Shadowthief/ Donkeytale e-mails

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by: pff noom @ Fri Dec 25, 2009 at 15:44:10 PM CST

Do you want the lecture about how insulted you ought to feel? (4.00 / 2)

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 01:52:17 AM CST

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yeah sure bro (3.00 / 2)

spill the beanz

pvvvvvvvt

no boot sersly, let's hear the lecture - a word eye've always hated. let's hear it bro. yes eye want to hear this lecture of which you speak. lecture. the floor is yours. stop tongueing it already. go!

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by: pff noom @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 12:25:52 PM CST

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anywoon (3.00 / 2)

scene this boolshite

New in-flight restrictions ordered in wake of attempted attack

    Travelers on planes to the United States will face new in-flight restrictions in the wake of an attempted attack on a Detroit-bound flight.

New security measures will require passengers to remain seated for the entire hour before landing, according to new Transportation Security Administration rules detailed by Air Canada in a statement to its customers.

Travelers could also be subject to a physical search of carry-on bags before boarding the plane. Passengers will also not be allowed to access carry-on baggage or have any personal items on their laps during the last hour of flight.

In addition, passengers will not be allowed to use pillows or blankets up to an hour before the plane touches down, NBC reported.

The changes in policy comes after Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian man with alleged ties to al-Qaeda, attempted an attack on a flight as it prepared to land in Detroit Friday.

           "Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Saturday in a statement. "These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."

Abdulmutallab was subdued before his attack could be fully carried out and the plane landed without fatalities. He received third-degree burns during the alleged terror attempt.

President Obama spoke with his security advisers Saturday morning, White House spokesman Bill Burton said. "He received an update on the heightened air travel safety measures being taken to keep the American people safe and on the investigation. The President will continue to actively monitor the situation, " Burton said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/n...

so soom wackjob tries soom attack ack ack on a plane. now they wanna strap everybody in. wtf mayn. shit next thing they're goona do iz seat everyone in a gd cage! next thing ya nose everyone's goona have 2 travel like that dude who likes human livers wit beans. pvvvvvvttt

hannibal lecter. strapped in, face masked and caged yo! eye mean eye coode see implementing these lecterish restrictions on Byron or wtf, boot this shites goin 2 far....

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by: fake noom @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 15:51:42 PM CST

yeah man (3.00 / 3)

they take away yer blankets 2 fer the last hour according to the farticle, that meanz donkey turd's goona have 2 stop strokin' himslef fer 60 whole minutes yo!

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by: pff noom @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 16:21:25 PM CST

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Y'know I was thinkin the same thing (3.00 / 1)

What if I have to go tinkle? Spposed to pee in the barf bag or wtf?

I mean all those Southwest flights dont last but an hr anyway...they might as well rip out the lavatories and add more seats...

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by: donkeytale @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 16:25:09 PM CST

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Lambert is quite the little nazi pussy (2.00 / 1)

So I got banned from Corrente which is no surprise.  I was quite surprised to find I was the oldest commentator they have or rather had on that board having been a member for over four years during which time I had never posted anything.  I wonder if my membership was just carried over from the older site.  Does that mean they have retained zero commentators from that era?  (other than me?)

So Lambert is quite the nazi pussy and actually has a rule that if you say anything negative about him in response to his flaming you then you get banned making him the worst moderator in the history of forever I think.  Both a nazi and a pussy.  Considering how often he gets kicked off boards you'd think he'd be better but I guess he's like Marisacat with the entire purpose of his board being ego and revenge.

Banned within 24 hours over Christmas Day.  Impressive but no record holder since several sites banned me before I ever knew of their existence, so sorry Lambert, no banana for you.

Initial response from other commentators to his threats to ban me were to tell him not to (two out of two) which speaks well of the blog in general, although as usual post-banning loyalty oaths will probably kick in now I am gone (to the extent anything happens since I was in and out so fast).

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Dec 26, 2009 at 17:52:33 PM CST

Lighten up, Francis (0.00 / 0)

Dude, it's one thing to get banned from DKos or even MaryScotty's, but it's time to look in the mirror when you can't survive anywhere except for places that don't ban. See a shrink or something for your bad temper. Oh yeah, you still haven't explained what you mean by calling for the destruction of Israel. Is that part of the aiming higher campaign or the you love patriarchy one?

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by: socrates @ Sun Jan 10, 2010 at 01:04:55 AM CST

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Byron Can Post At My Blogs, And I Ban (0.00 / 0)

There is nothing pernicious about Byron. He just has an unusual perspective. So much nonsense goes on around here I may go and re-activate one of my old blogs! I'm using multiple plug-ins to develop a really new type of blog, so it might be interesting.

I may be sarcastic, or angry, or even insulting at times, but I'm not vicious, or mean, or calling people crazy (like so many others are).

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by: blues @ Sun Jan 10, 2010 at 11:09:55 AM CST

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NHS at DailyKos (0.00 / 0)

HCR Bill - a British perspective

HCR Bill - a Frenchman's viewpoint [UPDATE]

Couple of reclist diaries on health care in the UK and France.  Got to say that the NHS comes across as the winner to me.  For one thing it costs a whole shit load less.  Way less.  The French health care system is the best in the world but it's also about the most expensive (apart from stupid America obviously, ha!  but I mean it's the most expensive of genuine health systems of which America has none).

What really struck me though was that the French system didn't cover everyone in France until as recently as 1999.  Holy crap!  Quelle merde!  Sacre bleu!  Mon Dieu!  The British have had their beloved NHS for over sixty years.  

On July 5, 1948, at the Park Hospital (now known as Trafford General Hospital) in Manchester, Bevan unveiled the National Health Service and stated, "We now have the moral leadership of the world".

Perhaps a little over stated since the UK had not yet jettisoned the empire for the most part, but actually that's something really good that the UK had going way WAY ahead of other countries it seems.  Especially as politically the NHS still seems ahead of its time being both universal, free and paid through taxes (not premiums or in any way related to ability to pay).  Everything government owned and controlled (1.3 million employees)

They used to say the NHS was the biggest employer in the world "except the Chinese Army".  I thought that was a joke but apparently it's still close to true.

As of March 2005, the NHS has 1.3 million workers, and is said to be either the third or fifth largest workforce in the world, after the Chinese Army, Indian Railways and (as argued by Jon Hibbs, the NHS's head of news, in a press release from March 22, 2005) Wal-Mart and the United States Department of Defense.[8][9] The BBC quotes an alternative workforce of 1.33 million people in 2004.[10][11]

Having said that for some obscure reason the NHS in Scotland, Wales and NI are all separate for those figures so maybe if you added those in.....

Anyway just reading through the French guy's spiel makes you really appreciate the NHS.  Him going on about how it had to be added bit by bit.  Nope.  NHS was all in one act good to go in two years from the bill's enactment.  All done in one big go, perfect the first time.  So there.

And the only walkback conservatives have managed on it in over 60 years are presecription charges (only for those who are gainfully employed) which are actually very reasonable and small (though always the subject of complaints nevertheless).

The other problem with the French system was its non-progressive form of financing since it seems to be something like a flat 25-30% tax on all income as a flat rate.  And its control by employers.  And it's privatised nature.  

The French system is top quality but I think I prefer the NHS system anyway.  I am actually amazed that it seems like the NHS has for sixty years been the best and for much of that time perhaps ONLY universal health care system of any country.

Remember Agincourt !!

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 00:16:31 AM CST

NHS emergency treatment free to foreigners (0.00 / 0)

In the UK, medical treatment for emergencies is always free - regardless of your nationality, how long you've been in the UK, or any other factors. So, for instance, if you fall, break your leg, and have to be taken in an ambulance to A&E, you won't have to pay for the immediate NHS treatment you receive.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 00:25:44 AM CST

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Wikipedia tries to snub NHS (0.00 / 0)

Says Germans had first universal health system.  This is bullshit.  Just because Germany had a decidedly not-universal system in place earlier (1883) doesn't mean they had the first universal system.  In fact the more I read up on this I am surprised how few countries didn't get genuine universal coverage until pretty recently.  So perhaps the US isn't as far behind everyone else as I had thought.  Perhaps 20 years instead of 60 years.

[dates for German health system] In 1901 transport and office workers came to be covered by public health insurance, followed in 1911 by agricultural and forestry workers and domestic servants, and in 1914 by civil servants. Coverage was extended to the unemployed in 1918, to seamen in 1927, and to all dependents in 1930. In 1941 legislation was passed that allowed workers whose incomes had risen above the income ceiling for compulsory membership to continue their insurance on a voluntary basis. The same year, coverage was extended to all retired Germans. Salespeople came under the plan in 1966, self-employed agricultural workers in 1972, and students and the disabled in 1975.

Even so it looks like the best you can say is that the UK had the first non-communist universal health care system because Stalin seems to have beaten the Brits by about ten years and then various other communist countries come close after the UK (China, Cuba etc).  Well I guess that's no surprise.  

I guess nobody talks about Stalin creating the first universal health care system and saving untold millions of lives because nobody wants to say Stalin had "the moral leadership of the world", although I think I've previously pointed out that Mao / communism saved a hell of a lot more Chinese (net) than capitalism / democracy saved in India.  It's almost as if only the bad things that happened as a result of communism ever get recorded....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 02:42:47 AM CST

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What is quite ironic (0.00 / 0)

is that if you google "Stalin" and "health care" you get a lot of hits on people attacking certain health care suggestions, especially Obama's in the US, with "Stalin" as if that was a bad thing!

In reality it is like saying your democracy is "Athenian" or something.

Isn't that funny how Americans twist history 180 degrees around like that?

http://www.marxists.org/archiv...

This is a report on Soviet / Stalinist health care in 1933 by a Brit and a Yankee.  They are very anti-communist btw so their conclusions are the more telling,

from the preface,

WHEN A RUSSIAN becomes ill the Government does something about it. In fact, the Government has already done something about it, for Soviet Russia has decided that the health of the individual is the concern of society as a whole. Indeed, the Soviet Union is the one nation in the world which has undertaken to set up and operate a complete organization designed to provide preventive and curative medical care for every man, woman, and child within its borders.

This vast and fascinating experiment in socialized health may not turn out as well as its originators expected, or it may turn out better. In any case it is an experiment that the rest of the world cannot afford to ignore.

and the conclusion,

The position of the U.S.S.R. as already seen is very special. In some essential particulars it has surpassed all other countries in its socialization of medicine. It has removed the doctor almost entirely from the field of monetary competition, and has thus abolished a chief source of inadequate medical service. It has made a gratuitous (that is, statepaid) medical service of an astonishingly complete character promly available for the vast majority of urban populations, a service which is being rapidly extended to rural Russia; and it has given the whole of this service an admirable turn in the direction of social as well as medical preventive measures.

It has constituted a single unit system of medical service for the population, freed from the complications, overlappings, and gaps of western medicine. However, the occurrence of gaps in the service for rural Russia is admitted.

These are great achievements. The new arrangements are far from perfect; but perfection could not be expected after only a dozen years of strenuous organization. But other countries may well envy Soviet Russia's elaborately centralized government in this respect, in that it has been able to brush aside all past complexities and to initiate a nearly universal national medical service on unified lines, untrammeled by such complications as exist in western Europe and America. There are some advantages in starting, as Russia has done, almost from zero point; but the realization of unification and of universality of a satisfactory medical service, available for all who cannot now afford it, should not be beyond the reach of other countries.

And in fact some recognised that the good that communism was bringing was a threat to capitalism.  (two other authors quoted from the conclusion follow)

the only method by which the United States can prevent its adoion is to display equal efforts in a drive for social reform ... those communists in Russia really are on fire with sacrificial and determined zeal, at all costs, even at the cost of ruthless persecution, to build what seems to them a more decent society, and the only way we can ultimately compete with them is to be, at least, equally zealous for social reformation." And he concludes: "What if in the end these atheists in Russia should turn out to care more for building a better social order than we Christians in America do? That is the moral crux of the competition between us.

67 years later.... still no universal health care in the US.

The world has to find response to the promise of communism in alternative forms, or it will discover that neither the crimes nor the follies of the Russian experiment will lessen the power to compel kindred action. In other words, the only way to avoid communism is to prove by public policy that it is unnecessary. Thoughtful men and women in every walk of life are searching seriously today for such alternative forms; statesmen are seeking a public policy which will serve to rehabilitate capitalism and avoid the catastrophe which would probably be the attribute of communism.

So my reading of all that is that Stalin didn't just get universal health care first but in all likelihood he provided the stimulus to get it in other countries either by example (communist) or in fear of competition (capitalist).

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 03:35:07 AM CST

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It has a lot of other stuff about how the Stalinist reforms are going (0.00 / 0)

100% employment, paid vacations, education and literacy, free creches at work, women's equality... all that tyranical despot stuff Stalin is famous for.... probably why half young Russians say Stalin did more good than bad and 37% said they'd vote for him if he was around today.

Hell on that basis maybe we could get Stalin to run against Obama in 2012?  A lot of that still isn't available in the US, especially the 100% employment thing.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 03:44:18 AM CST

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The whole essay has a kind of Alexis de Tocqueville / Domocracy in America thing going for it (0.00 / 0)

but with a heavy medical bent to it.  However it goes over enough details to show that the USSR at the time was probably the most advanced democracy in the world too.  Again not exactly what you associate with "Stalinesque".

One comment in it suggests the authors think that Denmark might be #2 ranked for health care accessibility.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 20:05:15 PM CST

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Stalin introduces the seven hour work day in 1927 (0.00 / 0)

This was on a weird experimental 4 days work, one day off work week which compared with the US around the same time had just reduced the work day to 8 hours and had just transitioned from one day a week off to half-day Saturdays to the current weekend system.  However the soviets also had paid vacation.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 22:26:32 PM CST

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Stalin on gender issues... (0.00 / 0)

EVERYWHERE in our travels we saw illustrations of the general fact that sex differences do not count in the outer life of Soviet Russia. There were women conductors of tramcars, and often women did the switching at intricate junctions. Women worked at roadmending, and in factories they were doing heavy work alongside men. Many women engage in occupations usually regarded as suitable only for men, as, for instance, following the sea, and in underground mining. We met more women doctors than men doctors.(1) We all know that Russian women soldiers distinguished themselves in the Great War.

At one of our meetings with local authorities a woman acted as head and chief spokesman of a deputation of public health officials. Women, like men, become citizens at the age of eighteen. The industrial rule is to give equal pay for equal work, and no distinction is made between men and women in sickness insurance benefits; although women receive in addition maternity benefits. Women have actively promoted such institutions as public laundries, public dining centres, and public nurseries, which help to release them from household cares and free them for industrial and political activities. This political activity of women is not new; women played an important part in the "Nihilist" and other revolutionary activities. Moreover, women in Russia have always engaged in heavy labor, working side by side with men, but the control over their life and labor was entirely in the hands of men before the Revolution. Women in Russia have been completely emancipated. They enjoy complete political and economic equality.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 23:39:47 PM CST

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Dude, this is off-topic (0.00 / 0)

But that's ok according to donkeytale. But anyway, I think you should return to this forum. You know you miss Blues and Stupiddy.  

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by: socrates @ Sun Jan 10, 2010 at 01:09:26 AM CST

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Empty Wheel calls out Obama (0.00 / 0)

It's been a long time coming.  Finally got the official FDL "fuck Obama" on the Dawn Johnsen  thing:

http://emptywheel.firedoglake....

Why Did Obama Kill The Dawn Johnsen Nomination?

In the end, it is likely Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel and the servants of the status quo simply did not really want a true advocate for governmental transparency, a critic who excoriated Bush/Cheney policies on warrantless wiretapping, torture, indefinite detention, ignoring international treaties and conventions, and concentration of power in a unitary executive; all policies the Obama Administration has substantially co-opted as its own. So Dawn Johnsen was a pawn, a shiny object, catnip for a desperate liberal base; but in the end, as always, Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel just didn't really care about their liberal base who put them in office.

There is a lot of detritus in the wake of the Obama White House duplicity on the Dawn Johnsen nomination. They humiliated Dawn Johnsen by letting her twist in the wind, wasted a year of her life, disrupted the faculty and student body of the Indiana University School of Law and sold out a huge block of liberal and progressive voters who were the very voters and ground organizers carrying Obama to election in the first place.

 

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 10:51:03 AM CST

Will nobody tell Cenk how full of shit he is? (0.00 / 0)

Cenk Uygur is flogging his crappy diary around the blogosphere and nobody seems to have the ability (due to censorship) or the balls or the knowledge to tell him he's wrong.

Here at FDL:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com...
dKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
HuffPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

And beyond his own site, at:
http://www.opednews.com/articl...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/t...

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar...

http://patrickhenrypress.info/...

http://www.democraticundergrou...

Google hits go on for pages and pages.

This is the heap of shit that starts off:

After talking about this with a great many progressives on our show, I've come to some conclusions. These are so self-evident that they will be viewed as obvious in hindsight.

Does he mean well or does he have bad intentions? Come on, don't be ridiculous. Of course, he means well.

Did any of those people you talked to have any more of a clue about Obama a year ago than the fucking clueless Cenk Uygur?

This is nothing but 100% transparent save Obama's lilly white ass stuff:

You can criticize him for lack of imagination, duplicity during the campaign, lack of spine and political miscalculation. And you might be right about some or all of that, but all of those aren't the essence of Obama. The core of Obama is a man who is a cautious politician. That is what he is at his center. He can't help himself.

Obama can't help it!  Don't blame Obama!  So who is to blame?  Why everyone else of course.  It's all our fault that Obama is acting like a fucking douche bag.

And people are actually saluting this pile of shit from a guy who was utterly clueless about Obama (and obviously remains so -- unless he's faking it all too which is certainly a strong possibility I'd say).

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 11:46:45 AM CST

As wide ranging as his posts have been (0.00 / 0)

I don't think he's posted his crap anywhere I could reply to it except if I sign up at his own site which is a pretty laborious process from what I can see.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 11:48:12 AM CST

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An example of why I am a bit lery of the Young Turks site (0.00 / 0)

http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

Cenk,
I'm a captain in the TYT Army, and would follow my commander (YOU) off a cliff.

that's a comment at FDL not the turks' site.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 11:51:34 AM CST

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Found one comment against the insanity (0.00 / 0)

http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

I'm just an old guy, no job, no influence, a real nobody; and you're a man with his own show, so take this with a grain of salt.

But IMO, that post was hogwash. The best he could do "in this system"???

Bullshit. There is only ONE system. .....

No, President Obama CHOSE these outcomes, based on the system he CHOSE to highlight. ....

They knowingly CHOSE this system, and thus this outcome.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 11:55:54 AM CST

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more dissent from the happy-happy faux criticism of great leader (0.00 / 0)

http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

Does he mean well or does he have bad intentions? Come on, don't be ridiculous. Of course, he means well.

Faulty assumption on which you base all of our conclusions. Well for whom? So far he's "meant well" for Goldman Sachs and for Wall St. and the insurance companies. Bread and circuses for the masses. Obama never was a progressive and in reality, his political thinking is much closer to Rockefeller Republicanism (pro-big business, pro expansion of American Empire, keep the masses in line) than anything else.

I ought to mention this dissent from the RIGHT of Cenk:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

And in fact he defends his position effectively whereas the two people who criticised Cenk from the left got no replies and no discussion going.

And that is fucking pathetic for about the most left-ward leaning pwoggie board in the pwoggieverse.  And that is the state of play with the pwoggies at the end of 2009.  Fucking pathetic losers all of them.  Hell, losers?  Losers at least play the game.

Hugh (one of the most lefty people still at FDL) posts a comment that rips apart the diary without at any point suggesting it disagrees with it which is quite odd but it is the sort of thing you see with these authoritarian groups sometimes.  I imagine very few if any readers figured that he was disagreeing witht he main dairy in any way.  Well judge for yourself (copied in full).

http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

Some of us have been opposing Obama's Blue Dog corporatism for some time now. I for one keep a list of Obama scandals on the web much as I did for Bush precisely as an antidote to our tendency to forget all the myriad events, stories, and scandals that assault us, and the exploitation of this amnesia by our political leaders and the trolls who defend them.

I disagree though that Obama is triangulating. You can't square the progressive rhetoric with the conservative action. He is where he is ideologically because that is where he is. It is not simply where he finds himself. Nor is he cautious. A first term Senator doesn't get to become President by being cautious. A cautious President doesn't promise escalation in Afghanistan.

Nor do I accept that winning the Presidency suddenly resulted in his capture by Washington interests. He may have been a first term Senator but he was one for 2 1/2 years before starting his run for the office in 2007. So he already knew about the Washington bubble. The idea that it captured him only after his winning the election is, I think, untrue. The idea too that he has done so little because he is limited in what he can do is likewise untrue. The truth is he never tried. But leaving aside the story that he was hobbled by Congress, look at what he has or could have done in other areas, where this was far less a concern. In particular, I would point to the seemingly never-ending stream of really noxious briefs emanating from his Department of Justice which in many cases not only continue but seek to expand claims of Presidential power and immunity. I would add there is nothing cautious in these.

In my view, Obama is and acts like a Blue Dog status quo corporatist, period, full stop. We can only oppose him, just as we could only oppose Bush. The only means we have to modify his actions is, as Cenk says, to exact a price at the polls (although Obama and Rahm might use this as an excuse to move even further to the right) and to try to convince what few actual progressive legislators are in Congress to spike his efforts and win some concrete concessions in return. I don't hold out much hope for the second. I think our best hope is to primary as many Democrats as we can with progressive alternatives and hope for(and look for) an outsider Perot-like candidate for 2012.

And that's it.  4 dissent, and one of those from the right.  Out of over 200 comments on arguably the least diskish pwoggie board there is.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 12:18:12 PM CST

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There's a perfect irony (0.00 / 0)

that the entire happy-happy diary is talking in terms of Overton Window shift to the left by pushing Obama, and yet the only shift actually exhibited in the thread is a shift to the RIGHT by the adulation of this Obama apologist cenk Uygur, and by the acceptance of his apologia that Obama is really on "our side" but just needs to be pushed a bit and that really its all our fault he hasn't been able to do more.

Even Hugh's replies avoid laying down any bright line against the Obama apologia and use phrases like, "as Cenk says..."

In view of the recent rumblings of discontent seen at FDL this diary, easily the main talking point at FDL over the limited Christmas period, is a huge backwards step from where they have been cautiously approaching a point where they can actually "begin to fight".

And of course still no sign anywhere of "Nader was right" (although one or two commentators still not banned there probably are/were Nader supporters they do not push this vital theme)

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 12:27:18 PM CST

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While writing all this another 50 comments at FDL (0.00 / 0)

Including this very good response to Cenk:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

Cenk,

I have a very different perception of Barack Obama because I see a man without empathy who believes people deserve what they get because anyone can be anything he or she chooses to be. People who are unhappy with their circumstances in life are responsible for those circumstances and should blame themselves instead of blaming others. He worships power and wealth aggressively and with Machiavellian efficiency and ruthlessness he overcame every obstacle and achieved the impossible by becoming President of the United States. He sees himself as living proof of his beliefs and now he wants to effect change that forces people to accept responsibility for their lives by eliminating all government assistance to the needy and creating a free market economy.

Barack Obama's value system and philosophy is as counter progressive as it is possible for a person to be and there isn't anything we can do to change him. We represent what he despises and this is why he systematically excluded us from having a voice in his administration.

Barack Obama is a ruthless and dangerous man and we must do everything we can to expose and discredit him so that he has no chance to serve a second term.

Emphasis mine.  Fucking A.  Someone actually moving the goddam Overton Window in a thread where a 100 morons aplaude the idea of moving the fucking Overton Window.

I don't recognise that guy's handle so he might be a newbie at FDL.  Anyway the only good reply in 250 comments.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 12:34:02 PM CST

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And no replies of agreement (0.00 / 0)

to any of the 4 posts that I listed as critical of Cenk.  So not only are there few dissenters able to articulate what is wrong but even fewer people can recognise it when presented on a plate for them.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 12:36:49 PM CST

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Your meta is soooo boring (0.00 / 0)

Just fricken pick a new username and post at the joints, be civil, and shut your piehole about feminism and calls for Israel's destruction. Then guess what, no one will ban you.  

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by: socrates @ Sun Jan 10, 2010 at 01:11:44 AM CST

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By the way (5.00 / 1)

Does anyone actually give a crap about any of the recent reportage I've been doing on these big-assed threads at FDL or elsewhere in trying to monitor the state of the pwoggieverse?  maybe I should just quit.  I figured if I had to wade through all that crap then nobody else need do so, but maybe these things are not even of interest to anyone in sumarised format?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Dec 27, 2009 at 12:39:39 PM CST

just now , DB (3.67 / 3)

just now reading through this thread.

I mean, I'm somewhat interested. In a slow motion train wreck  kind of way. But really, it's hardly anything new to find out that millions of Americans are functionally sleepwalking through life. Waking up only long enough to burp, eat, vote in another imperialist, and murder a few million brown people.

When I read your threads here I get the sense that you're searching for some evidence that there is a mass resistance germinating, somewhere out there. I can almost sense s futile hope on your part. If that's true then I think you've given far too much credit to people who obviously by this time, aren't even capable anymore of transformation away from the herdspeak.

It's almost sad to see you searching for signs of intelligent life out there. Sort of like rereading history books about the conquest of Native American culture and hoping to find a thousand Little Bighorns.

"May we live long and die out"

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by: supersoling @ Fri Jan 08, 2010 at 20:26:23 PM CST

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