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James Cameron's Avatar is Subversive. Encourages U.S. Military to Turn Against Itself

by: Stu Piddy

Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 16:16:20 PM EST


Avatar is a film that clearly suggests the U.S. military should abandon it's "Invasions" all over the world against native peoples.

It suggests that the U.S. military is involved in it's many wars, it's invasions of foreign lands for profit and that it seeks to use liberal marketing through rhetoric to dampen the public's guilt that these wars are racial and for profit. In Avatar, the wars are presented as being necessary for security reasons.  

Stu Piddy :: James Cameron's Avatar is Subversive. Encourages U.S. Military to Turn Against Itself
Avatar suggests that real heroes in the military should turn their guns on their own members and fight the military.

There is no question about it. It's an Anti War propaganda film.

I wonder if the U.S. military has any idea on how this film will be received by those who see it in various theaters of war that the U.S. is now involved in.

It will absolutely have the effect of causing the American Military soldiers to doubt their mission and some who are on the edge may express the same kind of attitude that is expressed by some of the soldiers in the film who switch sides and join the "aliens" (Iraqi's, Afghans, Pakistanis etc, etc.)

The film shows the military of Earth, dressed clearly in U.S. type military garb with U.S. military logic, speech, weapons and attitude. All the soldiers speak English with American accents.  The general in charge of the invasion is a soldier who speaks in pure U.S. Marine. There are no "foreigners" in the military, as I recall.  It's all Americans.

It shows the military and industry in cahoots with industry looking for ways to make the presentation of the theft of native lands more marketable. In this case the Military of Earth (U.S.) is seeking "unobtanium" . In the end industry lets the generals run the war and simply allows the generals to kill. It's easier that way.

I happen to like the film. Because I am sympathetic to the side of the Aliens, (the Iraqis, Afghans and Pakistani's for that reason.

It's one of the first war propaganda films that suggests that the invaders are corrupt and the people who have been invaded, enlightened in comparison.

It's puts Barak Obama in his place as the up and coming most violent war criminal in U.S. History.

Viva la Resistance!

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Hmmmmmm (3.67 / 3)
Most war films are pro-war because to get filmed they need a lot of help from the US military.  They need the use of military bases for filming, for backdrops, they need props and they get given subsidies for the right attitude.  The pentagon is swimming in money for bribes and it doesn't all go to the Taliban and other terrorist groups.

Avatar is almost all CGI.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Some rightwing senator the other day was bitching about an earmark (3.50 / 2)
paying for some panel of washington experts to make sure Hollywood was getting their gov/fp/intel/military potrayals right. I never looked it up but this seems like something they've always done, probably this earmark was to fund their dinners in a fancier fashion or something.

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Good Point David (4.00 / 1)
That's a very good point...Computer Generated Graphics...no need for military equipment....

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Jane Hamsher hits "Fox and Friends" (4.00 / 1)
Daliy Kos is not amused, but I am.  Plus this is another pointless point of comparison with Maryscott O'Connor.  I wonder what MSOC thinks of Jane?

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.c...

The comment thread is very large for FDL.  In the last discussion they had about allying to the right someone (rhetorically and sarcastically) asked, "What's next an appearance on Fox and Friends?"

I think MSNBC does her hair better.  If nothing else proves Fox are assholes there's that.  And global warming of course.  Jane's hair and destruction of civilization as we know it.

Viva la Resistance!  

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Haha you're right about that (3.00 / 1)
They always give the rightwing women full pornstar m/u & hair but if a demotard chic comes on they blanche her the fuck out so she's nearly invisible. Guys too. They always give the full funeral home treatment to rightwing guys.  

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Attack our troops! (0.00 / 0)
Good to see James Cameron taking colonialism and the moral response to it seriously. Very good film, could've used less new age nature worship crap, but that took up a very small piece of the running time. Michelle Rodriguez is the lead traitor to corporate colonialism (there are several others), the face and body of the resistance:

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For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Saw the movie (3.50 / 2)
I wouldn't say it was anti-war or anti-military but it's very anti- "just following orders".  I don't really see the movie as some sort of military battle anyway but a fight between two pretty small groups of people.  The humans soldiers are more ex-military contractors I thought like Blackwater?

From that point of view the key part of the whole movie is when Michelle Rodriguez's character just says "I didn't sign on for this".  At that point there's little actual fighting as the humans are just trying to burn down a big tree and had used gas to disperse the natives.  It's a powerful statement that she's willing to say no even though no lives are at stake and she of course does NOT have an avatar.  She has NO STAKE AT ALL in the native people and doesn't know much about them and has never met them.  And all she does at that point is take her helicopter and go home.  Her actions don't really help anyone at all because the tree burns anyway, but it is still the key point in the movie I think.

Obviously the lead character has to go through a lot more to go from being a loyal marine to changing sides.  He has to connect with the natives, "understand them" and so on.  Rodriguez's character doesn't need to have any understanding at all to know when something is wrong.  That's even more so than the sympathetic hippie-like scientists who nevertheless essentially go along with the bosses orders for a long time even if they feel bad about it.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


I don't agree David (3.50 / 2)
The point is...the soldiers in Iraq are going to draw the inevitable comparison between them and the Iraqi's...and wonder if they should connect to the Iraqi's...just the thought will have an impact...it won't have much of a result...but it has impact...it creates doubt however temporary and soon forgotten...and for some it puts them over the edge...that doesn't mean they will kill a bunch of people...it may mean they won't be able to function....

It's not going to have a great big result...it's just that it's surprising that the paralells that are so obvious to me on an emotional level, haven't been mentioned anywhere that I have seen.

It's the films emotional impact, not a kind of intellectual analysis that I'm talking about.

It's a kind of allegory...it exists slightly beneath awareness but it touches the emotions.


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I think soldiers in Iraq (3.40 / 5)
have already interacted with the "natives" and come to terms.  I would think if the film has an anti-war message it is for people at home who have not thought of the victims as people at all.

US soldiers have because they torture them and despise them.  They've already met.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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pretty sad that... (2.00 / 1)
Pretty sad that one of the few ways to get through, if at all, a thick American skull and implant as subversive an idea as not torturing your fellow human beings is, with a Hollywood movie. I'm not hopeful though. I haven't seen the movie, nor do I intend to, but I think it's fair to assume that this Blockbuster has no chance of changing any minds on any significant level. In fact, I'd bet good money that the main character will be seen as a traitor.

"May we live long and die out"

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It's a good movie (4.00 / 1)
I hadn't seen a 3D movie before so I was half expecting it to be pretty silly with special effects leaping out at you (which was true of all the 3D adverts and trailers they showed with it).  However the movie managed to avoid all that and you forget about the 3D effect after a while.  It's pretty subtle apart from one or two places.  It's not really a sci-fi or action movie either.  Anyway I would recommend it.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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I don't get the knee-jerk pessimism by you and soling (4.00 / 1)
What this movie says has never been said before, and it's basically the best special effects movie ever made so it will get seen. That doesn't mean our corporate mercenaries will suddenly turn Michelle Rodriguez on their commanding officers, but it does mean good, progressive percentages: fewer will re-enlist, fewer will be gung ho braindead asshole, more will hunker down and just try to survive, fewer outside the military will enlist (the movie's great anti-recruiting propaganda), and more people in general will 'get' that the U.S. needs to get out of military/corporate imperialism. I don't know if the percentages 'turned on' will be big or small, but the movie will create some sort of progress; it's educational, and will be long-term effective especially if people decide to start reading pffugeecamp (or, okay, correntewire) in tandem with their partial enlightenment.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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And it's now the highest grossing movie ever. (0.00 / 0)

You'll remember a little class warfare in Titanic?

Avatar is anti-corporate, not anti-military.

It's about the corporate golem, and what it does to humanity.


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It's anti-military fighting for corporate interests (0.00 / 0)
against 'human' interests

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Military/Corporate are Unified now. (0.00 / 0)
IS there a difference....the military....70% of the Pentagon has been privatized.

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Yeah! The Michelle Rodriguez is 'in touch' with basic morality (4.00 / 1)
and reacts viscerally while the other characters have to climb out, intellectually and emotionally, from their braindead-compromised-macho false ways of reinterpreting what they're (otherwise obviously) doing. It takes hard work not to just see that corporate colonial/imperial warfare is wrong and then say no.

In a sense you're right that this is some sort of Blackwater corporate operation, except that privatizing military operations doesn't mean they're not still government operations. It's still apparently 'the U.S.' that has okayed the corporate guy doing militarily whatever he thinks is best for the corporation. The govt can't get off that easy.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Actually, no. The scriptment points out that the govt forbids nukes, etc. (0.00 / 0)

There's a teeny bit of embedded conscience still left in the govt. It's pretty bad, though.

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Wow! People don't beleive that China is the bad guy. More spin please! (0.00 / 0)
Very funny piece of propaganda / spin about Copenhagen.

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

Yes indeed.  Our intrepid reporter managed to somehow get into the top secret meeting on global climate change and can honestly report on all the hush-hush negotiations that took place.

Except for one thing: he can't tell us exactly how come he was able to get in and who he was with.

But the rest he can tell us all exclusively.  And guess what?  Well he says, "don't believe the spin - it was all China's fault".  Wow.  The "spin" put about by such propaganda outfits as Christian Aid and Friends of the Earth.  Not the actual US government and Western media spin that has been blaming China all along and is probably all most people ever heard.

China is apparently an unbelievable asshole that stopped other countries from cutting their own green house gases.  Wow.  yes, they are really that powerful and that nasty that they blocked other countries unilateral efforts to cut their emissions.  As in, "We really wanted to cut our emissions unilaterally but China stopped us!"


"Why can't we even mention our own targets?" demanded a furious Angela Merkel. Australia's prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was annoyed enough to bang his microphone. Brazil's representative too pointed out the illogicality of China's position. Why should rich countries not announce even this unilateral cut? The Chinese delegate said no, and I watched, aghast, as Merkel threw up her hands in despair and conceded the point. Now we know why - because China bet, correctly, that Obama would get the blame for the Copenhagen accord's lack of ambition.

Wow.  Literally just unbelievable.  But surely he's not really pretending that China acting alone was solely responsible for blocking other countries from making their own commitments without any reference to China????

I am certain that had the Chinese not been in the room, we would have left Copenhagen with a deal that had environmentalists popping champagne corks popping in every corner of the world.

Wow!  What unbelievable bastards.  And how wise and wonderful Obama is.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Front-paged FDL diary actually believes this heap of shit propaganda article (5.00 / 1)
http://firedoglake.com/2009/12...

Unbelievable.  These pwoggies are so fucking stupid it hurts.  For Christ's fucking sake you moronic motherfuckers, can't you see they are playing China a scapegoat in exactly the same way you can only HOPE that you will be scapegoated for making the health care bill go down to defeat?

Jesus fucking christ these people a fucking idiots.

And hohoho look the moron attacks the Cubans. hahaha oh gosh now there's a country you can never believe unlike America where the government never lies.

Stupid fucking babies.  Nasty arrogant lazy ignorant fucking babies.  And this is the best American can do apparently?  

How can anyone even vaguely informed not die laughing reading that heap of obvious shit?


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Lotsa practice, David. Did you see Obama at the House Rethug dinner? (0.00 / 0)

Nary a word on Single Payer. Doctors arrested outside.

Embarrassing.


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I don't see any "Nader was right" (0.00 / 0)
let alone, "the tea baggers were right about Sarah Palin", but it's a good progression and fulfils the first two criteria of a pwoggie revolt:

Why Are We So Afraid To Lose?


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


quote from that piece (3.00 / 1)
Am I really arguing that Bush Senior was a lot like Clinton was a lot like Bush Junior was a lot like Obama? Yes. Yes I am.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Another diary in a similar vein (0.00 / 0)
http://seminal.firedoglake.com...

I am so afraid that we will end up with a Dem/Repub ping pong match for years of election cycles until enough people figure this out.

I am happy with the progression that FDL-ers are making but the Nader test is vital IMO.  Because Nader is the enemy even more than the Republicans (a bit like in 1984 Goldstein was the real object of hate regardless of which country they were at war with and of course Goldstein was the betrayer - someone once close to Big Brother - one of their own).

To cut themselves emotionally from the Democrats most of them will first need some other group or name to cling to.  Plus too they need to recognise that this isn't just Obama but Clinton too and has been going on for a while.  They need a history and they need a people.  They need somewhere else to belong.  "Nader was right" approximates to that pretty well as they try to figure out a name for themselves beyond (I suppose it might do) "Progressives".

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Another (0.00 / 0)
A New Federalist Party

A rather retarded one (does this idiot not know the Federalists were the royalist / anti-democratic / far right wing party back then?), but still it is another attacking the duopoly (without using that word).

I think Jane Hamsher's emphasis on teaming up with the right wing nutters is helping people be brave enough to advocate for these ideas.   It's like she's introduced  the progressive equivalent of Perestroika.

Obviously its still not free enough to allow me to post but that appears to be rather a high hurdle for a Pwoggie group.

Another point she makes is that teaming up with the right protects the left from triangulation attacks by Obama since without them Obama can attack the left with impunity and benefit by it politically by casting himself as a centrist and a "brave" Democrat who is rejecting the "extremists" in his party.  In fact this undermines the whole right wing media's trick of taking right wing extremists seriously but attacking the left all the time.  Hard to keep that inconsistency up if they are allied.

These are benefits that come just by saying you are allied to the right -- basically just off using their name to throw a spanner into the workings of the corporatist right wing media.  It doesn't rely on the right to do anything at all (which is just as well probably).


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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Why doesn't Cenk Uygur just shut the fuck up? (0.00 / 0)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Why does these clueless wankers who have proved time and time again that they don't know anything about anything go parading around still, pretending to be experts?   Why the hell does anyone listen to them?

He's maanged to learn precisely NOTHING from his most recent mistakes with judging Obama but I bet he just tells himself that "nobody could have foreseen" that.  I've literally seen comments like that at FDL from commentators.  One even was in disbelief when I told him MANY people saw it all coming and then shouted at me to prove it with links in a diary where I had already explained I wouldn't be able to reply because I was banned -- as many people who get it right are.

There are many debates among progressives now on the true nature of Barack Obama.

They ought to sit down shut the fuck up and LISTEN to the people who got it right.  The REAL reality based community not their fantasy fanboy club.


Does he mean well or does he have bad intentions? Come on, don't be ridiculous. Of course, he means well.

What more need be said?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


More "If Only The King Knew" shit (0.00 / 0)
So, what can we do? Well, showing him data on where the American people actually stand didn't help at all. Nearly a dozen polls showed overwhelming support for the public option across the country. That didn't budge him. There are now polls showing 40% of Democrats are not going to show up in the 2010 elections because they are so disenchanted. It hasn't even made a dent in Obama. The Washington force field is strong.

Gosh if only Obama knew what a weasly cowardly right wing asshole he is but he alone of all the country is blissfully unaware of it!

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


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merry christmas everybody! (4.20 / 5)
see you in a couple of days. try to be nice to my husband while i'm gone.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

bah (4.00 / 1)
humbug!

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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happee holidaze dp (0.00 / 0)
heerz a catchee christmas jingle fer youse and the paranoid dp fam froom fake noom....

wah wah

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Greenwald's Christmas Eve message (0.00 / 0)
http://www.salon.com/news/opin...

This entire article by Greenwald today is typical of what passes for a diary from him too often.  I guess he feels the pressure to put something down every day, even Christmas Eve.

The entire thing is basically, "Look-- I found an example of a conservative contradicting themselves!"

I have not been able to have any exchange with a conservative without that happening about once per sentence.  It's not exactly a fucking rare thing to happen is it?  All of this would be fine if Greenwald ever drew any conclusions from his endless observations of dog bites man.  But he doesn't.  Like so many pwoggies he fights to avoid drawing any sort of systematic conclusions.  Like the way Digby endlessly criticises media figures but never does the penny drop that the media is biased.  On the contrary she always explains it as some non-biased phenomena.

It's not as if Greenwald isn't aware of systematic critiques such as Chomsky's propaganda model of the media.  I think he is also aware of Altemeyer's work on Authoritarianism which he could tie his observations to.

Instead it's just an endless run of "oh gosh look I found a conservative lying" or (Digby) "Oh look Chris Matthews is a bit of a doofus"

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Back to reality (0.00 / 0)
A Marine prayer before clearing a lush semi-deserted valley in Helmand of all life forms. (censored from the following clip, copied from alternate broadcast)

Almighty God, I invoke your blessing on these warriors as they embark for combat. Employ(deploy?) your angelic host on their behalf. Reside with our men and allies to empower them with strength, courage and resolve.

Send a spirit of confusion throughout the enemies' ranks. Strike them in your wrath and indignation. Add iniquity to their iniquity. Do not forget their murderous ways. Recompense them according to their deeds.

Use our Marines as your strong arm of justice, and mighty men of valor.

Please, allow us to witness the awe of your miraculous intervention, and experience the power of your holy spirit as you use these men to crush a merciless enemy.

In Christ I pray. Amen.



National Guard Video (0.00 / 0)
Good video Laura....

I saw this in a movie theater...it was unbelivable...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

I booed out loud....I was the only one to do so...it was so offensive....

Where is the music from?

Hell"


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The song is a wank off changed-key version of 'O Fortuna' from an Orff opera (0.00 / 0)

Lyrics made up from someone's elementary Latin dictionary or the Marine secret rite handbook or some such shit. Awful.


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The industry uses the same font to punctuate military ads as they do to punctuate military movie trailers (0.00 / 0)


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Laura O Fortuna (4.00 / 1)
The song O Fortuna was very popular in Nazi Germany ...isn't that interesting?

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Roman iconography and faux-exalted use of Latin (4.00 / 1)
Nothing new, really. The original music itself is morbid; its reworking is meant to show off our strength and power, which lies in our deathmaking skills. So it's perfect.

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Laura (0.00 / 0)
Is this the music used in the themes for the Damien films?

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That's original music iirc (4.00 / 1)
basically just gregorian chants in a sinister chord with spooky background music. The opera that 'O Fortuna' is from was loosely based on medieval religious texts/songs, but for dramatic revival effect and potential musicality rather than faithful re-creation. And certainly not for the religious content. More of a sinister lampoon of solemnity. But you can see why music like that gets reworked for horror films...not so much for 'democracy' promotion.

The Nazi thing may have been bad timing, art under occupation or whatever, I don't know mcuh about the composer's affiliation. The rest of the opera is not as exiting as the seized upon short excerpt, in other words.


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Musician? (0.00 / 0)
Are you a musician...? I'm embarassed.

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Not in practice...but I can play a few devices (0.00 / 0)


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