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Sorry Israel, no Iran war or crippling sanctions 4U

by: fairleft

Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 13:40:44 PM EST


I've said a few times in comments recently that I'm pretty optimistic, from my antiwar and similar perspective, on the Iran and sanctions issue. The reasons are various, but centered on the analysis of India career diplomat M K Bhadrakumar, who also believes the sanctions effort will fail. More on those ideas a couple paragraphs down.

As for my perspective, first of all, not that it's stopped the U.S. before but there is pretty much zero justification for U.S. saber-rattling, as indicated by the mundane headlines (i.e., Iran vows to stick with low-level nuclear enrichment) only two days after the three imperials (Obama, Sarkozy, Brown) news conference about a 'secret' low-grade nuclear 'facility' that was neither secret nor a facility, since it won't be a functioning one till construction ends 18 months from now. This is weak soup for crippling sanctions, naval blockades, and worse. Today, even weaker stuff, 'IRAN TESTS (short-range) MISSILES! Oh my gawd y-a-w-n, weak stuff for scaring us up and dealing death.

Secondly, and Bhadrakumar's analysis is critical here, despite Beltway pundits fishing for wish fulfillment, both China (emphatically) and Russia oppose sanctions on Iran. And this time the U.S. needs international cover, imho, or its 'X must prove it doesn't have WMD' campaign (Hillary Clinton) won't have the outcome (severe sanctions and an attack on Iran's nuclear power facilities) desired by the U.S. & Israeli military-industrial complexes.

Bhadrakumar makes three major points in Moscow holds the line on Iran sanctions:

fairleft :: Sorry Israel, no Iran war or crippling sanctions 4U
1. Russia's Medvedev has not meaningfully shifted from his pre-missile-radar-removal stance on sanctions:

The big question, therefore, is whether Medvedev's remark that "in some cases sanctions are inevitable" represents a policy shift by Moscow. Has Obama "wrung a concession" from Medvedev to consider tough new sanctions against Iran - to use the words of New York Times' Helene Cooper? . . .

Surely, there is no tectonic shift in the Russian position on Iran. Arguably, there is nothing new in what Medvedev said in New York. He said much the same in a meeting with the West's Russia experts a month ago [and also in a Russian proposal September 9; sanctions have always been on the table as a very last resort]; he then explained it at some length in the CNN interview.

Bhadrakumar's perspective was confirmed yesterday by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in another nicely headlined article, Russia Urges Restraint Over Iran Nuclear News:

Lavrov . . . questioned assumptions that Tehran was hiding anything and accused Western governments of withholding knowledge of a second Iranian uranium-enrichment plant.

"As far as I understand there's no clarity regarding the legal aspects of this situation," Lavrov said. "I don't want to go into legalistic analysis -- it has to be provided by IAEA -- but don't forget that Iran did notify the agency about its intentions, about its plans to construct a new facility, and we are convinced that whatever is being constructed under the Iranian nuclear program must be brought under the monitoring of IAEA."

Lavrov's statements appeared aimed at easing pressure on Moscow to take a tougher line against Iran when the UN Security Council's veto-wielding members meet next week . . .

2. China, likely coordinating its stance with Russia, continues to strongly oppose sanctions.

"We always believe that sanctions and pressure are not the way out. At present, it is not conducive to diplomatic efforts," Jiang [Yu, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson] said at a briefing in Beijing on Thursday.

Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi also repeated Beijing's stance that the issue of Iran's nuclear program was best resolved peacefully through dialogue. Given the close coordination by Moscow and Beijing on major international issues, China wouldn't have spoken out of turn.

3. The anti-nuclear proliferation resolution already shows the sanctioneering imperialists fail versus Russia and China:

In the final analysis, the new UN Security Council resolution passed on Thursday calling for an end to nuclear proliferation did not name Iran - despite robust canvassing by the US and Britain - and that was because Russia and China wouldn't allow that to happen. Also, the resolution stopped well short of authorizing forced inspections of countries believed to be developing weapons.

Where would no meaningful sanctions on Iran plus the U.S. pull back on missile and radar facilities in Eastern Europe leave the world? In a more peaceful, common-sense place, a place where the military option is considerably more off the table than it was a few months ago.

Could it be that St. Barack has hoped for exactly the coming scenario to transpire, and that in a couple weeks he will report to AIPAC and Israel that "I tried my best, but Russia and China blocked me. Please don't cut off the campaign contributions, nothing could be done! But yeah, sorry we couldn't get your war on. Peace."

Nahhhh.

P.S. -- In looking for Bhadrakumar stuff, found this essential atimes article: Fabrication of anti-Iran nuclear 'evidence' covered up. Here's an excerpt:

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says its present objective regarding Iran is to try to determine whether the intelligence documents purportedly showing a covert Iranian nuclear weapons program from 2001 to 2003 are authentic or not. The problem, according to its reports, is that Iran refuses to help clarify the issue.

But the IAEA has refused to acknowledge publicly significant evidence brought to its attention by Iran that the documents were fabricated, and has made little, if any, effort to test the authenticity of the intelligence documents or to question officials of the governments holding them, Inter Press Service (IPS) has learned.

[For example,] Iran has submitted serious evidence that the documents are fraudulent. Iran's permanent representative to the United Nations in Vienna, Ambassador Ali Asghar Soltanieh, told IPS. He said he had pointed out to a team of IAEA officials in a meeting on the documents in Tehran in early 2008 that none of the supposedly top-secret military documents had any security markings of any kind, and that purported letters from Defense Ministry officials lacked Iranian government seals.

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Surely you mean no * further * crippling sanctions (4.00 / 1)
as the US has had sanctions on Iran in changing forms since their revolution. Some assets even remain frozen from that time. And none of the Bush era sanctions have been eased a bit.

So what sort of mythical sanctions do you think they have in mind? Or do they, even, at all? What else could they do that the rest of the world would play along with? It's beginning to look as ridiculous as our stance on Cuba. And it feels like the mythical threat of 'harsher' sanctions we gave to Iraq which was preempted by our need to shock and awe the fuck out of them.


Sanctions on oil imports is the crippling sanction the U.S. is thinking of (4.00 / 1)
I know the present sanctions are severe, but I'm not sure if you'd call them crippling, though definitely they have damaged and held back Iran's economy. But Iran is not dependent on business with the U.S., there is not unanimity on the sanctions, and its land borders are impossible to quarantine. When I think crippling I think what the U.S. and so on did to Iraq after the first gulf war.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Oh no doubt, nowhere near Iraq-level (4.00 / 1)
but it's not just oil it's also the prohibition of any collaboration with US scientists, the international banking rules, etc. It also goes way beyond the Boeing parts fiasco, or Iranian airliners falling out of the sky every few months to basic essentials costing way more than they should to the average Iranian. Estimates exist that if these sanctions alone were lifted the Iranian economy would do 25-50% better. With a newly vibrant economy there'd no longer be a way to blame the 'mullahs'(lol) for all of Iran's troubles. And of course Iran's only counterargument to such venomous propaganda; 'we need cheap nuclear power' would have much less bite - if the the US really were concerned with such things and not actively setting up exactly that sort of trap.

So the sanctions we've imposed have in a sense already trapped Iran into our nuclear standoff narrative. Now we're just the cat, torturing the half-dead mouse. With plague. This is why I find this posturing towards 'new' sanctions so ridiculously transparent. Because we all know it's not really about nukes or nuclear power, but Iranian sovereignty. WWIII's gonna be a real bitch of a dark age. Sorry for rambling.


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No, I'm optimistic because Iran is the wedge thru which a multipolar world (4.00 / 1)
rises. Obama retreats vis a vis Russia, hoping Russia will help him fuck over Iran. Russia doesn't 'come through'. Obama is left with rising world power Russia, a surviving and rising regional power and world oil power Iran (working hand in hand with best friend oil superstar Iraq), and the inexorable China. All three for whatever stupid, U.S./Israeli military-industrial complex 'reason' not allowed to be junior comrades in the U.S. empire.

So there's your multipolar world, one Obama can't prevent, a bridge too far for a country right now and for the next several years maxed out financially and militarily.

We'll see, I believe this is the beginning of 'the big changeover', so it's hard to see. It will soon be a less openly warring world, since the rising world powers will make Afghan/Iraq-style naked invasions too costly for the U.S. And in ten years it will be China's world, and I just don't see them as militaristic, they'll want to do world dominance through trade and economic power, more like post WWII Japan than post-WWII U.S.

IMHO, nobody rilly knows.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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Forgot to say...about the oil sanctions (0.00 / 0)
just because we haven't drawn up formal sanctions doesn't mean the global oil market and Iran's economy aren't effected by the other stuff. We don't even really need to formally address the issue, that's why I think these threats are purely for propaganda value. There can't be much more we could do, unless the rest of the world agreed, and they won't of course. Sorry again if I'm repeating myself, I need to go ta bed. >X-(

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Queen Noor, "humanitarian" (0.00 / 0)
Talking about nuclear disarmament.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Without ever mentioning the NPT.  How do you manage that?  Some one reading her piece might imagine that this "summit" crap was actually binding -- as the NPT is, and has been for decades.

Nothing more than Obama in search of good PR without any cost.  But why does she go along with that shit?  She even pretends that nuclear weapons in the Cold War were some kind of force for stabilisation.  In reality they many time came very close to destroying everything.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Obama: always polite to US enemies? (0.00 / 0)
Al-Zawahri reserved special scorn for Obama, whom he has insulted in nearly every one of his messages since the latter's historic election as U.S. president.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

You read this and you think, well I do, so has Obama always refused to "insult" his enemies?  What is this pathetic Miss Manners comment doing there?  As I recall it, Obama even insults his own base.  Not that the statements by Al-Zawiri seemed insulting to me anyway.  I mean Obama is a fraud, he is a criminal etc.  At a minimum he's far worse than those things.  And you could hardly not mention that stuff.

It seem rather weak too, to make out that the reason these guys are bad guys is that they insult "our president".  I guess no free speech there.  What a royalist piece of propaganda.  "And they insulted Obama too!"

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


'Kirk, you ignorant moron!' (0.00 / 0)
Great looking girl dismantles, squishes, squnches creationist Kirk Cameron:

Found at thewildwildleft.soapblox.net.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Good (and optimistic from my pt of view) analysis here: (0.00 / 0)
emphasis in orginal:

Fellow-blogger Joe Cirincione has pointed out here the strategically correct approach adopted by the Obama Administration, namely to keep confidential all new intelligence information on Iranian activities until bargaining time. Regrettably, last week, tactical considerations got priority when Obama, Brown and Sarkozy went public frenetically with the short-term hope to enlist Russian and Chinese support for subsequent stringent sanctions. Illusion. The Russians will continue to play double games. As [its] only ally, they keep the Iranians on a short political leash, while extorting horrendous prices for the nuclear fuel services they provide. In a broader context, the Russians will do whatever they can to foil a grand bargain between the US, Europe and Iran, a bargain that could see Iranian natural gas flowing to Europe, thereby helping Europe to reduce its dependency on Russia. As to the Chinese, they do not care; they only want Iranian gas to continue flowing their way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


Richard Cohen wishes for mass murder (0.00 / 0)
It is entirely possible that Israel, faced with that chilling cliche -- an existential threat -- will bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. What would happen next is anyone's guess -- retaliation by Hamas and Hezbollah, an unprecedented spike in oil prices and then, after a few years or less, a resumption of Iran's nuclear program. Only the United States has the capability to obliterate Tehran's underground facilities. Washington may have to act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Wishful thinking, but shows where our Beltway is at, at an all-time moral low.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep


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