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Surf's Up in the Whiteysphere

by: donkeytale

Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 09:47:14 AM EST


Political movements cannot be built organically. Someone has to catch a wave and ride it. Astroturf will always be with us. The PTB will always be with us. The names may change, the causes may change, but the hierarchy is forever ingrained as "power corrupts." George knows this. He's a sociologist social theorist.

Bloggers bitching in anonymous impotence will always be with us, too, but the effect will likewise be the diffusion of any meaningful dissent into singular bytes of individual nothingness. Cacaphonous white noise is the same as nothing. Everything = nothing.

And no one has to pay anybody to render the whiteysphere irrelevant. It just is. By design. We are the ones paying the price, individually, to prop it up for cheap thrills and second rate infotainment value.

I disagree.  None of it swears enough or uses the word "Nazi" enough for my tastes.  However, be that as it may, just because it is written down somewhere and assuming we take this "nothing new under the sun" concept of yours seriously, education is mostly about repetition not being correct or pithy.

"Someone has to catch a wave and ride it."

The beach bum view of history?  I think if the wave is there and the board is there then the surfer dude will necessarily appear and is therefore the slack variable of the equation.

--davidbyron

donkeytale :: Surf's Up in the Whiteysphere
Everything the average human being needs to understand his pitiable existence and rueful circumstance was learned by a few, penultimately, in the 19th century and subsequently made available to the masses of "educated" cannon fodder in the 20th century.

Marx. Freud. Nietszche. Einstein. Maybe there are a few more. Weber? Spengler?

These guyz definitely added something new under the sun, unfortunately this the use of this knowledge by it's recipients had nothing but negative practical impacts on the 20th Century, AKA "the decline of the west."

http://www.duke.edu/~aparks/Sp...

Knowledge is not only completely unenlightening in the hands of the unenlightened, it tends to be downright annihilation-causing in the hands of the evil surfer dudez who catch the wave of misinterpretation and malevolent intent AKA "human nature".

The whiteysphere is educational? Ha Ha. Thats a good juan.

As for the beach bum theory, yes here we are in perfect agreement. Someone will always necessarily appear to ride the wave.

And for the "wave" created by the whiteysphere, that surfer dude has already appeared, hung ten and locked into the [infoboob]tube.

Political movements cannot be built organically. Someone has to catch a wave and ride it. Astroturf will always be with us. The PTB will always be with us. The names may change, the causes may change, but the hierarchy is forever ingrained as "power corrupts." George knows this. He's a sociologist.

Bloggers bitching in anonymous impotence will always be with us, too, but the effect will likewise be the diffusion of any meaningful mass dissent into singular bytes of individual nothingness. Cacaphonous white noise is the same as nothing. Everything = nothing.

And no one has to pay anybody to render the whiteysphere irrelevant. It just is. By design. We are the ones paying the price, individually, to prop it up for cheap thrills and second rate infotainment value.

I disagree.  None of it swears enough or uses the word "Nazi" enough for my tastes.  However, be that as it may, just because it is written down somewhere and assuming we take this "nothing new under the sun" concept of yours seriously, education is mostly about repetition not being correct or pithy.

"Someone has to catch a wave and ride it."

The beach bum view of history?  I think if the wave is there and the board is there then the surfer dude will necessarily appear and is therefore the slack variable of the equation.

--davidbyron

Everything the average human being needs to understand his pitiable existence and rueful circumstance was learned by a few, penultimately, in the 19th century and subsequently made available to the masses of "educated" cannon fodder in the 20th century.

Marx. Freud. Nietszche. Einstein. Maybe there are a few more. Weber? Spengler?

These guyz definitely added something new under the sun, unfortunately this the use of this knowledge by it's recipients had nothing but negative practical impacts on the 20th Century, AKA "the decline of the west."

http://www.duke.edu/~aparks/Sp...

Knowledge is not only completely unenlightening in the hands of the unenlightened, it tends to be downright annihilation-causing in the hands of the evil surfer dudez who catch the wave of misinterpretation and malevolent intent AKA "human nature".

The whiteysphere is educational? Ha Ha. Thats a good juan.

As for the beach bum theory, yes here we are in perfect agreement. Someone will always necessarily appear to ride the wave.

And for the "wave" created by the whiteysphere, that surfer dude has already appeared, hung ten and locked into the [infoboob]tube.

MAMZ!

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Donkeytale = Petey? (4.00 / 1)
You wrote,

Marx. Freud. Nietszche. Einstein. Maybe there are a few more. Max Weber? Spengler?

These guyz definitely added something new under the sun, unfortunately this knowledge had nothing but negative practical impacts on the 20th Century, AKA "the decline of the west."


And that's why it's clear to see you're a waste of time. You're just a different type of blues, less psychotic, but with the same anti-intellectual slant.

That's bullshit to throw Weber and Marx into that. Just because you sold out doesn't mean we all did. This is what to expect from someone who is probably a political operative.

posted by Wilfred,

Re: A Question for Pete Richards- Have you ever posted under a different name or variation of said name on Dkos, My Left Wing, Booman or LSF?

Your voice sounds quite familiar but only under a different name. Please answer honestly.

Or remember this one? You wrote,

Truth is, I paid the dues along with Byron and Francis and a few others, challenging the status quo at DKOS and getting banned there 4 years ago before the 2004 election, when the place was taking off and no one yet really knew what a snake pit it was.

Tell us more, Petey. Your last diary at DKos was July 3rd, 2005. Your last listed post July 4th. I read a bit how you went out in a blaze of glory with Arthur Gilroy. That was far after the 2004 election. Maybe you meant to say Petey. Sound familiar?

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Oops (4.00 / 1)
I should have written at the end, "maybe you meant to say after the 2004 election (and not Petey)" I'm sitting back waiting for BankIndex, PMC4, or liars like Larisa, Brad, or Brett to sue me. Whatever you're doing, you might want to reconsider. It stinks.  

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Yur startin to sound desperate Sockrat (0.00 / 0)
Is it moving a little?

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You're sadistic (4.00 / 1)
You're clearly not a very nice person.... You said you got banned from DKos before the 2004 election. That was your Petey username. You got confused. It happens. So you're an anti-intellectual, right wing Democrat. Whoop-da-de-doo. And you're not really that funny. I don't see it. Max Weber had a negative impact on the world? Explain that one, Einstein.

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Bend over sockrat... (1.00 / 1)
Now!!!


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You know something, George. Yu're wright....I was all set to argue back (5.00 / 1)
that I didnt say nor imply that Weber had a negative impact but when I reread my words I saw that I was not clear Therefore I reworded to say that these great and knowledgeable men nor their immense intellectual contributions were not negative, but the looooosers who came after and "learned" from them were the negators.

Thanks for the editing assistance. More necessary than ever now that I'm simply mailing it in.


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Every time I try to log off, you buggers draw me back in (5.00 / 1)
See, I'm a big fan of Max Weber. He combined the cultural and the economic worlds into a coherent theory. Marx was too into economics. Durkhein was too into the cultural. Those are the original Big Three. Forget Larry Bird or Paul Pierce.

And then that's when I can jump the gun and thing you are a freeper or DLC troll. That perhaps you were belittling conflict theory.

There's too much confusion on the net. I don't respond well when I'm in the middle of it. The FSZ experience was a mess. They didn't deal with my content. If we deal with that rather than jumping connections, we're more apt to reach higher levels of cognition.

Problem with academics is it became a commodity. Very undemocratic. Great point about how others after misused or treated thinkers' stuff. Marx gets blamed for so much, but bottom line is he was going after industrial England. Freud, that's another one. People need to remember he was around during horrors, in between the World Wars. Einstein was a great man. It must have eaten him up inside to realise his finds led to so much pain, i.e. Japan. But I never looked into it. Hey, maybe someday the net will get better. Pockets of awareness. Moments of clarity and humanity. Real dialogue. Not MSOC writing in capitals with fake rage and shouting me, me, me. She shouldn't have kept going with that tabbyandbeagle thing. She should have stopped. Stu was right. If that was me, I would have been so embarrassed to be discussed like that.



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Marx theory of history very useful, dialectical theory very useful (4.00 / 1)
but his critique of capitalism, altho (perhaps)incorrect in its specifically predicted conclusions (take note Failreft) was by far his greatest contribution for he inspired people to rebel, gave them a context and an understanding of their plight and a voice to demand a better shake from the Bougeoisie, who dominate the world to this very day and into the foreseeable future.

Marx advanced the ball and moved the chains on behalf of the exploited.

Spengler, OTOH got is wrighter than wright on just about all aspects of his critical analysis, but the end result of his polemical brilliance amounted to a punt.


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Wasn't Spengler the groundskeeper in Caddyshack? (0.00 / 0)
You know, I lied earlier. You are funny. I was just being silly stupid. Can you sum up this Spengler guy for me in a few sentences or however much you want. I never heard of him. I used to read a lot of books back in the day. Way back in the day. I don't presume to be any kind of expert on academics. I know a fair bit. I was able to stick up for my boy Max Weber. My favourite was Erich Fromm. My first essay at MLW I wrote on what books would people recommend to young people. I said Erich Fromm among others. Some jackass, forget the name, said Fromm was an idiot or something. Fricken sassa frassa. If anyone has the time, check him out in this old interview with whatshisname Mike Wallace. This type of hardcore social philosophy would never run today. It's Chris Matthews and Glen Beck. Wolfie and Larry King. I used to like Jessica Savage. She was the sweetie from Frontline. And some people think Obama is a socialist.... I'm having trouble keeping up with all the posts. If I ever miss someone responding to me, apologies in advance.  



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Freud, Nietzschneeze and Marx were all wrong (1.50 / 2)
Freud completely wrong in all of his original ideas, Nietz touchy feely incoherent when not completely scarily wrong, and Marx wrong if you consider wrong that he didn't propose what the replacement for capitalist-run 'democracy' (he was kinda pre-capitalist-run democracy) would or should look like.

An important question is what would the replacement look like. It's irritating that everyone either thinks the question has already been answered or is unimportant. You're in the second category, since you think all the important thinking has already been done.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Dude, didnt you get the opportunity to go thru this phase in High Skkkool, like the rest of us? (0.00 / 0)


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Freud was just bizarrely wrong (0.00 / 0)
fruit-loopy wrong.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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I completely disagree. Freud was NOT fruit loopy.... (0.00 / 0)
He was coocoo for coca puffs....



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Yur OK with Spengler, then? The real one, not the retard on AsiaTimes.com.... (0.00 / 0)
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I think so, don't know much about him though. (2.00 / 2)
There's probly some better 19th century heavyweights out there, though, than the ones you list. Dostoevsky impressed the hell outta me, seemed to be tuned into psychological truth very well. Empirical scientists (and not a bullshitter like Freud) made such great advances back in those days. Wittgenstein in this century is a great genius, I think; I don't come close to understanding him so can't be completely sure.

I'd definitely replace Freud and probably replace Nietzsche, but I don't know with who, and keep Marx.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Yes, Dosto was the greatest of all. Teh father of the modern novel, along with Stendhal, who was also greatness (5.00 / 1)
Both conservatives, BTW.

I pointedly left literary/artistic/musical types off the list, although the late 19th century milieu produced game changers in all those fields, as well. No doubt about it, as the Judeo-christian empire crumbled, the death throes produced the ultimate flower of its genius.

Your a dunce if you dont think that Freud was pure genius.

His take on the nature of civilisation as the killing field of the individual soul is timeless. Ditto the "oedipus".

Oh yeah, thats wright. Yur a dunce. A repressed, neurotic dunce in denial.

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The holy rating is for clarifying The Lord and Fakeleft crap spewed about Freud (0.00 / 0)
You can critique Freud, but you can't deny his place at the top of the intellectual food chain. I recommend Alice Miller for her taking of Freud's work to a much higher level (see Poisonous Pedagogy, Thou Shalt Not Be Aware, etc.). I think much of Freud's pitfalls were due to him being born during horrific times. That's why he failed to see that there is a child within. Freud would have been a Hobbes' guy, a blame the victim type. He wouldn't go for Locke's idea of a clean slate. Fairleft is really Fakeleft, as anyone who has the time to run through his posting history will see. He's going with volume, volume, volume over making sense. That's because he either has an agenda or is what you say- a repressed, neurotic dunce in denali denial.  

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Interesting as usual. (3.75 / 4)
But this part:

Political movements cannot be built organically. Someone has to catch a wave and ride it.

I'm not so sure about. I may be misunderstanding your point, though. In conjunction with this thought:

Bloggers bitching in anonymous impotence will always be with us, too, but the effect will likewise be the diffusion of any meaningful mass dissent into singular bytes of individual nothingness.

I can agree much of the time, but right now I'm involved in an education protest movement begun by parents, both by creating a facebook page and by creating a website at which teachers and parents can enter their ideas on how to protest as well as documenting what moves administrators are taking to thwart what they are trying to accomplish. The movement has been going strong for five months now (with occasional infights), and it has served to unite a previously disparate group. It has led to posting of education information and to real life protests and political lobbying.

It's been very exciting to see how this online contact has resulted in real life action. It's one of the hopes I always had for blogging, and it seems that though I see your general point, once in a while, this activity works for political change. Maybe it just doesn't work as well on a national level. Maybe it's best locally - or at least focused on one issue at a time?


Several points to make about yur comment (4.00 / 1)
Yes, I'm talking about blogging in the soapblox or Kos format, not social networking sites which are very different to me. Facebook sites and Twittering have more utility for political organizing, building networks, communicating with yur defined "groups" etc.

Second, I am talking about mass political movements, while what you describe is local and issue specific. But dont take this wrong. Please. The activism here was accomplished in real life and I share the encouragement you derived.

But while I applaud people organizing around an issue to take on the PTB to improve social conditions, where I feel the scenario you paint fails to be what I consider a "political movement" is this: people will always rally around themselves and their kids. We willingly sacrifice for our kids since our kids are an extension of ourselves. Therefore what you are describing is a socially useful form of selfishness, but I question whether this movement is sustainable beyond our immediate families. To me, a truly leftist or pwoggie "political movement" by necessity must transcend selfishness and slef interest and requires martyrs to the commonweal, martyrs who will suffer and die are required to effect the type of social and political revolution that we talk about ad nauseum but never really effect. For instance, ending imperialism, ending war, ending social, racial and economic class inequality. These things require Ghandis. Mandelas. Christs.

Not more rhetoric.

Terrorism is a flipside of this same activist dynamic. Nihilistic goals rather than enlightened ones , but the ability of relatively few people to make the entire "civilized" world shake and react shows that the ability to change the world is relative to willingness of people to self sacrifice. And that it is doable.

Every entrenched allpowerful civilization is eventually brought to its knees only through the sustained effort of individuals willing to commit the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of the "other," who we recognize as "oursleves" on an expanded dimension of "being."

Y'know, the type of sacrifice enshrined in the Jesus story.

Until we reach that level of desperate courage, to confront the PTB with all their wealth and armed might, willing to die for nothing except to make a statement, then we are simply going thru the motions, play-acting, talking out our ass.

And note that I say "we."

Us. The Failed Reft. Blah blah blog.



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The trolls have arrived, donkeytale (0.00 / 0)
Right on schedule. A fake noom and a fake shadowthief. And guess who else? Melvin. Better to spam a good thread than to allow people to absorb that Tejano's an outright liar. Things are starting to add up. This is why internet activism is failing. It's cointelpro. You're gonna tell me MajorFlaw is a regular guy? What about Hal Turner? What about people who are meant to be the DKos opposition, yet they threw Dave under the bus and whitewashed the ugogs or at a minimum turned it into a pissing match with no allowance that it might have been one than a hobby for the fockers behind it. We were starting to click again. Together at DFQ2 we got a lot of good stuff figured out. That's how I see it. Vox and 4ked probably got to the point where it became too much to see it through to its logical end. Who wants to believe that the internet could be rigged? I might have to treat my diaries here like I did at DKos and just ignore all the spammers. I might just have to go out for smokes again.If you're for real donkeytale, you'll start to stretch your mind and seize the moment. Vox is too weak to understand the meta. Or better put, he and 4ky types are too innocent to want to waste their time with it. Have you read the Hal Turner exchange with the FBI guy? He was real proud of flushing out crazies with his rhetoric. Hal Turner was fucking cointelpro. He was buddies with Handy Hannity. Hannity's from Long Island. Same as MajorFlaw. It all fucking adds up dudetale.

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sorry for the errors (0.00 / 0)
Should have said "more than a hobby" not one than a hobby. Should have wrote DFQ not DFQ2.  

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shoode have "written" (3.00 / 1)
not rote....

shite


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I've already covered this topic (0.00 / 0)
You must have missed it. I wrote a short essay on the philosophy of whether one should just leave a post be, or if things can get worse by trying to fix the grammar and whatnot. Prove to me through MLW that you are Noom, and we'll take it from there. I'm driving the bus. Sometimes I get sleepy and Donkeytale takes over. We lost 4ky at some point. Vox seems ready to give the fuck you to this bullshit also. But as a Quaker or whatever he's not allowed to get mad. He's a better man than Gunga Din.

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hey bro (0.00 / 0)
now all we need iz for howardx to show up, eh?

where is that fooker? band practice? eye mean they shoor AZ hell need it....maybe they're on some mega huge, van driven , carry yer own gear, reunion tour.

howardx if you recall claimed he's more talented or radder a betta geetarist than Kurt Cobain....

haha@!


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Back to the Pickleisation Theory (0.00 / 0)
I didn't know how to right pickleisation. maybe with a dash between the e and i. Maybe no e. Just prove your Noom. Security has been put in place. I know how to beat down trolls. I'm the best. If you're Noom and you're happy about some pinche festival feast, more power to you. Oh yeah, you might not have heard, but myself and Doberman got married. She's cool beans. It's only make believe. But there does seem to be a certain humanity there. What's so funny about that song what's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding. Get me proof you're noom, we'll do some vegetarin sushi. Bet on it with chocolate oat milk. Gilroy's legit. Other than a few, they're all full of it, and many are probably working the nets as disinfo fockers. And eben if some of them are just run of the mill drones, these are some of the most sadistic bastards in the world. There's little wonder why we Americans are hated. Too many like that crew. By the way, Lord Byron isn't from England. Thought you'd like to know that. He's calling for the destruction of Israel. I see KarmaStench put up a lot of sophistry proving nothing about Isreal-Palestine. Ever notice that KarmaShit never mentions Rivero and Willis Carto. It's because he was too busy stalking Francis and pimping for no peace process in the Middle East.

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how 2 proove eye'm noom (3.00 / 1)
let's see.

well there was a broo-haha about a noom imposter when this joint first opened up. After sejo and I talked about it on MLW, she changed fake imposter noom to "not noom". Which eye appreeciated.

http://www.pffugeecamp.com/use...

I suppose you can check MLW over the next few daze to see whther noom objects to this parti8cular noom incarnation on pffugee. If he duzzent then you can safely ass-u-me eye'm noom, original noom, the real noom, pff noom.

herez the amusing diss-cushen sejo and eye had on MLW about fake noom:

http://www.myleftwing.com/show...

can ya see the real noom? can ya? can ya?

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how do u know byron's not from england?


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Here's what you need to do- please (0.00 / 0)
Eye I don't mind the Noom schtick. It's kinda fun to read it when you're not making too many Noomlish mistakes. There's only one way for you to prove you're the real noom. You need to post that you are noom by a verified noom. Like I said, security measures have been put in place. We can't get complacent joost just because we've won a bunch of battles. It's like the Cavaliers last year. They won a lot of regular season games. They were dancing on the sidelines like girly-men. They didn't even make the finals. It's not like they were missing Kendrick Kevin Garnett for an excuse. So pretty please make a post at MLW confirming that you are Noom over here. Just don't mention me, otherwise MeSoc might snitch you out to the FBI. Oh yeah, I haven't checked yet to see if the Hal Turner family blogspot published my post. I doubt it. But I did screenshot that for prepostericity. Man, Donk must be watching Japanese baseball on cable. This is usually his kind of bread and butter for Meta.  

Going back in time to some of these threads, I can finally see what an insidious asshole FakeLeft is. But that's grist for another mill perhaps.

Please prove your Noom at MLW, then you're in.

Then we'll be able to get some good stuff up here like the old days. But it won't be me and Donk, or you and Donk, it'll be the three of us, and then you dudes can cross-post it at MLW and get under Tinkerbell's skin and of course CurmudgetteFace will show up and act all fake cool. Oh yes, she's the one who said Byron wasn't British, and the Lordship didn't deny it. Early on at this blog, he got busted making a comment about the date, and it would have been the wrong one if he was truly in England. Think about it like this, how come he never mentions British politics, even a bit? I think he is in America somewhere, perhaps Canada, maybe Australia. But his schtick is all American politics, all the time, so he can't give examples from Canada or Australia or that would give away his true location.

The reason I like to talk about shadowthief every once in a while is because he's tied into the Meta, was a big wig at MLW, he used to make a lot of good posts. A fake one showed up yesterday, and I think it's CommentBreath because shadowthief usually had some depth to his posts and this one ended it with the typical reference to cuckoo banana or whackety whackenstein or wtf-whatnot. I'm also fascinated by how Curmudgetteface and Marisa went after him. He wasn't in California. He was using a tor proxy to spoof location. He was clearly also blogging curmudgeon. Perhaps getting outed like that embarrassed him. Or maybe he was a concern troll the whole time and it was scripted for him to self-destruct. But then that would make me as suspicious as ever about CurmudgetteFace. I don't think the real shadowthief has been around since that shite hit the fan. I don't think he is even what could be considered as a historic troll. I think his username was perverted and turned into a limited hangout, part of a raising the noise to signal ratio- in other words, a state-sponsored troll tactic, that perhaps he might have been framed. MattyJack and his posse reek of something bad. Imho, they are now the last defense against freedom of speech and association flourishing among the few surviving refugees left. FSZ=UGOGs. A crazy idea on the surface, but peel that onion, and tears of enlightenment will drip down your I's eyes.

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