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Iranian Voices in Transition

by: donkeytale

Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 12:56:27 PM EST


Sunday, December 13, 2009

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[Editor's note: The blog from which this article is taken appears to be a CIA front. Obviously]

Recently, Alborz, an Iran-based site devoted to a critique of political economy, has published articles which represent differing views among socialists inside Iran concerning the future of the Green Movement. Below are excerpts from two articles which represent some of these differing views.  
donkeytale :: Iranian Voices in Transition
The "Green Insurrection:" From Dream to Reality
Author: Mohammad Gharagozloo
Source: http://www.alborznet.ir/Fa/Vie...
Translated by Frieda Afary
November 19, 2009

. . . In the first few weeks after the [June 12, 2009] election, many appropriated the color green and chanted slogans which insisted on the cancellation of the election results and called for a new election. Now however, the protest movement has taken a different direction. Starting from the July 16 Friday Prayer to [the September 18 ] Jerusalem Day and November 3, the appearances and the slogans of the protesters --even the ones dressed in green have not matched the primary and secondary goals of the green insurrection and its election time leaders. . .

Let us grant that there is a green insurrection whose class hegemony (political, economic, social and cultural) is in fact under the control of the two protesting reformist candidates. In an article entitled, "Are the Economically Impoverished Among the Forces of the Green Movement?"(http://www.alborznet.ir/Fa/ViewDetail.aspx?T=2&ID=237) Mohammad Maljoo correctly points out that during the 16 years of their participation in the leadership of the fifth through the eighth government, these candidates have been economically "market-oriented"

Everyone knows that the neo-liberal plan called "economic transformation" or "targeted monetary subsidies"[reference to the current government's plan to phase out existing subsidies on basic goods and gas --tr.] which is now being placed as the first item on the agenda of the tenth government and the eight parliament, is a proposal made by the World Bank. The main preparatory steps were implemented through the "economic modification" plan of the fifth and sixth governments under the name of economic development. These steps were continued by the reformist governments. . .

Mohammad Maljoo's emphasis in the aforementioned article is quite true and objective: "The economically impoverished have not benefited from the economic actions of either side of the June 12 dispute." In their debates, speeches and half-baked electoral promises, the two reformist candidates have not proposed any article or amendment through which any "favor" is done for the working and the economically impoverished classes. . .

My question for Mr. Maljoo is the following: Based on what material evidence is he so optimistic about the future of the liberals as to write: "At a time when the economic policies of the hurried tenth government do not promise economic growth or social justice, perhaps the political elite of the green movement would have the unique opportunity to not repeat their past calamitous actions concerning the economically impoverished, but instead take up a justice-seeking discourse to officially call on the working classes and the urban poor to join the growing ranks of the Greens. The most important barrier to such a call is the domination of the market-oriented economic discourse among extensive numbers of the political elite of the Green Movement."

Mr. Maljoo must certainly know that in order to change the direction of the economy from the free market or the closed market (capitalism in any form) , to a "justice-seeking economic discourse to defend the working and urban impoverished classes," or what I would call a socialist mode of production and the abolition of the sale of labor power, the decision-making body cannot be the "political elite of the Green Movement." . . .

A Critique of the Perspectives of Mohammad Gharagozloo:
From Repeating Cliches to Understanding Cliches
Author: Yassir Azizi
Source: http://alborznet.ir/Fa/ViewDet...
Translated by Frieda Afary
November 22, 2009

. . . I wish this proclaimed leftist, who happens to be a true representative (based on being on the left side of the spectrum and not based on his correct thinking) had as much sense as one of the liberal candidates, to comprehend that "the color green has turned into a fluid signifier."(Statement from Mir-Hossien Mousavi in a post-election speech to a group of university professors) Therefore, this signifier does not represent any particular signified or concept. Having said this, let's move on to the heart of the issue.

1. The Unity of Theory and Practice

"It is not enough that thought strive to actualize itself; actuality must itself strive toward thought."
Karl Marx. A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

Any reflection on Marx's thought and his methodology clearly shows that theory to him is not an abstraction from reality. If it were, he would have never ended his Theses on Feuerbach with the historic statement which challenges the official role of philosophers: "Philosophers have interpreted the world in different ways. The point is to change it."

For Marx, the unity of theory and practice was the most important and the best way to achieve the change that he called for. But a change in what? Changing the world to Marx meant changing the reality around you. To be changed, that reality has to be comprehended first. Then that cognition, as theory, becomes concomitant with and coordinated with objective and conscious practice. It is the lack of such [a concept] that Marx criticized among his predecessors whom he called "utopian socialists."

He called the likes of Fourier, Owen and others, "utopian" not simply because they sufficed themselves with giving sermons and did not engage in objective action. He called them utopian because of their defective comprehension of reality. . .

Simply drawing up a plan and posing a singular paradigm for action which is not in harmony with the present pulse of history, only strengthens the mental capacities of those who are tourists in the world of theories and not the efforts of those who want to step forward in the rough trails of social reality.

2. The Origin of Today's Movement

"To be radical is to grasp matters at the root. But for the human being the root is the human being herself/himself."
Karl Marx. A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right.

Regardless of the interpretations which call it a middle-class movement, the present people's movement in Iran is a manifestation of the unity of theory and practice. Leftists such as the one discussed, offer an insufficient analysis. This movement's material and social form is not that of a working-class movement with a limited conceptual definition, but a middle-class movement which is supported by large sectors of the lower classes. At this sensitive historical moment, based on its experiences and its real sense perception, this movement has found itself preoccupied with political practice. This position is not defective from the standpoint of Marxist theory. In fact, it is based on comprehending reality and transforming it into a theory of action. . .

Of course I believe that a socialist has to clarify her/his horizon, general position and distinctions. Nevertheless, there can be a balance between grand goals, the realization of which seems further on the horizon, and actions with results which may make life a little easier. . .

No one can claim to be a leftist and not have the benefits of the impoverished classes and specifically the working class in mind. . . .We have to ask where the majority of workers in our society-those who have "nothing to lose but their chains" according to Marx-stand as far as the levels of general consciousness and self-consciousness are concerned. The lack of support for the present movement and its slogans, on the part of a spectrum of the impoverished, does not seem to arise from a class standpoint. Rather, realistically, it arises from their lack of consciousness and their having been co-opted by parts of the ruling ideology on the one hand and their being deceived by the donations of the ninth government, on the other . . .

Carefully examining the existing realities of society and the direction which the "Revolutionary Guard" has taken in expropriating the economy and transforming the form of Iran's economy into a type of "military rule of capital," should illuminate the challenge which the majority of the unemployed face in their struggle. Given the current situation in which hiring is shifting toward using the members of the Basij (militia --tr) and consequently those who pass the ideological test, we need to pay additional attention to comprehending what position workers would take.  

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Presented as a pubic service to the overly propagandized Whiteysphere (4.00 / 1)
which yur obedient servant calls home. These are presented as two differing critiques...teh first one is critical of the green movement and one of its supporters writings.

The second one, directly marxist in perspective, offers support for the green  movement as an action against the current state of economic corruption and repression by the IRGC and the regime.

[:o)


The Psycho "donkeytale" Just Cut & Pasted This Thing. What about Attribution? (4.00 / 1)
Why not just a few excerpts and a link to the real article?

Must we read through the endless details of burial rites in Borneo?

This was lifted from the translated version:

Socialists Inside Iran Differ on the Green Movement


[ Parent ]
Thanks, Blews, excellent point altho I already posted the same link (4.00 / 1)
donkeytale you did at the top and clearly stated that this was taken from the website.

Keep up the grate work, dude. I asked Nurse Ratched to extend yur playground time this week....

This is a scene from "My Left Wing, the Movie"

[;o)


[ Parent ]
Why Can't You Just Learn To Post Standard HTML Links When You Lift Entire Books? (3.00 / 2)
And why should we give a shit about the issues of the deluded "leftiods" and "Greenoids" in fucking Iran? The only real protest comes from intellectuals who want to live western- style. Mortgages. Hedge funds. Derivatives markets. Oh yeah, they'll fight for that!

What about that tale about you molesting those donkeys, donkeymolester?


[ Parent ]
Whatever dude. I attributed, and the site said I could reproduce the work so I did. (4.00 / 1)
What are you afraid of and why do you care? Information that doesnt conform to yur neoNazi fantasies skkkares you doesnt it?

Western-style is not the point at all. Western-style is being subsumed by eastern-style, anyway, which is a hybrid of western style doen with an eastern cultural perspective.

The Iranian govt is fascist and corrupt, doesnt provide meaningful employment or a sound economy for its people. Not to mention its theocratical. All glory be to the state thru Allah!

BS, dude. Nazism in a new wrapper is all it is.

The Regime arent fighting any wars today only because they are too inept, as they proved during the Iraq War back in teh day. So they illegally fund instability thruout the Middle East while trying to nukelearize their way into the big leagues.  

We are well on the way to a new world order, Blews.

Haha. You already knew that.

Its just not the new world order of yur paranoid fantasies.



[ Parent ]
What About Argentina? Why Is Iran So Fucking Important To You? (2.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
it's in a highly strategic zone (3.67 / 3)
in a highly unstable region, where the oil n' natual gas are.

not to mention the crazy zealots running the country  destabilize the region, have hegemonic goals to dominate the region and further, plan to wreak havoc in the West.

not to mention they're anti-semites of the highest order.

duh!


[ Parent ]
Iran is a rightwing fascist theocracy, for one thing. The support for a fascist theocracy (4.50 / 2)
exhibited by so-called leftists on this fakeleft website is very revealing of the FakeLeft and its delusional perspective of the world as a CIA conspiracy.

A better qwestain might be: Why are supposedly left wing people backing a corrupt, fascist police state that murders and oppresses its own people while [ineptly] attempting to build a nukular weapon?

I already know the answer: jew hate, but its fun watching you all choke on yur neo-Nazi dog collars in denial of the obvious. Fun, and educational to anyone who is paying attention to the info blog warz..

But go ahead, dude. Educate me on Argentina. Whats going on there that I, as a real leftist human being, should be concerned about?

I took yur point on the Egypt/Gaza/oil connection and recc'd yur dairy. I actually have an open mind to new information. Repetitive fakeleft propaganda doesnt move me, except to derision for its mindless exponents like Failreft and LauraJohn.


[ Parent ]
Why do leftists back non-intervention by the U.S. in Iran's internal affairs? (2.00 / 2)
That's an accurate question.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Leftists fight corrupt theofascist police states wherever they encounter them (4.33 / 3)
[see Spain, 1936, as example]

Weasly quisling "peacenikkks" of the FakeLeft back "non-intervention" in support of fascist corruption.

[see Chamberlain, Neville, as example]

Iran intervenes in the internal affairs of plenty of other nations. So does the US, USSR, Red China, Israel, every nation does it. Al Qaeda and Taliban, ditto.

The world is in constant turmoil. STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

Pull the wool away from yur eyes and grow up, loooser.

Or somebody will come along and slap a burkha over yur head.

Now, bow down and pray to the east, moron.


[ Parent ]
Defending the democratically chosen govt of Spain in 1936 (2.00 / 2)
against a fascist coup led by Franco? The analogy to Iran puts you on the Franco side.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Whatever, dude. My point is (5.00 / 1)
that Leftists support the peoples struggle against fascist tyranny, whether its in Spain or Iran or anywhere, under any circumstances.

FakeLeftist "peacenikkks hide in weasling words and quisling appeasement to fascist tyranny.  


[ Parent ]
Holy reverse-donut (0.00 / 0)
You make good points in this post. But what took it beyond a good point or excellent rating was your use of the word quisling. I don't even know what that means, but it sounds good. Well played, Mr. Bond.

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[ Parent ]
Quislings were Norwegian bootlikkker "peacenikkks" who helped support (4.00 / 2)
the Nazi war effort thru appeasement. Quisling, I believe was the Nazi puppet Norwegian head of state...

There were a good many of these "peacenikkk" types in neutral Sweden too. In fact, Sweden which is today the holy grail for FakeLeft "ideal democrateic socialist society", made big bucks supplying the Nazi war effort during WWII....ironies abound in teh whiteysphere, don't they?

I used to bat Vicky the Viking around with that schtick back in the day on PFF.


[ Parent ]
Nice post (0.00 / 0)
The blogosphere should be about making good points. Some organic dialogue. I could tell what the word meant, but I didn't know the etymolgy. I almost wrote entymology, but that's the study of bugs or something.

So I take it we know for sure that Vicky the Viking was Curmudgeon. Having a women's name for an avatar isn't that big a deal in my mind, like you have shown me Byron could be British but living in Canada or Australia or somewhere other than QueenVictoriaLand. Hmmm, so Curmudgeon had some internal contradictions going on. I know you hate Marisa, but it appears Curmudgeon had some internal conflict with his posts at the Popcorn and Opera Glasses Palace. Something about he was against MLW before he was for it. Or his sock puppet was against them, while he was trying to stifle the dissent, or both scenarios, seeing how he left in a huff over the thereisnorape deletions.

It's pretty funny how the fake lefties have reacted to the recent democratic uprising in Iran. But they made that bed a long time ago, when this story first emerged in the whiteysphere. By the way, Francis took an awful stumble off his bike. Now that guy for any human frailties is a good jake. Rasta don't work for no CIA and neither does Francis Holland. He'd be a fun dude to have a brew with or watch a game. Bet on it, but hope he can stop talking about MAMZ if it's during the Super Bowl.

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[ Parent ]
check this out bro (5.00 / 1)
(btw - excellent recent Iran work bro, if eye didn't get around to tipping your comments)

ayafooker kakamenei worth over $30 billion

LONDON (Jan. 5) -- Iran's supreme leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, likes to portray himself as a simple man of faith, interested only in spiritual -- not material -- wealth. But an exiled Iranian filmmaker says that behind this frugal front, Khamenei luxuriates in an opulent lifestyle supported by an ill-gained fortune of about $30 billion.

His sources say that since the early 1980s -- Khamenei was president from 1981 to '89 -- the supreme leader has gained control of the Iranian economy by granting key positions to family members and close allies. His brother Hassan, for example, oversees the Oil Ministry, a brother-in-law has a monopoly on imports of Sony electrical equipment, and the father of one of his daughters-in-law handles the state's land sales.

Makhmalbaf alleges that Iran's leading man of faith -- whom opposition protesters accuse of rigging last summer's re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- used these connections to siphon off $12 billion in commissions from oil sales, $2 billion from land deals and $6 billion from the arms business. Ahmadinejad has also allegedly handed him $10 billion over the past four years.

http://www.sphere.com/nation/a...

ayafooker siphons off billions while handing out crumbs to the civil servant slave class who run the state beauracracy . how dreary

what a scam. it's like a mega mafia shakedown racket. ayafooker's shakin down the entire populace!

and how much have the other top mullahs and Rev Guard a-holes siphoned off for their personal fortunes? It's a swindle of super mega proportions.


[ Parent ]
Yes, and he receives cover and support for his corrupt fascist theocracy from the US FakeLeft!!! (2.00 / 1)
RIOTOUS!!!

No different from the WWII Nazi personal enrichment scam, just on a different scale and a different road to glory.

Heil Allah!!!!

But Obama is the world's real problem, its so obvious....to certain delusional minds.

This is why I love the Whiteysphere!

Pwn'ing loooosers has never been easier...


[ Parent ]
What's your point? (2.00 / 1)
Mousavi is a very wealthy man (as well, if your charges are true). What matters for Iran's average people is sovereignty and escaping the U.S.-administered corporate globalization borg.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Whats yur point? (3.50 / 2)
What matters for Iran's average people is sovereignty and escaping the U.S.-administered corporate globalization borg.

noom has demonstrated, as has the recent Asia Times, that the people of Iran, average or otherwise, have not escaped or even attempted escape (nor have you for that matter) the "US-adminstered [increasingly on behalf of the Chinese] corporate globalization borg."

In fact, they are as steeped in it as anyone in the world, with the exception of certain failed states who still shepherd goats for a living, while forced pay tribute to the Taliban or other gangsters controlling the turf. The only difference is the that "Republic" the Iranians were promised has now become a corrupt, fascist dictatorship looted from the top at the expense of the poor and the educated middle class. So, they are in rebellion. And you have a problem with that...huh.

Is that what you want, Failreft? Is this the sum total of yur reftism?

You want us all to overthrow escape the "corporate globalization borg", the very same one upon which you yur own slef depend on for yur livelihood, the support of your children and the even ability to communicate yur moronity across the infoboobtubez? The same "corporate globalization borg" that you are too timid yurslef to confront at work or anywhere in real life?

Bow down and pray to the east, now, loooser!!!

You crackkk me up.


[ Parent ]
Huh? (3.50 / 2)
Iranians want national sovereignty, and fairness toward their country (for example, they want the right to have nuclear power plants).

The 'borg' metaphor indicates there would be no national sovereignty. Iranians, nobody really, supports that. Rule by the richest corporations and people on the planet will not be (is not) a happy life for the peons.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
Double Huh? Iranians arent being denied national sovereignty (3.00 / 2)
They have the right to their own nuclear power plants.

Those arent even at issue.

This just more of the same of yur typikkkally muddled mush:

Iranians, nobody really, supports that. Rule by the richest corporations and people on the planet will not be (is not) a happy life for the peons.

Wake me up when the world isnt ruled by the richest corporations and people on the planet. Anyway, thats the entire point of the rebellion. They are being misruled by "the richest people on the planet in the country."

Et tu, loooser? Are you unhappy being so reuled? Even Byron says he's happy with his life....RIOTOUS!

In fact, wake me up when you come up with an alternative worth your muddled mushing about.

Here's a possibility:

The Taliban! Al-Qaeda! They arent corporations or richest people on the planet (yet). Is that the kind of rule yur wanting for the world? Sometimes I wonder....

If I were you I'd stick to the classics:

What about Jesus, who after all proclaimed "the meek shall inherit the earth!" Or wtf...

Yes, but that will occur only after the rich have split for the Moon and left the meek holding the bag....

[:o)

Buddhistic enlightenment man meslef...


[ Parent ]
This is the point (4.00 / 1)
If you look at Fakeleft's response to this post of yours, not only is he supportive of the oppressive regime in Iran, he supports nuclear power. How very not leftish of him to go with his pro-CIA attacks on Holland, his calls for surveillance in urban areas, and his claims that Tricky Richie Nixon was a liberal.

Ironically, it was Reagan and Bush Sr. who showed support for the theocracy through the October Surprise. Bush, Casey, and Gates met Iranian  higher-ups in Paris back in October, 1980 in Paris. A deal was established for the hostages to be released after the Presidential election.

Maybe fakeleft should join the Republican Party. He and Byron seem to have wanted McCain as President anyway. To them there is no difference between the two major parties. Rioticity.  

By the way, I just broke the record for quickest return after giving a gbcw post. Or as Tina Turner says in the song based on me, Al Franken,



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[ Parent ]
Byrons here somewhere, too. The important thing is: The gangs all here! (4.00 / 1)
[vox humana alert]

We may disagree with each other, but we will fight to the death our right to be disagreeable with each other, or wtf... unlike say, the PTB in Iran...or on DKOS/MLW/BMT/FSZ...

[:o)




[ Parent ]
I needed to take a breather (4.00 / 1)
It might have been only 18 hours, but oh boy, it was refreshing.

Here's a factoid. Welcome Back Kotter was first shown in Boston, before it made it to the big leagues. ABC or whatnot wanted to see if it could deliver the goods. We loved us some sweathogs. What? When? How? Up your nose with a rubber hose. That show was pretty good. I could have done without Horshack. He was the Potsie [/Happy Days] character that just. didn't. cut. the. cheese mustard. Or that Howard X dude from Andy Griffith. Now The Office, I just found that one. Every cast member is funny. You know why News Radio is no longer on the air? Jon Lovitz. That's the ticket. Place a bet on it then collect the winnings.

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[ Parent ]
You'll note that the the theme of that show was pro-immigrant, multiracial (4.00 / 1)
and multicultural. "The names have changed since you hung around but the dreams remain", as the theme song goes...

These are all real leftist themes. Internationale!

The Fakeleft, as personified by Failreft, OTOH, wants to close the borders (supposedly becuase the immigrants are taking the good union jobs and depressing wages) and want to turn the innercity into a police/spy state where everybody turns snitch to the PTB.

Yeah, thats the ticket. Throw all the darkies in the slammer so Mr. whiteysphere can have all the blew collar jobs back! The juans our kidz dont want no part of!

And then we'll get those dirty jooooos next!


[ Parent ]
eye'm out yo (4.00 / 1)
for a burgee at 5 guys and fries. eye hope they don't gimme the finger!

Hold da pickles and da finga you fucx! eye ain't no cannibal animal yo!

mebbe I'll have a beagle on a bagle instead.  

hey donk had any good dog lately bruh!?!

haha!@

nah, burgee it tiz!

+)


[ Parent ]
b'eye!!! (4.00 / 1)
Had me some excellent cur for dinner last nite, in fact.

Wienerdogschnitzel.

Tonite's menu: hardboiled Marisacat.

Has to be boiled on high flame for 3-4 hours, given the advanced age of the meat....

[projection alert]

[:o)


[ Parent ]
You know.... (4.00 / 1)
They probably make vegetarian dog meat at this point. My favourite is the fake chicken. Though soy is overrated. Check into seitan. That's the good stuff and much healthier than soy. Like what I told you about soy milk. Go for the oat milk, or if you must, have almond milk. Sugar, now that's where the big problem is. Get agave syrup instead. Yet, I admit I should follow my own advice. I love that sugar in the raw. I'm also off of drinking my coffee black. It's akin to going from great weed to the common stuff. Man, I quit weed a year ago, and that transition went smoother than I expected. I don't look forward to going back to black coffee. It's not that I'm racist. Half and half and sugar in coffee is sweet. And make sure you toast them bagels enough, but not to the point where it's burnt. That's pure carbon and will cause global warming within your system.

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[ Parent ]
I'm off weed too. Yur wright its easy to quit...only took me 43 yrs... (4.00 / 1)
and Frau Tale's asskicking...

She promises I can smoke it again when I retire, wheneve rthat happens.

As for coffee, I drink it strong and black with chicory. 5-7 cups per day. Cafe DuMonde, preferrably.

I like vegetarianism in theory, and recognize that meat eating is the cause of most industrialized illnesses. However, I loves me some dog meat samiches, dude.

Plus, the science is irrefutable.

John Lennon a much better singer as a meateater then after he went veg.

Ditto his first wife over Yoko.

BTW, been meaning to burst yur bubble about the happy ever after John/Yoko union.

You forgot about his "lost weekend" with May Pang?

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[ Parent ]
Even great people have flaws (0.00 / 0)
And the great men seemed to have been most likely to have fallen due to their sexual escapades. Wasn't MLK also into extra-curricular activities? I could see someone cheating on Yoko. What a phoney, selling all John's tunes to credit card companies and whatnot. Yeah, I'm old-fashioned. I'm not a cheater type. Did I mention this movie called Love Affair starring Irene Dunne and Charles Boyer? p*> Yikes, those two got together while having fiances. So I guess I just debunked my own post. The Horror. The horror.



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[ Parent ]
who duz? (0.00 / 0)
They probably make vegetarian dog meat at this point.

the Koreans? donk, axe yer nirvayna seeking wife if they make veggie dog maet?


[ Parent ]
It was a joke (0.00 / 0)
And how come you never campaign for the banning of cat meta meat. You cat lovers are the worst. And I ain't talking jazz. p*>  

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[ Parent ]
so yo (0.00 / 0)
Duane fookin reade is now in the baking business. yes they have done away with the staple Entenmanns cakes, donuts, marble loafs and cookies and are now selling their own brand of , well, only cookies that eye've seen so far.

So great. they monopolize the drug store scene by undercutting local drugstore prices, they spring up everywhere then they eliminate other brands and stock the shelves with their own shite!

Entenmann's is da joint yo! fookery fook! gotta go the the supermarket to get that shit now

boot whutz DR gonna do next? take out the frickin Heinekin and replace it with fookin duane reade beer!

fookery the end of da whirrled is nigh!


[ Parent ]
I missed his anti-immigration stance (0.00 / 0)
No text, saving my energy for a future post or two.

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[ Parent ]
Anti-mass-immigration, the standard left wing position; I'll teach you up (2.00 / 2)
like I did David Byron here:

. . .your analysis assumes supply and demand (3.67 / 3)

are irrelevant to political and economic power. Massive over-supply of labor is very disadvantageous to labor. Duh.

by: fairleft @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 13:11:30 PM EDT

That's only true given the current political situation (4.00 / 2)

And it will always be true given the current political situation.  The elites want unemployment and they'll get it by hook or by crook.  OTOH if they wanted the immigrants gone they'd simply start arresting employers who hire them.  You can't solve the problem by kicking immigrants.

So when it's the employers that are crewing American workers not the immigrants and its the employers that you'd go after to solve the problem not the immigrants how come you can only think about this in terms of being an "immigration" problem?

All you're doing is helping the elites by stoking nativism and racism.  And what good has any of that done for jobs?  None at all.

by: DavidByron @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 11:33:22 AM EDT

Yes, given the current political situation, (0.00 / 0)

that's what I was talking about. This is ultimately a chicken-and-egg situation. But the left gaining political power will involve (practically 'will be'?) labor gaining economic and then political power. (Because leftism is, basically, compassionate 'pro-workerism'.)

I realize labor gaining a great deal of political power is a pretty farfetched idea.

In any case, it is not a great matter of importance in the great big picture whether Irish workers stay in Ireland or move to Boston, or whether Mexicans stay in Mexico or move to L.A. Workers in all countries need to gain power and thereby greatly improve their economic situations. In that scenario, the vast majority of them will stay put, since the main reason people migrate is economic. So, in the big picture the right to migrate is a very very small 'nice but nonessential' 'human rights' issue.

by: fairleft @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 12:43:21 PM EDT

So why not pitch it as a law enforcement issue? (0.00 / 0)

An issue of dirty employers hiring blackleg illegal immigrants?  Why blame the illegals?  Or why not pitch it as an issue of minimal work conditions, or as an issue of guaranteed employment?

It really has nothing to do with immigrants.

by: DavidByron @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 14:22:21 PM EDT

I am blaming the employers, of course.
(0.00 / 0)

But in the current economic environment, 'it' (not sure what you're referring to) does have to do with immigrants over-supplying the labor market and thereby, in the current legal/political/economic environment, killing labor unions and drastically lowering wages. And making it very hard for new unionization. This is the present environment, which in many important sectors (such as construction and farmwork, for example) could be changed overnight for the much better (higher wages, quick re-unionization) if there were much lower immigration, legal and/or illegal.

I'm not blaming immigrants, but I don't blame scabs either, most of us are just guys and gals trying to eak out a living. Somethings need to be done that disadvantage some workers in order to make things work out best for workers overall, the blame game is bullshit.

by: fairleft @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 15:00:57 PM EDT

And this stoking nativism silliness . . . (0.00 / 0)

I'm also against Obama's health care plan, what I can see of it. Does that mean I'm fanning right-wing fears of 'socialized medicine'? Or opposing just another plan (like mass immigration) to increase corporate profits (in health care the profits will be direct in the form of new customers forced to get insurance, in the case of mass immigration the profits have come and will through the bone-head obvious effect of 'excess' supply on labor price) at the expense of the rest of us?

Can I be against anything the right wing nuts are also against? Right wing asshole Pat Buchanan was against the invasion of Iraq, but being against that was good according to you, so I'm confused about your overall 'stoking the evil hater flames' stance/argument. Isn't Buchanan an evil nativist hater?

Again, what's the big deal about a 'right' to immigrate anywhere? Why is that, common-sensically, anything more than a very minor matter?

by: fairleft @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 12:53:29 PM EDT



For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Talk about spamming (0.00 / 0)
The problem with the US economy boils down to a few factors. It's based on a war economy with its military-industrial complex and spy factories. There's too much outsourcing. The dollar has been ruined through the Bush Administration's actions, after Clinton had balanced the budget. There's been a constant fight by the right wing to deny all workers a livable minimum wage. Mom and pops have been destroyed through mergers, corporations, and conglomerates. There hasn't been proper tax reform, where the rich should be paying the bulk of the bills. See Mary Scott O'Connor for a fake left winger who believes the rich deserve tax cuts.

Aaah, Fakeleft is anti-labor. He's pro-scabs. Riotous. And he spells eke as eak. Ha!

I'm not one to debate with you too much. If I need a nap but am having trouble falling asleep, I'll look you up. Mmmkay?

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[ Parent ]
Thanks, teach (0.00 / 0)
for showing yur fakeleftist stance versus Byron's more truly leftist stance.

Thanks for showcasing yur racism and minuteman-style nativism.

And thanks for the link to yur asskicking at Corente too. That was also a showcase of yur sophistry, yur reliance of phony Heritage Foundation statistics and your all-consuming vanity and condescension. Someone in the thread mentioned the rightwing bias of the Heritage foundation "stats."

RIOTOUS! If they only knew the extent of yur rightwing positions on everything from Iran, healthcare reform to the Military draft.

You say you want an end to the unjust wars?

Reinstate the military draft! End the military's overreliance on professional soldiers from the less educated classes and the South!

Make the military representative of the nation as a whole!


[ Parent ]
There, Blews, I blockquoted the blog's article....just for yews... (0.00 / 0)
[:o)

[ Parent ]
Blah blah blah (2.67 / 3)
ignorant masses blah blah blah welfare state blah blah blah. Pure tripe written for the diaspora, that second critique bit. Kos-like. Probably first written in English and then 'translated' back. But aside from its commonness, it's striking that you'd dig for this to 'support' the Iranian people, and laugh at those who aim a similar message at Americans.

As for the first view, why doesn't he expound on the 'differences' between the latest protesters? It seems like a deliberate mistranslation. If it's not, he's just another pwoggie with a disclaimer, despite what's contained in the following passages. A Greenwald or w...t...f...(is up with all the ellipses in these translations?)


I fell like you need a disclaimer too (2.00 / 2)
NO MORE GOOGLING 'Iran' 'Socialist'.

You come up with pwogs.

The link you are relying on is in NO WAY publishing

articles which represent differing views among socialists inside Iran.



That blockqoute precedes (2.00 / 2)
one article in other words, and is self serving, as to paint a schizo pwog platform and it's even lamer western 'critique' as socialist discourse.

And it most certainly is not even a socialist-flavored blog.


[ Parent ]
This comment of yurs just screams [PROJECTION ALERTTTTTTTT!!!!] (4.00 / 1)
one article in other words, and is self serving, as to paint a schizo pwog platform and it's even lamer western 'critique' as socialist discourse.
And it most certainly is not even a socialist-flavored blog

RIOTOUS! Keep shovelling the BS John. You are crackkking me up more than ever!!!!

LMAO!!!!

ROTF!!!!!

And you are most certainly, of all looosers, not in any position to judge intellectual discourse and critique, which is all that the blog reproduced. The blog itself is irrelevant. There were two separate critiques there, taking opposite sides in fact, not "one article" and not "self serving" at all since conflicting ideas were put forth. But you wouldnt know that, would you John? Didnt even read them did you? or if you did read it you didnt understand them at all.

Sorry, John. Yur opinion alone, like failreft's opinion alone, means less tha nada. ANti-intellectual, unthing regurgitation of FakeLeft talking points adnauseum. Thats you and Failreft to a T.

And the T stands for Twits...

Neither of you have ever demonstrated as much as a single iota of understanding what socialism "is".

You both reek of quite the opposite in fact.

That much you demonstrate over and over again.

Keep up the grate work.

 


[ Parent ]
This is a dumb forum (3.00 / 1)
These are anti-intellectuals. They made their bed supporting the regime in Iran, and now they're trying to put lipstick on that pig. Yes, they have no clue what socialism and intellectualism are. It's as if they want the Democrats four years and out with the Presidency. They got caught calling everything a CIA script. They should head over and post at Fintan Dunne's disinfo website. They'd fit right in.

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[ Parent ]
Yes, and you already nabbed failreft's latest lover David Swanson as a right-woos-left operative and supported by (4.33 / 3)
Britt Kimberlin, teh Speedway Bomber who also claims he sold pot to Dan Quayle?

Did I get that wright?

[:o)


[ Parent ]
Drug smuggler (3.00 / 1)
Yes, Kimberlin claimed to have sold pot to Dan Quayle, but even that turned out to be a lie. He was taught to fly by his grandpops, some kind of aviation pioneer. If you're into true life crime stories, order Singer's Citizen K....  I'm not sure Swanson is a right woos left operative. He is being funded by the Speedway Bomber. He did support McCain or something as fakeleft actually exposed. Kimberlin is a confidence man. I'm not saying he is cointelpoop. He may just be some form of mad genius grifter preying on fakeleft types for donations. Now that his hoaxes have become exposed on the left, they are moving after the right wing pocketbooks. That's a page out of Bev Harris' playbook. Even Kweith Olbermann is going after the rightwing vote. It happens. Sure is funny to see these posers here trying to portray themselves as socialists. I guess they think throwing up some links on the blogroll proves that as truth. Deep down I believe these suckers are sheep for Jooish global conspiracy kookery. Sorry for this one paragraph entry. Sometimes I am too lazy to copy and paste in paragraphs. For those unaware of what I'm talking about, seek out the truth about the coffee spewage incident, part of blogospheric history. Keywords are the question mark and return keys. I believe there was a blurb on it in December's issue of Meta Magazine.  

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[ Parent ]
Any evidence of "supporting the regime in Iran"? (3.00 / 3)
I challenge you to review the comments and diaries here and show me one instance of that by me or Laura.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
Yer either with us or agin us (3.00 / 4)


[ Parent ]
We ABSOLUTELY DO Support the People Of Iran. Their Govt. Is About Like That Of India (4.00 / 2)
We DO NOT want people pushing for "regime change" in Iran, because that is the biggest stepping stone to a WAR that will kill millions of Iranians. (And wreck the "economy" of the USA.) So let's quit the nonsense about how being against demands for Iranian regime change is the same thing as being in bed with The Rabbis Mullahs.

Stirring up hatred against the "bloodthirsty" Rabbis Mullahs is a stepping stone to demands for Iranian regime change, and the next stepping stone is war.

If you want war so much, why don't you just join the fuckin' army, coward??? See how it feels to die for Exxon!!!


[ Parent ]
OK. (0.00 / 0)
donkeytale :: Interesting. You support the people who support the govt, you mean....which means you support the govt....pass this logical construct along to yur ally Failreft who doesnt believe he is supporting the regime.

Now, please explain to me how regime change in Iran is a stepping stone to war.

With links, if you got them....


[ Parent ]
Regime Change In Iran Is No More A Step To War Than Regime Chang In Iraq. OUR DEMAND - Is That Stepping Stone! (0.00 / 0)

__________________________________________

HATE US SOME RABBIS MULLAHS !!!


[ Parent ]
Well, then, thanks for that clarification blews (4.00 / 1)
donkeytale ::Let me then also restate the qwestian,

how is OUR THE PEOPLE'S DEMAND for regime  change an end to the police state brutality and fascist corruption a stepping stone for more war?

And why are you crossing out the word "rabbis" and inserting the word "mullahs"?

The Iranian rebellion is increasingly supported by mullahs, as well as by the lower classes. To be fair, you should at least state "HATE US SOME RABBIS MULLAHS PARTICIPATING IN THE CORRUPT KHAMENEI REGIME."

But then, like yur buddy Failreft here, you are much more into being "fail" then "fair," aren't you, Blews...

[:o)


[ Parent ]
Brilliant stuff (0.00 / 0)
He's now condemning freedom of thought. Kind of like when GW or Rumsfeld said we have to watch what we say. And heck yeah, what was up with his crossing out rabbis? He wants to know why you are so fixated on Iran. The same can be said with his on the Joos. Maybe he can follow his own advice and come up with a diary on Argentina. Or maybe he is going to come up with a follow up diary on his prediction of an upcoming pogrom in America. Some of his best friends are Joos, and he is worried for them.  

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[ Parent ]
I Have Some Friends That are Jooz. I Happen To Have More That Are Goians (0.00 / 0)
What is the problem with that?

And I don't want to start WW-III by invading Iran. It is a stupid concept. Most nations in this world now have nuclear weapons. So WW-III would be no fun at all.

Let's not be so fucking stupid, already.


[ Parent ]
Roflmlfloffle (3.67 / 3)
OK. From now on I will have a disclaimer of my own:

I can haz irrelevant blog?


[ Parent ]
No need for disclaimer....its there for all to see... (0.00 / 0)
[:o)

Besides, yur not a blogger, you said....


[ Parent ]
You Obviously Don't Know What "Is" Is (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Jesus Christ Donkey (0.00 / 0)
Basic reading comprehension, just basic. Playing that dumb requires a sock change, usually.

[ Parent ]
"Jesus Christ Donkey" (0.00 / 0)
Has a nice ring, especially considering the Palm Sunday connection.

Alas, its yur pet monkey who believes he is the second coming of the "teacher" incarnate.

RIOTOUS!

Hope you'all enjoyed this most recent version of "Exposing the Shallow, Fakeleftist Dupes of the Whiteysphere" as much as I did.

Peace. Out.


[ Parent ]
Recommended (3.67 / 3)
I didn't read this but am recommending on sight as a protest against this dumb forum's direction. It's fairly obvious what is going on here. Fakeleft, Byron, Piddy, and even the insane Blews get instant frontpage status. Laurajohn too. But anyone who sees things differently from their Jooish (CIA+Mossad) global conspiracy spin never gets to the frontpage.

I was reading some Guardian stuff on what's going on in Iran. The movement is growing there. It is one being pushed from the people and grassroots and intellectuals.

Of course the CIA and other US groups are trying to influence whoever is in power and who may eventually reach power. That doesn't mean the protests have been produced by the CIA and shit groups like Freedom House, unlike how these fakeleft kooks are framing it.

It's riotous to see fakeleft try to downplay his kookiness and support for the theocracy in Iran. These fools got busted, donkeytale. I guess one should have expected fakeleft to reemerge just as DavidByron gave his 197th goodbye cruel world diary.  

Fakeleft thinks he can post bullshit and then it is all forgotten. Like when he went on the attack against Francis Holland. So I guess fakeleft was for the CIA before he was against it. Fakeleft is an ass.  

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Fuck (3.67 / 3)
I only wrote 'Riotous!' because

I didn't read this

and see that you already used it. So pwnd by you, sort of.


[ Parent ]
Only groups that majority supported Mousavi were (3.00 / 3)
college graduates and the wealthy. So how does that line up with "the people and grassroots and intellectuals"?

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
This dude needs to read The Guardian (3.00 / 1)
The grassroots are growing in Iran despite the fakelefts of the white-0-sphere. That takes a lot of gonads too considering how oppressive it is there. Strange to see so much support for the theocracy coming out of the people in control of this blog.

On Fakeleft: In regards to his attacks on Holland, he was for the CIA before being against it.

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[ Parent ]
Dear clueless, the Guardian supported Blair's invasion of Iraq. (2.67 / 3)
They're an imperialist rag and have no credibility. Look at the facts from un-biased (preferably non-Western) sources. Don't dismiss the massive outpouring of support for the democratically chosen govt and against U.S. interference in Iran's internal affairs.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
quit yer snivelling and have a laugh (3.60 / 5)


"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Wow (3.00 / 2)
Yers is much moar awesomer. Now I need to invest some real time in the next one.

Best toy ever.


[ Parent ]
dont do it! (4.00 / 1)
it takes waaay too much time :o)  But it's definitely cool as shit for a toy.

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
You win (1.33 / 3)
I'm gone. Good luck losing your sadistic qualities. You're gonna need it. Being nasty towards others is not a left wing value.

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[ Parent ]
you don't say? (3.50 / 2)
"Being nasty towards others is not a left wing value."

That's good advice there.

"May we live long and die out"


[ Parent ]
Iranian opposition and Obama seriously miscalculate (2.00 / 1)
Just introducing some reality into this dairy:

A serious miscalculation on the part of the green movement, by holding political rallies last Sunday during the holy ceremonies of Ashura, has clearly backfired, especially since some militant demonstrators turned violent and attacked police stations, threw Molotov cocktails at police vans, and beat up members of the riot police.

Both Mousavi and a number of intellectual leaders of the green movement, such as Akbar Ganji, have explicitly distanced themselves from the violent demonstrators, with Ganji going further and writing that "our problem today is that some notable personalities of the movement and many of its intellectuals have mortgaged themselves to the collective populist action [the opposition street rallies] ... Resorting to violence is not justifiable under any excuse." . . .

A much more important issue deals with the Barack Obama administration in the United States, in light of the US president's forceful condemnation last week of the government's crackdown on protesters, defending the latter as simply citizens who want their full democratic rights. For a president who took office a year ago by sending clear messages to Tehran that he was not interested in regime change in Iran, Obama now in some ways resembles his predecessor, George W Bush, who, before assuming the presidency and launching wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, kept promising America and the world that he was not interested in the US's role in "nation-building".

Obama's failure to condemn the anti-government violence in Iran and to urge law-abiding behavior by the opposition has been widely interpreted in Iran as a sign of the US's meddling in Iran's internal affairs, thus putting the green movement and its leadership on the defensive.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middl...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Hillary: (2.00 / 1)
"We seek sanctions on Iran gov't to avoid harming civilians"

And a 'State Department Official':

"Iran is going through a turbulent period. Even as we seek to address our concerns about Iran's nuclear program, including through offers of direct dialogue, we stand firmly with those in Iran who are peacefully demanding their universal rights to assemble, to speak publicly, and seek decent treatment from their government"

Well that clears that up.


[ Parent ]
Well I was cleaning through a bunch of old bookmarks (3.67 / 3)
And I found this little gem which somewhat relates:

http://www.monthlyreview.org/m...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


[ Parent ]
Under pwoggie radar (2.00 / 1)
Wedge issues apparently don't exist in other countries, and certainly could never be used by expat neoliberals to facilitate regime change. That's just crazy talk. Everyone knows the only wedge issues in existence are Gay Marriage and Abortion, and they're right here in America, safely confined to pwoggie rhetorical devicedom, and then only for use whilst sticking it to the 'rethugs'.

Even if there were such a thing as a 'liberal wedge issue', liberals wouldn't be susceptible, by definition. So quit digging up these ANCIENT, far-left articles that question otherwise.


[ Parent ]
lambert & corrente's anti-anti-killing-for-no-good-reason efforts (2.00 / 1)
I can't really fathom what the fuck they're on about, as you Brits say.

http://www.correntewire.com/do...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
That quote is taken from an article that has an ex-IRGC Expedience Council hardliner calling on (0.00 / 0)
Khamanei to "reconcile" with the movement, a gesture of weakness. This appears to be a "too little, too late" response to Mousavis own offer made from the movements growing strength. However, we may well be past the point where Mousavi has any ability to control and marshall the force of the movement.

The writer, of course, condemns the violence of the movement but not the Govt corruption that instigated the movement, nor the heavy handed bans on all opposition free press (see Germany, Nazi) nor the repressive, police state/paramilitary response to the movements rights of assembly since the fraudulent June elections.

Here is the lead paragraph:

Mohsen Rezaee, a former commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and a candidate in last year's presidential race, who is currently secretary of the powerful Expediency Council, has written to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urging him to issue a conciliatory statement that would set into motion "a new movement for unity and brotherhood of all".

He wrote, "[Opposition leader] Mr Mir Hossein Mousavi's retreat from denying the government of Mr [Mahmud] Ahmadinejad and his constructive suggestion that parliament and the judiciary should act according to their legal functions with respect to the government's responsiveness, although belated, could be the beginning of a unifying movement in the opposition front with others."

Too little too late because the fascist bully boys have already thrown down the banhammer on the movement and the movement has responded by growing in size and intensity.

The hardliner even calls for the Regime to reinstate the full powers of the Parliament and the Judiciary, which the clerical regime has rendered null and void by usurping its role in the govt. (see Fire, Reichstag).

Dtales, looosers, details....whats an unconstitutional power grab among friends of the fakeleft, anyway, as long as the Regime continues to oppose the Jooooos?

RIOTOUS!

Oh yeah, that takeover allows the Govt to sell off interest in its nationalised industries to its friends and cronies without the constitutionally required vote of Parliament to sanction the sale.

Another article in the same ATimes details the IRGC financial wheelings and dealing, which are undertaken illegally outside Parliaments purviews by the Regime increasingly since the coup d etat last June.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M...

The thrust of the article from which Failreft selectively quotes is that the Green Movement has entered a newly radicalised stage that clearly endangers the regime and the regime is making small efforts to backtrack, fnally. The writer wishes the horse back into the barn after the farmer has set the barn afire. Good ruck, dipshitz.

Pushed into a corner by a combination of repression from above and ill-advised tactics and strategies from below that has insulted the religious sensibility of Shi'ite Iranians, the green movement is gripped by a crisis of its own making, This now necessitates remedial measures to regain the peaceful and purely reformist nature of the movement from the clutches of extremist tendencies.

Should the green movement succeed in this difficult task of self-regrounding on a firm legalist and reformist footing, the guarded optimism about political reconciliation invoked in the above lines could be realized.

In conclusion, an important sign of the government's flexibility and willingness to tread the path of political reconciliation is its decision to allow the pro-reform newspaper, Bahar, to publish again after being banned. Led by Saeed Pour Azizi, a former press secretary of former president Mohammad Khatami, Bahar is destined to fill an important vacuum in articulating a sound, coherent and measured reformist discourse in Iran.

The US fake Left desperately wants to delegitimize the dissent of the people of Iran while somehow building legitimate dissent within this country against a Govt that they view as more corrupt than Iran's. Whatever. To each his own brand of poison.

Typing monkeys sitting in their cubicles don't build political movements. Taking to the streets builds political movements. As. Iran. Proves. Again.

Yur simply showing yur true colours thruout this entire episode, which is why I keep pounding it home. The FakeLeft conveniently ditches its "peacenikkk" and "fairness"  ideals to side with the blatant corruption, violence and teh worst of human rights abuses on the face of the earth in places like Iran and Afpakastan simply because the instigators of the abuses are anti-Amerikkkan and anti-Israeli.

Neo-Nazi like tendencies, those. Wright, Blews?

Doesnt even matter to these "leftists" that the perps of the ongoing "jihads" against the west and their own moderate people are fervently religious whackos who hate secular leftism more than any other political ideology! As proven in Afghanistan and Iran during the 1980s, the Fake Left will be swinging from ropes first.

RIOTOUS!

Nice attempted propaganda effort, Reft.

Fail!


[ Parent ]
Your pretend Iran expertise is charming, but (2.00 / 1)
I'll go with the AsiaTimes Pakistan correspondent's take. I'm sure we'll all find out soon whether the coup will be successful or whether the elected govt will remain in place.

Wanna play the prediction game? That could improve your credibility if you're right! I'll start: Ahmadinejad will still be in office this time next year. You wanna take the opposite side of that prediction, or are you gonna whimp out?

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


[ Parent ]
no friar (3.00 / 1)
you don't support the ayafooker and ajad you just contiually foist the notion that Ajad won the elction. nevermind you have no fuckin clue about what went on, nevermind you quote selectively from sources and quote ajad dick suckers to back your case.

you still havn't backed off one iota in your faith that ajad won. you're not even open to the possibility that the results were fraudulent. that the election was stolen.

pathetic. it's why arguing with you is fairly pointless. you're an ideolgue with fixed notions.


[ Parent ]
Besides, whether Ahmadickawadd is in office is beside the point (0.00 / 0)
as is the entire "pointless" predictions game. Failreft always plays this dumb game when he's been rhetorically stumped, which happens frequently. Ahmadickawad may personally survive the rest of his term even if Ayafooker kakameimi gets the boot or takes a powder with his billions just ahead of the lynch mob. Whatever. The Czar lasted more than a decade after the first rebellion, too. Hitler lasted for twelve years in power.

And the AsiaTimes writer said much differently than Failreft's selective misreading. Of course. Thats why he'll never learn. Blinded by his own vanity into misreading the truth. There has been no coup. There is a popular rebellion that is growing in strength and intensity owing to the growing awareness among average people left in the dark by their govt of immense corruption and theft of power from popular political institutions (AKA Parliament and Judiciary). The writer is not predicting, he is (rather weakly) calling for the regime to change its ways, reform itself, before its too late. Pyrrhiod.

The predictions game is for Vegas. Bet yur money Failreft. Come back in a year and show us yur winnings. Big deal.

You can say you were right and the theofascists still hold power a year from now.

The point is that there is a popular uprising against a fascist theocracy and Failreft backs the fascist theocracy retaining its power because he fantasizes that they have somehow escaped the "US-administered [increasingly on behalf of the Chinese] globalized corporate borg" at whose trough Failreft will always feed, with his reins tied firmly to the corporate borg whipping post.

RIOTOUS!


[ Parent ]
So, donkeytale whimps out on the prediction game (0.00 / 0)
Like I thought, no credibility and doesn't wanna do anything to gain some.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
These are the types of asses you guys are trying to reason with (2.00 / 3)
Stu Piddy ::
I suspect...just guessing that 911 was a Israeli operation, with help from people, perhaps some of our own neo cons and from Arab or "muslim" extremists who fell into this operation through Israeli intelligence which set it up, perhaps without the players knowing that.

Either that, something like or near that,  or the world is accurately reported to us by the standard news media.

I believe the world is not real. And neither are most of the people in it. History is all lies and he who controls the past controls the present and the past is all lies and therefore so is the present.

We are in the midst of 1984...it's just not like it was imagined to be.

It's all very unreal. It's interesting though....but it's getting and is going to get much worse.



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[ Parent ]
socrates Pretending To Be Stu Piddy ::? See - He's A Born Liar !!! (2.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Get your facts straight next time, dumbass (3.00 / 2)
I guess Blues is in some kind of agreement that Stu Piddy made a dumbass post blaming Israel for 9/11. His take is that I manufactured the post. Whatever. I've had even stupiddier ad hominems thrown at me than this one many times. Never proven. When I make a rare mistake and someone calls me on it, I retract. I am no liar.

Stu is merely a different form of crazy from Blues. Blues is predicting a pogrom in America. That's strange. I thought the Joos owned America. Oooh, there are those bad Ashkenazi Jews who teamed up with Hitler. The few bad Jews are going to kill off their own. The neocons are their mind control slaves. Bad Joo MK Ultra or something idiotic like that. Sometimes the tinfoil is spread extra thick, and there's no way to describe it for normal people like doberman pinche, donkeytale, and anyone else who's sane. Right woos left takes many forms of idiocy on the net.

You look like an idiot, Blues. I copied and pasted from a Stu Piddy post from FSZ. Now go take your meds.



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[ Parent ]
That Post Was Inserted By socrates, But Was Made To Look Like Stu Inserted It. That's Just Plain Lying (4.33 / 3)
Typical disingenuousness from a Jewish supremacist neocon. Give them an inch, and they will take a mile. As always.

[ Parent ]
Extra playtime denied!!!! (5.00 / 1)


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Donkeytale, it feels like we are the two main characters from Cuckoo's Nest (3.00 / 1)
I just can't figure out which of us is Jack Nicholson and who is the big Native-American. p*>

Hmmm, so blues wants people to think I was trying to portray Stu Piddy as having "inserted" the post in question? Tough to do that when our usernames are posted at the end of each entry.

I see this as damage control. I think Blues was originally saying I made up that Stu Piddy post. Then when I put up the screenshot proving Stu was actually spinning global Joo conspiracy theory, blues came up with some numbnut form of plausible deniability. Or more like when GW made the crack about looking under the table or rug and saying no weapons of mass destruction there. Or more like when GW got drunk and smashed up his own face.

Nonetheless, I am going to give Blues a holy rating for his last post. Not that I am saying it is true, but that is the kind of entertaining crazy talk that fakeleft might want to add to his reportoire. Boring crazy talk is a drag. Blues' crazy talk can be quite enjoyable. I thank him for this.

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Blews is grateness--- also illustrative of the type of "leftist" Failreft and LauraJohn attract with their line of FakeLeft BS (3.00 / 2)
Did you follow the link Failreft "threw up" (pun intended) to his latest "blame the soldiers" schtick at correntewire?

RIOTOUS!

They nailed him to the wall pretty good there and he's over here bragging about it! STOP THE PRESSES!!!Failreft has now been a confirmed punchout at yet another blog that doesnt buy one iota into his condescending nonsense.

Someone even called him out on his unsourced right wing  (as usual) claim that the military is fairly represented by socioeconomic class. This is the typikkkal Heritage Foundation BS trotted out to help the PTB dismiss leftist calls for reinstating the military draft.

Which of course Failreft also opposes. He wants a professional army but he wants to counsel the redmeat heads to be vegetarians.....dream on, looooser, especially since we will never see you actually out at the high schools in the Red States yurslef.

What a fricking joke.

And Abbeybooks claims you are the masochist! Clearly, she hasnt been following the "fair harried" dude on his slef appointed rounds.

This dude has "Everlast" stitched onto his leather punching bag of a forehead....

This is why I love the whiteysphere!



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Here's the link to tha "Thrilla in Vanilla" (4.00 / 1)
yet another workmanlike whiteyspheric thread smackdown of our fellow kkklueless kkkomrade...how many pwoggie blog snuffings of failreft does that total now? 7-8 at least by my count, including here on his home turf....and still he thinks everybody else just doesnt get it...well, except for LJ and Blews, that is...

RIOTOUS!

http://www.correntewire.com/do...

I wouldn't normally re-post the link but "Vanity of Vanities Saith the Preacher" KKKing Solomon of teh whiteysphere actually posted it himself!

Wow. Just Wow.

Even gets torched by some non-Don Rickles Buddhist schtick. Excellent. "compassion without skillfullness is dangerous."

RIOTOUS! Well said, that. And 1000000000% applicable in the case of our "utopian socialist" peacenikkk here...


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Good points, donkeytale (4.00 / 1)
He definitely got his arse whupped. Fakeleft is a chump. In his signature, he provides a link to his profile page here. Great! The lads at Correntwire can take a looksie and see him talking up CIA tinfoil theories as his justification for supporting the oppressive regime in Iran.

Yes, he was spouting some right wing rhetoric on the socio-economic status of who enlists. He's basically pinning the blame for all wars on soldiers. He's pumping out smoke and mirrors for who should be the target, the politicians and the military.

Yes also about his condescending blogging. That's not the way to win hearts and minds or something to do with bees and honey. He sounds like a caricature of a thoughtless lefty radical, the ones who by chance got hold of the communist pamphlets. If circumstances had been different, he very well could have become a hare krishna. He is a very confused lad. Methinks his intellect is not at the level of his emotions.

Though to be honest, the most striking thing about that linked to thread is the following. Notice how the posts get crunched, if subthreads go on too long? Brings back fond memories of our adventures at DFQ, don't it?

I'm loving this. These fools have done more for the promotion of my esoteric theories and finds than anything else possibly could.  

And of course fakeleft couldn't help himself by bringing in the topic of rape for a failed analogy. Did I mention that while fakeleft was slamming Francis Holland at MLW, he was showing support for thereisnorape? He was for the CIA, before he was against it. Rioticity.

The thrilla in vanilla. Nice one. You the man. Oh yeah, one more thing, the prospects for Afghanistan do not look good. $5-10 billion and 200-500 killed or wounded a month is the projection. You might want ro reconsider your support of Obama on that one. Though, maybe I am putting words in your mouth. Apologies in advance if that's the case.

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once in a while it (5.00 / 1)
would be prudent for you to just shut your psychotic mouth and quit playing the outraged little cunt. Right or wrong, Fairleft has one thing, among others, that you dont have. Integrity.

"He's basically pinning the blame for all wars on soldiers. "



"May we live long and die out"


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This advice could go out to lots of people (0.00 / 0)
including Failreft. Maybe him most of all.

once in a while it (0.00 / 0)
would be prudent for you to just shut your psychotic mouth and quit playing the outraged whiny little cunt.

If worthless bullshit = integrity, then I agree, Failreft has loads of it. The fact is he has zero integrity. Less in fact. He has disintegrity.  

Or maybe you simply mispelled the word "hypocrisy?"

And as for being a lapdog, Super, what do you call yurself?

An (Iranian Revolutionary) guard dog?

[:o)

 


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So, donkeytale doesn't wanna chance the prediction game again (2.00 / 1)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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donkeytale plays the safe card (3.50 / 2)
and then runs it into the ground. Any idiot can spout off Party line propaganda. But not everyone has their own poodle to skip around behind them, licking their balls, like DT gets from Sacratease. Two nuts in a sack.

"May we live long and die out"

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"compassion without skillfullness is dangerous" (0.00 / 0)
These are very wise words, Super. Hoepfully, Failreft will allow the meaning to seep in through his hard wall of egotistical defensiveness. But I wouldnt hold my breath.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly, anyone can spout off Iranian State Media party propaganda.

Did you even read this diary, dude?

Gandhi's/Mandela's way worked because they were willing to die. The Iranian rebels are willing to fight and die. Are you willing to die Super? Is Failreft willing to die?

Dying on a blog doesnt count. If you aren't, then you have no business spouting about people's relative integrity or purpose on a blog.

WIthout willingness to die, there is no movement. There is just more blah blah blog. In that, we are all equals.

P)yrrhiod.




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