Obama's Afghanistan Strategy is a "Game-Changer"

Check. (0.00 / 0)

Yur move, loooosers.

[;o)

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 13:41:55 PM CST

Badhrakumar doing some wishful thinking (0.00 / 0)

Broadly speaking, just about everyone understands that the US surge of 30,000 additional troops in Afghanistan is a passing necessity. It merely provides the gateway to an end-game strategy aimed at ensuring American power doesn't get bogged down in a pointless quagmire in the Hindu Kush.

So, you, tale, are stating you think the U.S. won't get bogged down in a pointless quagmire in the Hindu Kush? C'mon, get yourself out front on this donkeytale, show us your predictive skills and then your credibility on international affairs and Obama-loving goes way up! But before you commit yourself, remember Badhy has been the same guy optimistically saying for awhile that a power-sharing deal between the Taliban and the Afghan/US PTB was about to happen, had to be happening very soon, cuz it just makes/made so much logical sense. Bad boy's got a blind spot there: what makes sense even from a PTB strategic perspective sometimes doesn't happen cuz it doesn't make sense from a war industry or other asshole perspective.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 15:01:29 PM CST

He shows ability to admit when he's wrong....you were hopin he was wright about the Taliban back in power...you quoted him on it against me, no? (5.00 / 1)

I love beating yu over the head with yur own stage props....

I predict that you never will admit when yur wrong.

You never do.

And you always are, in anything of importance.

Send my regrets to yur buddiez in Tehran.

Sorry boyz, Failreft was wrong about yur "major victory," too.

Figure it out Failreft. Not a single emerging country in the region, including the USSR and Communist China, feels any love toward Afghanistan, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda or the leadership of glorious Islamic Republikkk of Gilligan's Isle-Iran.

They want those loooosers pwned as badly or more badly as does the west.

Only you are sticking up for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, the leadership of Iran. You are playing gotcha on a blog. Pyrrhiod. They all would hang yur ass in 2 seconds too, "lefty". Except, youd be hidin in a burkha like you hidin in yur cubicle.

Thats whats so funny about yu, bootlicker.

They all love exploiting Iran, sure. Thats what I explained to you last week and thats what the Iranians are now admitting.

I'm prescient. Yur predictable. Predictably "off."

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 15:25:33 PM CST

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what are you talking about? (0.00 / 0)

Did the West, in line with your 'prediction', unite and impose sanctions on Iran? I'm not keeping up with the news on that minute by minute.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 16:03:02 PM CST

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Of course you are following (0.00 / 0)

"minute by minute." Wrong approach.....Diplomacy is still in the opening moves. You've already declared "major victory," which is "off."

yur a premature ejaculator....

Iran has won nothing and has been put on the defensive vis a vis their "friendz" Russia and China. In fact, now they are admitting the two countries arent their friendz, but their expoiters.

Just. As. I. Told. You.

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 16:46:31 PM CST

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Very interesting article, though (0.00 / 0)

Badhrakumar is always worth the read. The final comments were very interesting, considering a lot of recent blather from hawk pseudo-liberals:

. . . Obama should encourage Karzai to exercise power rather marginalize him.

Yet there are disturbing signs that the Americans are not getting the picture. There is talk of side-stepping Karzai and routing the American aid directly to "local leaders". That would be a catastrophic mistake that would almost certainly ensure that Afghanistan descends into anarchy.

For one thing, Karzai will not tolerate such a public slight, and endless complications will arise in the equations between Washington and Kabul during the sensitive period ahead, which will prove exasperating and provide a wasteful distraction. Secondly, the US will be tacitly encouraging local leaders to ignore Kabul's writ. All sorts of fissiparous tendencies will surface.

Thirdly, Obama can be virtually certain that the so-called local leaders would take the Americans for a sweet, long ride. Never underestimate the Afghan ingenuity to inveigle foreigners in their scheme of things by creating an optical illusion that the latter call the shots.

It is a highly romantic notion that overnight "bearded Americans" could be moving about in the tangled mountains and deep cavernous ravines with roving bands of local Afghan militia. But the sojourn could prove lethal when you don't even know how to distinguish who is Taliban and who is not.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 15:12:29 PM CST

Yes, it is a very risky maneuvre on Obasama's part, without qwestian, (0.00 / 0)

with lotsa potential pitfalls....both domestically and internationally.

Is this another LBJ/Vietnam, as you and 4ky predictably whine in unison? Not contextually at all....

Or is it the other chess move of an all encompassing strategy thats also unfolding in Pakastan, to put the squeeze on the islamic Mullah warlords and force them off the board, using carrots and sticks?

[mixed metafur alert]

Your looking myopically and thinking narrowly from an outmoded frame of reference.

As usual. From a purely peacenikkk at any cost perspective.

You cant say Obasama is playing it safe, thats for sure. I'm not in the least surprised.

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 15:41:28 PM CST

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You do understand Badhy is predicting we're outta there (0.00 / 0)

like the Soviets in 2 or 3 years? That he thinks the Obama decision indicates something parallel to Gorbachev giving the Soviets one last chance in '85 to win the war on the ground and then it would be scale down and withdraw? I think that's some wishful thinking. The U.S. has an military-industrial complex that needs wars and profits. Peace doesn't get them those things. We'll see.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 16:06:13 PM CST

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Again, yur "off" (0.00 / 0)

"like the Soviets"

not at all like the Soviets.

Completely different circumstances on both sides, the geopolitics different, UN involvement, Taliban waging war in Pakasatn too, etc.

Not at all similar.

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 16:49:27 PM CST

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That's what I said. (0.00 / 0)

Yer disagreeing with bad boy, I think, not me.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 16:57:54 PM CST

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Thats what you said he said...but yur overly simplistic as always and yur paraphrasing (0.00 / 0)

of others viewpoints laughable....plus you dont even reiterate yur one comments accurately.

You just say stuff, which makes you incoherent and nonsensical 90% of the time.

Read what he said again. He sees some parallels between the Soviet endgame surge and the US surge, which are obvious to anybody, but he also lists 3-4 large differences:

To be sure, setting aside pride and prejudice, Moscow would realize that Obama has good chance of still succeeding where the Kremlin failed for a variety of reasons. The Taliban doesn't enjoy the anywhere near the level of international support that the mujahideen had.

Two, unlike in 1992, the Afghan government is relatively stable and can draw on international support in terms of aid and political recognition. (Actually, the communist government in Kabul showed staying power despite the Kremlin pulling out troops.)

Three, the Soviets lacked any reach to the mujahideen sanctuaries inside Pakistan, whereas America's Predator drones possess precisely the capability to peer deep into Pakistani territory. The Obama administration has just revealed that it will not hesitate to deploy these aircraft over the Balochistan skies and take out the so-called Quetta shura (council) - the Taliban's ruling council based in Pakistan - should the need arise.

Pakistani leader General Zia ul-Haq got away with a lot of nonsense in the Soviet era but the present powers in Islamabad lack the leverage that the Cold War provided.

The US and USSR are on teh same side this time around, the UN is involved and yur buddiez the Taliban are reviled world wide as well as inside Afghanistan and Pakastan.

So no, I'm not fully agreeing/disgreeing with him and your take is as usual, half-baked. Undercooked.  

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 17:28:12 PM CST

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You're neither "fully agreeing/disagreeing with him"? (0.00 / 0)

What is your position then?

My position is that Badhrakumar is engaging in wishful thinking, and that the U.S. will "get bogged down in a pointless quagmire in the Hindu Kush."

Pretty clearly Badhrakumar's position is that the U.S. won't "get bogged down in a pointless quagmire in the Hindu Kush."

But you have no identifiable position at this point. I thought maybe that by publishing this diary you were agreeing at least very generally with Badhrakumar's position. I guess I was wrong.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 17:47:24 PM CST

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Sure, he just listed his same old position while pulling that quote to raise his imaginary debate team score (0.00 / 0)

the Afghan government is relatively stable and can draw on international support in terms of aid and political recognition.

ROTFLMAO. Maddening High School worldview. And this:

America's Predator drones possess precisely the capability to peer deep into Pakistani territory.

Just what we need, another aging male cheerleader.

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by: Laura @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 17:59:17 PM CST

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BTW, front page this shit, it's awesome (0.00 / 0)

So good I'm learning to spell Badhykumar (sp?).

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 12:58:39 PM CST

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Bahdy-Kumar lol (5.00 / 1)

Sounds made up, like Naheem Napeshnapetlam or whatever the Quickie Mart guy's name was.

Front page this sadness? Why not, I'm feeling almost Christmassy.

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by: Laura @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 14:25:25 PM CST

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More half baked paraphrasing...and who cares about yur entirely predictable prediction (4.00 / 1)

that we will get bogged down there? How revelatory and educational. Wow. Stop the presses: Failreft says that we will get bogged down because Obama is just like Bush. Obama is just like Gorby. Sure, and don't forget: Afghanistan is just like Vietnam. Or WTF.  

That about cover the extent of yur brilliant predictive analysis?

Why dont you see if Vegas or yur local bookie will make book on yur predictions? At least then they'd have some use for someone. You could probably get "3 yrs" on the over/under and I already know you will take the over anyway.

What my dairy says to me is pretty clear, but you prefer to play Kreskin, or wtf, and want very badly for me to take the under. Great. Thats how the house wants it too. They make their money on the vigourish. Here. I'll take the over too and we can break the bank. Happier now?

Obama's doing something heretofore not done by any previous Amerikkkan Presidit: he's aligning the US with the new Asian PTB, the Indians/Russians/Chinese, all of whom are also battling Islamic militancy, and yur buddiez in Iran are being pwnd in the process too, manipulated into a corner, diplomatically.  

Obama is changing the game, changing Amerikkka's role in the world, and he's working more closely than any previous Presidit with new, non-traditional allies, something which I predicted long ago would be Obama's primary presiditzial importance. I see the UN engagement deepening at some point in Afghanistan, hopefully with greater Asian nation involvement, greater Muslim nation involvement.

BTW, I'm not yet convinced that the globalized approach, the new alliances, etc. are for the good longterm. I tend to be optimistic WRT world pluralism bound by trade but the world will always be a dark and conforming place.

Thats why I said I dont agree/disagree. My gut tells me globalism is bad because it reduces personal freedom and choices, is anti-democratic ultimately, but I don't tend to look at good/bad. I just look at emerging trends. I'll leave the simpleminded moralizing to the religious nutters like you and Mrs. Howl.

 

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by: donkeytale @ Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 19:05:25 PM CST

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So, yer position is "Obama is changing the game." (0.00 / 0)

And other assorted non-specific bullshit. Phrases like "at some point" are not getting you anywhere close to specificity.

If I have the ability to predict things that creates credibility for me in a scientific-method-based reality. By not predicting anything you have no chance ever to be credible.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 12:56:58 PM CST

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More evidence of PTB solidarity and "Obama-loving" WRT Islamic jihad from "Baddass": (0.00 / 0)

New Delhi received Moscow's "solidarity and support" for its line that Pakistan is yet to bring the perpetrators of last year's terrorist attack in Mumbai to justice, while New Delhi reciprocated with support for Russia's "efforts to maintain peace and stability in the Caucasus". But there was no broader reference to India's security concerns vis-a-vis Pakistan. In comparison, the US-Indian joint statement was far more forthcoming.

The Russian and Indian leaderships took a common position on Afghanistan - support for President Hamid Karzai's government; emphasis on the imperative of a robust counter-terrorist campaign against al-Qaeda and the Taliban; rejection of any attempt to differentiate between "good" and "bad" Taliban; the need for "strict observance" of the United Nations Security Council sanctions against the Taliban leaders; and a commitment to a "democratic, pluralistic and stable" Afghanistan.

Quite obviously, this amounts to substantial common ground. Both countries suffer "collateral damage" to their national security if the Afghan situation worsens and radical Islam gains ground. So, will they moot a common initiative on an Afghan settlement? Unlikely.

For Russia, the Afghan problem is much more than the sum total of shared concerns with India. It is a factor in Russia's "reset" of ties with the US; it is linked to the eastward expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and it also has profound implications for Moscow's leadership role in the security of Central Asia.

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by: donkeytale @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 11:28:39 AM CST

Russia and India (3.00 / 1)

have both been kill-or-die with Islamic assholes since way before the USA even existed.

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by: gzodik @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 18:24:18 PM CST

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Donkeytale, you should apply for a grant from Peter Ackerman of Freedom House (0.00 / 0)

Check out Al Giordano having a meltdown of epic proportions.  

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...

Donkeytale is the Al Giordano of 'blog misfits'. Social reality is a lot more complex than he'd like the readers to believe.  

The one constant through DT's blogging is his kissing up to the Obama Administration. Strange that.

Kinder and gentler imperialism is still oppression, duderinotale. Kinder and gentler imperialism is what this is all about. Just not in Iraq or Afghanistan.


http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...

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by: socrates @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 15:01:33 PM CST

What are their prices like? (4.00 / 1)

I can be bought!
I can be bought!

Unless it's like just a few $10K in which case don't insult me like that.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 15:11:39 PM CST

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Giordano spanked you and you loved it....you were stammering around begging for more (0.00 / 0)

Otherwise, very boring thread.

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by: donkeytale @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 15:23:09 PM CST

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Only a political operative or moron would find it boring (0.00 / 0)

Plus, it was the other way around. I wasn't begging him for any posts. Until today, he's been avoiding the heart of the topic. Isn't it about time for you to again astroturf how funny you are? That was a bad strategic move implying man-made global warming is a hoax. You also took your man-crush on Obama a bit too far. People can find various links through that "boring" thread and then have a complete awareness of how much a dead-end and off-topic your "debates" with fairleft are.  

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...

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by: socrates @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 15:49:45 PM CST

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Giordano's bargain with the devil (0.00 / 0)

Ackerman's organization is evil, but it's hard to do anything without money. But look at all the people who are going to teach at that school. Olivera and Alvarez, the first two on the list below, are righteous activists, and I'm happy to see them collect a pay check and inspire some activist journalists.

The theme for the 2010 School will be Journalism and Civil Resistance, with an impressive collection of professors with skills and experiences in every kind of media . . . , including internationally respected community organizers and leaders Oscar Olivera of Bolivia, Celeo Alvarez Casildo and Karen Vargas of Honduras, Ivan Marovic of Serbia, former African National Congress organizer Howard Barrell and other professors who will assist the journalism scholars in understanding the dynamics and strategies of social movements.

http://www.authenticjournalism...

There's a long list of others at the link below. Maybe you can find some that have worked for CIA destabilization projects like the Orange and other anti-revolutions. Anyway, I did two, they seem like great guys, you look up the rest:

http://www.narconews.com/Issue...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 16:33:33 PM CST

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Stay out of Honduras, AfPak and Iran (4.00 / 1)

Narco news is really a bit on the conservative side. They do provide information. I don't think the CIA is running Narco News or that Giordano is an agent or anything....

But I think Jack Duvall and Peter Ackerman are connected to some kinds of intelligence agencies and Duvall is teaching student at the school of journalism and he's a very dubuious character ...but especially Ackerman...he and his fascist friendly friend Michael Ledeen.

Narco News does not criticize Barack Obama who, in essence, appears to be essientially a Neo Con dressed in progressive clothing. And I really mean that.

Narco News, Al Giordano is quite conservative and approves of American involvement in the affairs of other nations toward destablilization.

I have no idea how he has done anything to "destablize" the coup leaders. He refuses or chooses not to criticize Obama on Honduras. Obama is no supporting the coup leaders full force by accepting the results of the phony election.

Not a peep from Giordano...instead he criticizes the Hondurans....

The point being ...the U.S. should stay out of the affairs of other nations for practical reasons...it's always a disaster...and that goes for "lefties" and progressives as well.

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by: Stu Piddy @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 17:50:43 PM CST

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looser in the head (0.00 / 0)

Yes the United States has a long history of success in invading nations that pose no threat.

They did a helluva job in Grenada and Haiti...

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by: Stu Piddy @ Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 17:41:32 PM CST