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The International Center for Non-Violent Conflict is all about Violence and War

by: Stu Piddy

Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 18:16:47 PM EST


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(Peter Ackerman top, Michael Ledeen bottom)

Another associate of the International Center for Non-Violent Conflict responded to my diary pointing out the association of Peter Ackerman founder of the ICNC to Michael Ledeen who is a Neo-Con accused of the Niger Forgeries which led to war with Iraq and many other known forgeries, listed below. Here is the response from a ICNC associate. The ICNC and Peter Ackerman are funders of Narco News.

"Dear Mr. Piddy: Like Stephen Zunes, I've also worked with ICNC, and I'm afraid that Mr. Ackerman writing a single op-ed with someone is zero evidence of any relationship with the co-author beyond the words in the article. If all the scholars and pundits who'd ever co-written op-eds were to be held responsible for the other writings and doings of their co-authors, all of them would eventually be responsible for everything that any of them were doing, which of course is impossible. Zunes actually did a trenchant article on why this kind of logic ("X knows Y who knows Z, so X is responsible for what Z does") doesn't hold water:

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/56...

Let me respond by saying the following:

Mr Ackerman has written at least 2 articles with Michael Ledeen, not one. Here's the second.

http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi...

Here Mr. Ledeen calls Mr. Ackerman his friend.

"My friend Peter Ackerman will delight in these pictures;  he has long been an advocate of non-violent revolution.  As I have." Michael Ledeen

http://pajamasmedia.com/michae...

Michael Ledeen refers to his friend Peter Ackerman often as  illustrated in this comment for the American Enterprise Institute

"As Peter Ackerman reminds me, just because the opposition isn't using guns, the confrontation is not less conflictual. The goal is to bring down the regime and that will take discipline, courage, and very large numbers." Michael Ledeen

http://www.aei.org/article/22711

Michael Ledeen and Peter Ackerman are friends and they have a common political point of view. That is why they write articles together, refer to themselves as friends and appear on the same boards together.

Stu Piddy :: The International Center for Non-Violent Conflict is all about Violence and War
Michael Ledeen and Peter Ackerman both share the view that they should involve themselves in creating conflict in other nations based on their view that these nations are not "free". That's why they belong to the "Freedom Foundation".

Here is what Michael Ledeen and Peter Ackerman wrote together in one of their articles called "Change Needs Help from Friends".

"Freedom-loving people know what we want to see in Beirut, Damascus and Tehran: the central square bursting with citizens demanding an end to tyranny, massive strikes shutting down the national economy, the disintegration of security forces charged with maintaining order, and the consequent departure of the tyrants and the beginnings of a popularly elected government." (Michael Ledeen and Peter Ackerman)

Iran has a democratically elected government for one. Michael Ledeen and Peter Ackerman of the ICNC seek to destroy it and replace it with another government more to their liking. This is not something that can be accomplished without violence and war. And that has proven already to be an observable truth in Iran where many revolutionary protestors egged on, funded and trained by distant American interests have been jailed and sentenced to death.  Violence of some kind is inevitable when a group like the  ICNC seeks to promote destablilization.

The ICNC may point to the so called Rose revolution which was funded by George Soros in part and the Orange Revolution. These events were influenced by outside sources who supported groups opposed to the governments in place. On what basis does a foreign source involve itself in the affairs of another country? Usually because it may be profitable to do so. For economic reasons which are covered up in the language of "freedom" and "liberty" by groups like the ICNC.

Michael Ledeen is a person who has an interest in fascism as a form of government. Here are some of his quotes, which are self-descriptive:

On a book he wrote about Mussolini:
"He never had enough confidence in the Italian people to permit them a genuine participation in fascism."

September 4, 2001
"Stability is an unworthy American mission, and a misleading concept to boot. We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia; we want things to change. The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize." (Wall Street Journal, 9/4/2002)

March 25, 2003 (Referring to the Iraq War)
"I think the level of casualties is secondary. I mean, it may sound like an odd thing to say, but all the great scholars who have studied American character have come to the conclusion that we are a warlike people and that we love war. What we hate is not casualties but losing. And if the war goes well and if the American public has the conviction that we're being well-led and that our people are fighting well and that we're winning, I don't think casualties are going to be the issue." [American Enterprise Institute).

Michael Ledeen has lived in Italy and has been responsible for working with SISMI the Italian intelligence agency and promoting propaganda that indicated before the Jimmy Carter defeat by Ronald Reagan that Billy Carter (Jimmy's brother) had accepted bribes that he in fact did not accept. Ledeen attempted to blame the Soviet Union for the attack on the Pope in the 1980's.

Ledeen is suspected of being the author of the Niger forgeries first published in the Italian magazine Panorama (where he regularly contributed articles), that led the U.S into war with Iraq. All of the above events had their origin in first being published in Italy. They are acts of destablilization.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2...

Ledeen was also involved with Robert McFarlane in the Iran Contra Scandal. Ledeen actually sold TOW  missiles to the Israelis who would then sell them to Iran. Iran is the nation Ledeen currently would like to see "regime change" in. Is there a method to his madness?

Iran Contra resulted in War in Nicaragua, many people were killed to remove the Sandinistas and Daniel Ortega from power and bring "Democracy" to Nicaragua. Whoops! Daniel Ortega is currently the democratically elected president of Nicaragua. Narco News reports on the events in Latin America.They have not reported to my knowledge that Michael Ledeen was involved in fighting the Sandanistas.

Michael Ledeen is an unabashed fascist. I don't think anyone can come to any other conclusion. I don't mean fascist in a pejorative sense. I mean he ascribes whooly or in part to fascism as a viable system of government. He can hardly contain himself from saying so. Here is an excerpt from his book on Mussolini.

"Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single leader a dictator willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures, which few know how, or are willing, to employ."

This is Peter Ackerman's friend.

Where are the articles Peter Ackerman has written with Michael Moore?

Well, he's not writing articles with Michael Moore. But he did introduce President Bush when Bush spoke at the Freedom House where Ackerman is Chairman of the Board of Trustees. Why would Bush choose to speak at Freedom House and have Peter Ackerman introduce him? There can be only one answer. Freedom house and Peter Ackerman are representative of Bush's thinking and policies. It's really not that complicated. This isn't guilt by association. It's guilt by colloboration.

The Cato Institute of which Ackerman is on the board of directors, along with Rupert Murdoch is a Libertarian think tank that wishes to privatize social security they receive funding from the Scaife foundation. Richard Scaife promoted the Monica Lewinsky scandal and is virulently anti Hilliary Clinton. So is Narco News, so is Peter Ackerman.

Freedom house and it's past or current board of directors: Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Otto Reich, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Steve Forbes.

I didn't see Michael Moore's name in there. Ralph Feingold isn't on there either. Neither is Steven Zunes for some reason. How about Chuck Schumer even? Not even John McCain! The Neo-Cons don't like McCain.

It's not really funny.

Here is an excellent article by Stephan Gowans that beautifully describes what is actually going on.

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/...

Stephan Gowans sums it up perfectly

"Ackerman and Helvey's new type of mercenary are practioners of what the CIA used to call destabilization. To escape the taint of its CIA past, destabilization has been rebranded. It's now called nonviolent resistance (NVR), shrewdly drawing upon the reputation of Martin Luther King Jr.'s nonviolent struggles for black civil rights in the 1960s. But where King sought to bring about change within the system, and in the United States, NVR is strictly a foreign affair, seeking to overturn governments abroad that operate outside the system of U.S. imperial domination."

The conclusion I come to is that the ICNC is a ruse. Like the Freedom Foundation, where Ackerman was a chairperson, and the AEI, these alleged "foundations" seek to undermine other nations in the same way that the CIA has long since undermined other nations. As Markos Moulitsas once blurted, "by killing labor leaders" and by bribing labor leaders to strike, providing propaganda materials, paying off generals to revolt and assassinating world leaders like Allende in Chile. Assassination is not something the ICNC advocates. But it ican often be the inevitable result of interference with other nations internal affairs

It's not to say that everyone in ICNC is a secret agent. Quite the contrary. Many have bonafide leftist credentials. What's happened is they have been seduced by a purposely vague, amorphous hidden ideology which they cannot comphrehend whose objectives are masked by verbally progressive language.

They just aren't real smart people. How many awards or degress a person holds is never a measure of intelligence. Intelligence is exhibited by any organism that acts in a way that is beneficial to it's survival. That almost always requires seeking a stable atmosphere in their environment.  Destablilizing other nations is utterly stupid and always results in a contradiction of the alleged stated objective. That's why Michael Ledeen who once sold missles to Iran now wants to destroy their government and why Daniel Ortega is president of Nicaragua. All these actions by Ledeen resulted in 0 benefit to him or his imagined political ideals.

There is, simply put, a kind of mass mental illness in America.  It's not new, but it's expressing itself very strongly in these times. Zunes rebuttal to Gowans article is absurd. The proof is exemplified in the actions of people like president Obama who seduced so many "progressives" people into thinking he was liberal, anti-war, anti corporate and protective of the enviornment. He's the prime example of whats being done.

Only now, the CIA works through them and they call themselves "non-violent" centers of CONFLICT. The world CONFLICT almost gets lost. They are creating CONFLICT, destabilization. That means they are ruining people lives in order to remove those people as well as totally innocent people on the periphery. And why are they doing this?

In addition to being very dumb people, they are also very confused people. Typically these people come from suburban or rural backgrounds where their wealth further isolates them from the general population. Then,  they attend prestigious Universities which educate them into thinking they are some how "special and privileged". They are "educated".

Most of "THEM"...the rest of the world who have to work for a living, the unfortunates, are not "educated" enough or intelligent enough to have amassed private wealth and the "freedom" private wealth affords.

Ackerman formerly worked for Goldman Sachs and his superior intelligence allowed him to amass private wealth and afforded him time to delve into his hobby, "world affairs". I guess he didn't want to become a piano player.

And thus begins the Neo-con  never ending circular journey into an unfeeling world of utter confusion, arrogance, intolerance and blatant stupidity all justified by their imagined social standing which exists through an imposed sheer brute force.

They impose their conception of the world on everyone else and attempt to keep the public "down". America has been keeping other nations "down", keeping them from economic independence and being able to resist American influence for decades. Now it's turning more of it's attention toward itself.
There should be an analysis of Narco News and it's articles. Al Giordano of Narco News is a proponent of this kind of so called community organizing that the ICNC and Michael Ledeen advocate, where gringo's run around in Latin America and try to help communities overcome the oppression imposed upon them by other gringo's.

The only problem is, it's the same gringo. And what the gringo needs to do, is mind his own gringo business. It's what the Conquistador's did who were followed by the clergy. The conquistadors would rape, pillage and infect. The priests would come after them offering salvation in exchange for slavery in all it's forms.  They would protect the slaves from the Conquistadors in exchange for building churches, service and sex.

What's interesting about Narco News is Al Giordano never criticizes Barack Obama. There is no criticism of Obama for what happened in Honduras that I have seen on Narco News.

Obama is currently being hailed by the Neo-Cons as the new War President.  William Kristol is delighted, Ken Adelman actually voted for him.  Adelman knew what he was getting. So did I.

Many members of right wing groups who were anti- Clinton like the AEI and Scaife groups are actually supportive of Obama as he continues the policies of George Bush. Ken Adelman for example supported Obama who promised as a candidate to expand the war in Afghanistan.

So what we have is a kind of velvet revolution in America. Where right wing groups pose or fund other groups posing in the language of the left to go about seducing listless and sometimes well meaning people on the left by creating appropriate behavioral language that signifiies inclusion, safety and the security of sharing a kind of social like mindedness that seems to embrace the values of the left in terms especially of equality. But it isn't equality, it's freedom. Freedom for corporations that offers the illusion of trickle down freedom for the lower forms. Equality is an imposition of the government. As Neo cons we want less government, more freedom.

And what we get is a Barack Obama who many Neo-Cons voted for. He's got the left eating out of his hand. And what's in his hand has been put there by the likes of Peter Ackerman.

This is really twisted. AEI, ICNC, Freedom House, Scaife have discovered how to manipulate people on a mass scale.

And it's working.

Just ask Steve Zunes.  

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It is suspicious. (0.00 / 0)
I agree.

When you were first posting about this organization, I went to visit their website.

Their goals and means do not make sense to me as ways to genuine peace. Quite the opposite in so many ways, in fact.

That said, I cannot entirely unite with all your concerns regarding all the people and organizations you indict in your diary. Nevertheless, though I know this is not important to you, I give you much credit for bringing this organization to my attention.

Any suggestions as to what any of us might do about it?


What to do about IT? (4.00 / 3)
Stepan Gowans has written about this. His report is better.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/...

The point of all this is....that organizations....many of them who call themselves Non-violent ...or the "Center for Freedom"....or  whatever, have in their names  catch phrases that sound friendly, using words like peace, justice, freedom, human rights etc are actually organizations that seek to destablilize foreign government mostly for reasons having to do with economics which are then covered with the syrup of ideology.

Look at who this guy Ackerman is associating with. It's always people to the right. He's not writing articles with Amy Goodman. Michael Ledeen is on Fox all the time. So the idea that this is guilt by association does in fact have validity when the people are preponderantly to the extreme right. Michael Ledeen is considered to be the most extreme of ALL NEO CONS by some.
We haven't heard all the things he's done.

Michael Ledeen is a nerd to boot. He's out of it. These are the people who are running this nation. They are completely intellectualized and rationalize everything. They have no human feeling for the people they are killing. THey are cold people. They aren't entirely human, they are disturbed people who exist in groups and these groups provide affirmation within them for their collective madness.

Ledeen would like to come out and say..."fascism is really the way to go for AMerica"...but he can't. It wouldn't be accepted. Not Yet. Look at those quotes...Mussolini didn't give the people a chance to participate in fascism....what's he saying? ..if he had given them the chance fascism would have flourished and their lives would have been better.

Ledeen believes his ideas should be imposed, not accepted. He believes that the wealthy people of this nation are those who should control the government...that's the most common definition of fascsim.

I hate this question....What can we do about it?

Do you think I'm so arrogant that I could possibly offer an answer? That's something you can ask Michael Ledeen however...and he'll have all the answers ready and waiting.

Too many Americans are answering that question...What can we do about It?..and the result is war.

It's the wrong question.

What IS IT? That's the question. What's going on. How can anyone answer what to do about IT if you don't know what IT is?


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I don't know, Stu. (4.50 / 2)
I was showing interest in your diary and asking for your thoughts and ideas. If I had thought your response would be arrogant merely for your having answered, I doubt that I should have been likely to have asked.

I will leave your diary to people who ask better questions. Good luck in your investigations.


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Vox (0.00 / 0)
....I understand ....I appreciate your interest.

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We need to reassign (4.00 / 1)
our ambassadors. Except these days we don't call them ambassadors anymore. We call them drones. That would be an excellent place to start.

"May we live long and die out"

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Confusion (0.00 / 0)
He's for intervention in Iran...like Cynthia McKinney...he doesn't seem to make much sense with such polar views...but that's what's happened to the "left" ...it's very confused.

I think Narco News is very confused.


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Where do you get Cynthia McKinney being pro-iran war from? (0.00 / 0)
Wikipedia notes that together with three other independent presidential candidates she called for,

An early end to the Iraq war, and an end to threats of war against other countries including Iran and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

From the green party:

Greens have warned that an attack on Iran would bring untold consequences, including a greater regional or global conflict, and that the threat itself is an incentive for Iran and other nations to seek a nuclear arsenal. Greens call for an end to such threats, for diplomacy and friendship with Iran, and for an aggressive effort towards regional and global nuclear disarmament, noting the menace posed by Israel's and Pakistan's possession of nuclear weapons.

http://www.hotindienews.com/ar...

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My Confusion (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry ....I didn't mean Cynthia McKinney...I very aware of her....I have no idea of why I put here name in there....I screwed that up and can't remember the context.

Apologies to CM...

Now, I'm confused!

I better read my comments more carefully!


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Giordano has ties to McKinney (0.00 / 0)
I was checking out one of his old websites at archive.org. He's also been close to Michael Ruppert. His schtick is to say that any critism of himself is McCarthyism. He looks like a real chump after an internet friend the_last_name_left took him to school for his ties to Ackerman. Giordano is a fake lefty. He is an opportunist. He kind of reeks of possibly being a political consultant. But these guys are so prolific, that the search engine results mostly feed into aiding his image as a peacenik lefty. I see he ran interference for the bail-out of Wall Street. One link I found he was making a story out of Columbia look to have been a success due to the American government. He is pushing for the colour revolutions, which we can see have ties to kinder and gentler imperialism. Ironically, the source he used for that Columbia story is anonymous. Yet, anything we ask him about is meaningless because we are anonymous. I think he is a sophist. He is a Kossack type. Anyone to the pure left is astroturfed as being leftier-than-thou. No true lefty would have ever pimped for John McCain. I think he is similar to Markos. He co-opted the label of lefty progressive. True lefties have become marginalised.  

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Fuck You, sucrates. You Neocon Scumbag. See Below --- (0.00 / 0)


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Michael Ruppert... (0.00 / 0)
So?

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Hello Laura (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure how close to Ruppert Al Giordano has been. Al accuses me of using McCarthyist methods of smearing people due to their associations. He never did respond to a question about his ties to Ruppert. But I agree he has a point, if it's taken too far.

I believe Mike Ruppert has little to no credibility. You may find the following article by David Corn interesting. It spells out Ruppert's relationship with disinfo concerning Delmart Vreeland.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs...

I want to thank you for putting some of my entries on the front page. Thanks also for implementing a few rules that are not forms of censorship, as in editing posts which bust up margins and preventing fake, cloned usernames from being allowed.

I know yourself and doberman pinche are close. She wants you to be a bridesmaid at our cyber wedding. I am hopeful that even though we have clashed in the past, that we will be able to put our conflicts in the rear view window. If we ever have cyber children, I expect you'll become a part of their lives. That is fine with me. I don't hold grudges. I believe people can change. I sincerely apologise for any discomfort I've caused you in the past. I am in love with the username doberman pinche and only wish to bring her love and happiness for as long as I am in this blogosphere.



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I've read a lot about Ruppert (4.00 / 1)
I've always thought he was a bit naive/too idealistic/unscientific/etc. But not 'disinfo'. And honestly, his infamy post 9-11 doesn't concern me much. Pretty much everyone paying attention before 9/11 lost their shit trying to explain whatreallyhappened. It's quite possible that Ruppert did/does have some inside info but I can't see that mattering in any context. He holds no power, and remains at the mercy of state-imposed ignorance.

I guess my overall point about him is that I've never seen anyone smear him or out him as 'disinfo' who wasn't disinfo themselves -  especially regarding his motivations pre 9/11. The Nation is msm, imo. Several 'hits' but many more misses(Chris Hitchens, etc). They're one of the many leftier publications which fell deeper into the mainstream post 9/11.


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Delmart Vreeland is disinfo (0.00 / 0)
Mike Ruppert was right in the middle of the Delmart Vreeland crap. If you don't want to look into it, that shows you weren't really looking for a reason why anyone would have doubts about Ruppert's credibility. Then for some reason intead of typing what really happened, you wrote whatreallyhappened without the spaces. Is that supposed to show your solidarity with another disinfo focker named Michael Rivero?

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Not too sharp, eh (0.00 / 0)
You're the one who hasn't 'looked into' Ruppert if this is all you're basing your theory on. whatreallyhappened? Hey, if we spent all our time here accounting for playful turn of phrase...well. We'd be you.

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Ugh (0.00 / 0)
You wrote whatreallyhappened without spaces. Do you like Michael Rivero? What really happened are three words. Michael Rivero is a disinfo, anti-semitic douchebag. As for Ruppert, I supplied you with info concerning his close affiliation with Delmart Vreeland. What is with you Kos Kop blogmaids like MajorFlaw that you never debate fairly, never create any blog posts, and just blurt your crap out like anyone truly cares? You need to realise that I have better things to do than deal directly with trolls. You continue to look stupid. I guess paying $15 month to keep this forum alive turns you into something you're not. So what's up with writing what really happened as one word, and what's up with Delmart Vreeland and Ruppert? Or are you just a waste of time troll who doesn't interact fairly?

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Dumbass (0.00 / 0)
Ruppert acknowledged that Vreeland was a liar, at least about some things. I'm not doing your work for you dude.

I never got too deep into the 9/11 stuff. Rivero? You clearly have a passion beyond bounds for him. I couldn't care less. What's the point? Of course if any of 'it' were true there would be instant astroturfing...or maybe not. They make themselves look crazy enough by simply being ignorant of REAL conspiracy, and by their overdone SHOCK and amazement. There's always been shadow players...Reagan's deputy dogs or whatever he used to call them. Who cares. The point is that Ruppert does not = truther. Why the fuck don't YOU research Ruppert you fuck, he didn't make his 'name' from the 9/11 stuff. He may have gotten caught up with the wrong people then but that's usually part of the outcome when you play this game in earnest like he does. That's his problem. He truly believes there'll be a tipping point after so much info is spread. He doesn't seem to understand that the tipping points only come when the wilfully ignorant begin to actually SUFFER.

You want your mind really blown? I was living in Mishawaka, IN when Vreeland got arrested and released without consequence like 20 times in the year before 9/11. There must be a connection. Go fetch!


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Ruppert promoted Vreeland (0.00 / 0)
You are a waste of time. You wrote whatreallyhappened without spaces. Ruppert was clearly all over Sept. 11th conspiracy theory.  I don't give a shit about you. You're a troll. You're another pea-sized brain who doesn't interact fairly.

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Ruppert 'promoted' Vreeland...until he didn't. (0.00 / 0)
You are the pee brain here, duderino.


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You're a mosquito (0.00 / 0)
The David Corn link is up above. I don't waste time with people who are irrational and illogical with their posts. Oh yes, Markos Moulitsas was a Republican until he wasn't. Ruppert is a crackpot crank just like your buddy Michael Rivero. You wrote whatreallyhappened without spaces. That's focked up. You and your "alternative media" schticks don't add up, never will. Go play with the lordship. Scat. Shoo. The adults have things to get done.  

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Which adults would those be? (0.00 / 0)


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That was just me being stupid (0.00 / 0)
It was some lame attempt at making fun of the ugogs. I guess at least I didn't say you're in your Mom's basement with cheetoh juice running down your shirt. Hey, maybe Ruppert is a good guy. I am open-minded. If he got burnt by Vreeland, he can join the club. We all fall for various stuff. I fell for that guy Fintan Dunne. Only for a month or two. I got my revenge. He's a strawman for the idea that there are internet fakes.  

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McKinney has looked good on the surface (0.00 / 0)
I remember last year or the one before she was talking about execution styled massacres of prisoners after Katrina. It looked like she really said that. It doesn't help the cause to have an internet full of bullshit. I don't think McKinney is a fake, but perhaps she has been unduly influenced by disinfo focks. Giordano could be the Hal Turner of lefties. He could be an agent provocateur. He could be multi-tasking and also be a propagandist and DLC operative. He could be none of those things and merely be a self-centered hack. It's like the poster Blues here. That could be a paid fuckface, or it could merely be someone insane.  

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Sorry for the confusion (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry what I wrote above about McKinney being confused....that's a typo...I can't remember what I was trying to say....She may have helped Giordano...but that doesn't mean anything bad because he's not easy on the surface to see him as being the rather conservative fellow that he is.

I don't think McKinney is stained at all.


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You just hate anyone who is pro-Palestinian (3.00 / 1)
You're a Zionist nutcase, right?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Suckrates, You Are Such A Fucking NWO Tool (0.00 / 0)
Like anybody would believe word one of your psyop disinfo.

You creepy little piece of excrement.

"Divide us up?"

Go back to the CIA in San Diego. Pilot some other drone. Cowardly scumbag.


They have a forum at Rense.com for folks like you (0.00 / 0)
Or try Alex Jones' infowars. Or Michael Rivero. Or check yourself into a mental hospital. There are a lot of options for Willis Carto inspired dumbfucks like yourself.

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There's A Place For You Too, Ashkenazi NeoJew Coward. Go To Your Stolen "Homeland" (0.00 / 0)


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"Joos?" How About "Goiz?" (0.00 / 0)


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