up of confused people who imagine they are not confused who impose their confusion on the people. Since the ideas of world leadership make no sense and have no functional value...it all has to be further "rationalized" which means....you have to be more confused than the people who you follow, "the leaders," and world leaders make a point of keeping you confused and off balance in order for them to keep you following them.

World leaders are people who are lost. The secret is, they don't tell you we are all lost,  sometimes they don't admit it to themselves.

World leaders therefore offer the illusion of having a direction to go in.

They don't no where they are going.

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Yur wright Stu, I forgot to add "inherited" as one of the characteristics (3.50 / 2)
In fact, I realized it after I hit post....I'm all about being against nepotism being that my old man was a gardener and all....had he been an academic or in show business there is not a single doubt in my mind that I too would be a world leader or at least a minour celebrity in my own right, about like say, Charlie Sheen or Robert Downey, Jr.

I might have made it all the way to Michael Douglashood or Jane Fondadom, but I dont want to be seen as bragging....

[:o)

The nepotism factor was the main reason I was against Hilliary too, especially since she exhibits a fairly routine mind at best and then of course there is also Bush, there is always Bush, in fact there are many Bushes, just as there are a myriad of Kennedys and Rockefellers.

And dont even get me started on Hollywood, pro/college football coaches, business leaders or TV preachers. The amount of nepotism in this world is endless. There oughta be a law, in fact. The spiritual realm seems to do marginally better in this regard, excepting the Protestant Celebrity Churches, of course.

I mean, its fairly difficult for the Pope to hand off title to his son, altho I'm sure in the long history of the papacy its been done fairly often.

Ditto Buddhahood. Even women can be Buddhas, but there are certain job requirements which must be fulfilled to attaining the title and it cant be simply handed down, although again, I'm sure there are instances where nepotism has occurred. Not sure about Islam, Hinduism, or dare I say it, jooooodyism.

I think, tho, that people have to aspire to be leaders, at some point in time, even if they are "monarchs" and start out rejecting the call outright. Some monarchs do abstain on rare occasion. They often get pulled in simply because they inherit the role, but at some point they must make a choice to lead. They generally have that choice to make.

The only times I remember a guy not wanting the title was that British dude who married the Amerikkkan commoner instead and of course, "The Last Emporer" really didnt want the jon either. I threw that one in there because you guyz seem lately to better relate to "reel" life than to "real" life...

Still, tho, you havent really addressed the complementary issue, which I see as more crucial, of why does the "herd" require leaders in the first place?

I think the evidence is pretty dramatic that people, like most all mammals (and again I'm no scientist here so correct me if I'm wrong), seem to form social groups that require a few leaders and many followers in the herd.

And that for the most part, at least in humans, the leaders are a reflection of the followers or worse, like God as a reflection of humans, because the need to lead seemingly results from more aggressive, exaggerated impulses that are typikkkal to all humans, who seem to need leaders. Leaders must satisfy some need within the herd or we would reject them wouldnt we?

Blaming leaders for being leaders is only hitting half the nail, IMHO.

What about the followers? My thesis, again, in general is that if the followers raise the levels of their conscousness then the leaders will also in general lead the people from a higher level of consciousness.

Aim higher, I guess I'm saying. Or maybe I'm saying aim lower to get the followers to aim higher?

[:o)

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