DavidByron and Blues Linked to Willis Carto and Right Woos Left

Michael Rivero Further Exposed (0.00 / 0)

I found some more bullshite coming out of Rivero. He is another historic troll with ties to Willis Carto. This is the kind of crap that Mattes, Tinoire, and Blues support. No true lefties would ever go near this shit. I'm having trouble finding anything about the following crazy tidbit other than from a Jew hate site named judicial Inc Biz. Rivero claims that the American Nazi Party  was sponsored by the ADL. He should have called them the German American Bund. Perhaps this mistake was a deliberate one meant to sow further confusion. I can come to no other conclusion than that this link is the basis by which he made the outrageous claim. It appears that the American Nazi Party and The German American Bund were two separate groups.  

Fake Al Qaeda Actors EXPOSED! Adam Gadahn & Yousef al-Khattab

(partial transcript excerpt from around the 48 second mark)

Michael Rivero: ...and if you've been following the history of the Anti-Defamation League, you will find out they've been very much involved with covertly supporting a lot of these so-called American Nazi movements. In fact, all the way back just about the time of WW2, there was this scandal where the head of the American Nazi Party, which had a total membership of like six, and yet they were getting all this press. Uhm, [Kuhn] was arrested for embezzling from his sponsors, which turned out to be the ADL. So that kind of blew up in their faces.

The comments at youtube, by the way, are disgusting. Good guys are getting their comments rated into oblivion, while the neo-nazi ones are being recommended.

The crap spewed here seems to go beyond any "sincere" hatred of Jews and seems to be pure, unadulterated, disinfo crap. Michael Rivero to me is beyond being a grifter making money off of stupid conspiracy theories. I believe he is the epitome of a disinfo agent.

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by: socrates @ Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 18:46:11 PM CST

Your links show DavidByron being reasonable (3.75 / 4)

I don't think it's right-wing to believe that far more U.S. personnel died from the Iraq invasion than the DOD is telling us. DavidB isn't 'supporting' an exact large number anyway, just saying he's aware of the number-fudging common to Pentagon war PR. Blues has an entirely different take, on cheap heroin from Afghanistan killing Americans. Anyway, that June 2005 article is basically a blockquote from the Huffington Post, not exactly glaring with sinister right-wingedness to the average leftie reader.

I disagree with your implication that it's wrong to not be from England and to be all over the internet spreading latent homosexuality, but otherwise I'm confused by the mid-section of your diary.

The comments you show from the April 2006 Dkos diary shows him arguing with people who apparently don't think it's a crime not to pay court-ordered child support. Elsewhere he argues his often-argued point that men should have the choice whether to monetarily support the child that his sex partner has decided to give birth to. What's the big, sinister deal?

The rest of your article is based on your irrational notion that anti-Zionists are anti-Jew. Zionism is a political idea, most commonly expressed as, basically, 'Jews deserve a homeland in Palestine,' but also sometimes expressed as 'Jews deserve a permanent and predominantly Jewish state in Palestine'. That second expression obviously creates problems, it implicitly endorses ethnic cleansing, for example. Anyway, I don't know what to say further, other than that any rational person can see that Zionism is a set of ideas and Jewish is a religion or a historical family connection to a religion.

So, uh, by the way, I'm not convinced is a rightie.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 22:59:19 PM CST

Should say "I'm not convinced DByron is a rightie." (0.00 / 0)

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 22:59:52 PM CST

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Really? (5.00 / 2)

Because he had me convinced for a while there.  I was less sure when he said I was gay of course, but you know -- maybe it's something i've just missed.  but then what reversed my view is when he said that my using the phrase "United Kingdom" pegged me as a right winger whereas everyone knows it really means I am closet Hegalian Trotskyist who dresses up in women's clothes and looks like ted Nugent.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 17:43:16 PM CST

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Why is this making me crack up so hard? (3.75 / 4)

I disagree with your implication that it's wrong to not be from England and to be all over the internet spreading latent homosexuality.

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by: Laura @ Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 23:13:12 PM CST

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MMMmmmm. (3.67 / 3)

"Latent" homosexuality.

Is that anything like incipient homosexuality?

Only my hairdresser knows!

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 17:44:41 PM CST

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Your writing is incoherent (0.00 / 0)

You, Byron, and Laura are the reason this blog is destined to fail. It already has. The point made was that the info referred to in that article came from Willis Carto's The Barnes Review. That is a ho9locaust denying, anti-semitic, right wing rag. That assholes like yourself have avoided this issue, even to this day, is probable cause that you are all paid fucks. Either that, or incredibly stupid.

I am leftier-peacenik than thou than every single one of you.

Blues' problems go beyond his psychosis. He links and tries to give credibility to such right wing Jew hating blogs.

DavidByron is a latent homosexual. Deal with it. Maybe you aren't the same person, but your defense of Thereisnorape and attack on Francis Holland at MLW is another blight on your blogging record. Your post here is yet another sign that you are suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. No true lefties spout the shit that DavidByron of probably Illinois or Florida posts. It's rubbish. You have all turned into that smelly sob on the bus or subway no one wants to be around. You are the three stooges of verbal diarrhea, you, Laura, and Byron. None of you seems real.  

Ye too often make comments that are merely attempts to brain fuck. That is a right wing characteristic. Your reading comprehension level is either all off or you are being contrarian on purpose. I think it is the latter. I don't think it's just that you're drunk or that you are a lazy fock. I think you deliberately post shit just like the other two. I think you are fakes. True lefty peaceniks do not think the way any of you do.  

Nice job spouting the Rivero meme that anti-zionism is different from anti-Joos. You shitfucks are a broken record and truly a waste of time. I bet people can't remember one fucking thing you've ever posted. That is a sign that you are a worthless blogger and probably a rat.  

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by: socrates @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 11:23:37 AM CST

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You and I made Laura laugh, is that failure? (4.00 / 1)

But the article itself was from the pwoggy Huffington Post, right? Many perfectly respectable progressives read that blockquote apparently without proper skepticism for the perfectly respectable reason that it was re-published in a Huffington Post piece and written by a perfectly respectable Huff Post liberal.

Your putdowns of latent homosexuals tell me more than I need to know about your sexuality. As far as I'm concerned everyone's either a homosexual or a latent one, except that a lot of the latent ones just think it's too icky.

And what've you got against Illinois (I can understand being anti-Florida)? Are you anti-Lincoln or a Missourian? My point was simply that it doesn't matter at all as far as I can tell where D Byron is 'really' from. If it matters, make the case, otherwise forgettabout it. Only if you pretended to be especially smart about British politics and used "I'm from Britain" as a basis for that supposed expertise, then it might matter whether you were really from Britain. Even then . . . well, never mind.  

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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by: fairleft @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 16:57:12 PM CST

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'Bitch-Donkey', brought to you by The Cancer Of The Internets (0.00 / 0)

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by: Laura @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 15:23:19 PM CST

I am everyone on the internets socrates (0.00 / 0)

You know like in the Matrix part 3?  You're the only one left.  Now I just have to figure out how come if I'm everyone I still get banned everywhere.....

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 17:25:42 PM CST

"Byron and all the other Jew haters" (4.00 / 1)

I have to say you're the first person that's told me that I hate people passionately but hide it well.  Normally I get told the exact opposite pretty much.  I'm not exactly someone who's hard to see where they are coming from.  If I don't like someone or something I am reading I am pretty happy to say so directly.

Except the Jew hating thing of course.  I've managed to hide that from everyone but you socrates.

(Luckily my dislike of feminism remains a closely guarded secret still .... bwahahahaha!!)


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 17:30:41 PM CST

Clearly you are a nutcase (5.00 / 1)

And it would probably be better to just let you keep searching the internet for my comments because after reading 100,000 of them (which would work out at only about 14 a day for 20 years) you might be brainwashed into believing what I say without the hard work of thinking about any of it.

Still since I got nothing better to do today I'll again point out that you're not making any sense or providing any evidence for your comments.  I don't mean the gay/not-gay burning issue or the important policy discussion of "Is David Byron really British?" nor even the crap about me being anti-woman.  The idea that I am anti-gay 9while apparently being gay) is also not worth responding to seriously.

I will however debate you on whether the two positions you've made a statement / stand on are correct or not. (1) that TINS was entirely correct to say that two people getting drunk and having sex isn't and shouldn't be rape and (2) that Israel should be destroyed.  Those are both lefty positions and you oppose them because you're not a lefty.

I've already mentioned the initial case that two people getting drunk and having sex isn't rape.  Sexists like you pretend that in that situation only the man is a rapist whereas anyone who treats both sexes equally -- ie the lefty position -- would have no basis for discrimination.  They would have to conclude either both people raped each other which is a nonsense, or that no rape occurred.  Furthermore sexist pigs like you can never answer the simple question of who rapes whom when two lesbians get drunk and have sex.  For you it's "Have penis, are guilty".  It's an explicitly sexist and discriminatory way of thinking and that's anti-Lefty.

The case against Israel is equally simple.  Israel invaded Palestine and massacred the indigenous population, threw them of their land and incarcerated most of the remaining population in huge concentration camps.  Those not in concentration camps are counted as "citizens" but the laws of the state are racist (an apartheid state like South Africa was before the apartheid state was eliminated).  This occupation a huge crime according to the UN charter and should be reversed.  That's not complex.  All the land that was stolen needs to be returned to the original population and hostilities need to cease.  Supporting the military occupation is racist and imperialist and decidedly anti-Lefty.

Now do you have any response?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sat Nov 28, 2009 at 18:50:25 PM CST

Suckrates, You Are Either An Overfunded Disinfo Op, Or A Compulsive Screwball (0.00 / 0)

He is referring to comments made by me and Byron in one American Street post in 2005. WTF?

Then he quotes me from an ancient MyDD post I probably made around 2005. It was an interesting subject that almost got me banned. I was test-piloting this theory that everything that has happened in this world since WW-I has revolved around oil. I don't know it this theory is correct, but there is an incredible mountain of evidence for it.

For example, everybody must know by now that FDR basically forced Japan to attack by disrupting oil shipping to Japan during its stupid war to reconquer part of China. And what was Germany doing? I did not address Hitler's stupid attack on Russia, or his insane slaughter of Jews, their relatives, Roma, and countless other people at all. What was interesting was that Hitler, while not much interested in Palestine, was very interested in the parts of the Middle East where the oil was thought to be.

This almost got me banned at MyDD. Closest I ever came. People somehow thought (it seems) that WW-II had to be all about the slaughter of the Jews, and I was saying it was about oil. But if you just look at the details, it really does look like just a struggle over oil. And the same argument could be made right now! I'm not 100% sure of this theory, but it has tons of evidence behind it.

And none of this has much at all to do with "left" or "right" or sex or religious persecution. It might really just be about the oil. If that's possible, then we should consider it.

One thing that I and Byron have in common is we have been around for years, and we do not use sockpuppets. (Except, in my case, for humor.) But for suckrates, this all weaves itself into some massive Orwellian conspiracy.

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by: blues @ Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 17:39:58 PM CST

Byron's insanity is all over the internet (0.00 / 0)

He gone nuts at so many blogs. It's all out there. At MLW as American Stain. I couldn't find his original blog name there. He went absolutely crazy at Booman. His misogyny is all over the place. His calls for the destruction of Israel are out there. He's actually not fat, but he looks like some mediocre academic who probably got fired for going insane, like a Ted Kazinski (sp?) but outgoing and into liberal arts. One thread I found him spouting his misogyny. A lesbian feminist started to get into same sex relationship theories, and Byron disappeared for a while. That kind of backs up the idea that he is a latent homosexual. He truly is the historic troll. Donkeytale is Vox Humana in comparison to him. His bullshit is so prolific, that it needn't even be linked to. This blog is dead. It's full of anti-semites and dime store thinkers. It is the DavidByron Show, who may or may not be FairLeft, I no longer care. What can be known for sure is that Byron is psychotic or playing that role. All over the internet his frothings and anti-social paranoia can be located. He is a bully. He may not be fat, but I do sense bad body odor and breath. I sense a wife who submits to him. I sense no romance. I sense he is mid to late fifties. If he isn't paid disinfo, he must have inherited a bundle or saved from elsewhere or won the lottery or something to explain his ability to be on the internet so much for at least around ten years. Blues exhibits a similar demeanor but has been nowhere close to being prolific. I wouldn't mind interacting with donkeytale, doberman pinche, and even Vox, but other than them, the rest of this place is pure white trash and mediocre minds full of hate.  

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by: socrates @ Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 18:46:46 PM CST

Personalization (4.67 / 3)

You know when you get into people personalities it's really pointless.

People have different viewpoints and they are called insane depending on how much it differs from where another person stands.

What's really insane is America politically and in general. It's a nation that is killing for profit....that's not only more interesting, it's more relevant than who got banned, who said this to who and so on.  

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by: Stu Piddy @ Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 19:18:38 PM CST

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No response to my criticism then? (4.00 / 1)

My comment above showing how your positions are anti-Left?  Nothing to say for yourself socrates?

He may not be fat, but I do sense bad body odor and breath.

And yet you say I am not British!

I sense no romance. I sense he is mid to late fifties.

What numbers do you have for the national lottery?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 21:36:38 PM CST

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You're a bully who deserves having been isolated and ignored (1.50 / 2)

You're a sophist. You have shown no ability to be a human being except for brief periods of time. There's a very good reason you are ignored by masses of people. You are a big name on the internet, but for all the wrong reasons. You are like that dude Kathaksung. The name is known as one to be avoided. The hundreds of places that banned you did so with good reason. There is just so much abuse real people are willing to take before they take out cyber restraining orders. It's called ignore, numbnuts.    

You're a sadistic waste of time. You are nowhere near being a lefty peacenik. You call for the destruction of Israel. You are a misogynist. You also eventually sooner rather than later go Lauren S style. You're a sadist. She doesn't have your sophistry skills. That's the big difference. You're pro-Palin over Obama. You are a latent homosexual. You have so many issues to work out. You are like MSOC, putting your mental illness on display for the whole world to see. You're on ignore. I don't interact with nasty, insane people more than I have to. The only people who will buy your logic that I have right wing views are the fake lefties. You're good cop bad cop all in one.

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by: socrates @ Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 15:19:02 PM CST

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And all the sites who banned you (0.00 / 0)

just didn't recognize your brilliance.  Mwahahahahahahaha.

You aren't good cop or bad cop - you are retarded cop.

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by: sock rat @ Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 15:44:20 PM CST

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this "retard" (0.00 / 0)

is kicking your ass in the debate you ran from.  You're ass is being kicked by a retard socrates.  All I did was throw down two paragraphs in two minutes and apparently you can't even begin to defend your positions.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 18:27:01 PM CST

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You've been borderline for a long time now. That statement crosses the line IMO. (0.00 / 0)

You're anti-gay aren't you socrates?

You're pro-Palin over Obama. You are a latent homosexual. You have so many issues to work out. You are like MSOC, putting your mental illness on display for the whole world to see.

To you being gay is an "issue you have to work out" and a "mental illness".  That's pretty fucked up of you.  Either that's what you meant or in the alternative you don't really think I am gay but do think that calling me gay is a big funny insult.

Either way comes to the same.

You got some serious shit to sort out in your life mate.


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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by: DavidByron @ Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 18:23:19 PM CST

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"Linked To" "Willis Carto"??? (3.00 / 1)

I never heard of this guy. Some sort of Nazi or whatever?

Just to clarify, I am offended by things like the Freemasons and B'nai Brith - they seem to operate like the Hell's Angels. The low level community members help old ladies cross the street, while the kingpins pursue darker ends.

Being Jewish is about like being Catholic; you have to carry a lot of high-maintenance psychic baggage. But if it suits you, fine; I don't care.

I'm a Free Thinker. I think it's easier. However others choose to define themselves doesn't matter to me. I don't care about the "left/ right" narratives either. They are mind traps. I am an individual, not a joiner.

Suckrates is merely here to disrupt the conversation. Digging up things from five years ago, sans context. Is it really worth all this effort to try and discredit me? What an idiot. I only read about 10% of his drivel.

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by: blues @ Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 01:34:14 AM CST