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People Who Are Fair May Ask Me Questions On This Diary

by: socrates

Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 18:17:37 PM EDT


I've been reading through the various comments. Only a few people here seem to be writing in good faith. The sock puppets do appear to come from a group comprised of CometMan, Pinche Tejano, and JSR. The names that come to mind of those acting in good faith on this topic are Doberman Pinche, 4kedtongue, donkeytale, DavidByron, and perhaps Laura. If I missed out on anyone else who is playing fair, then I apologise in advance.

Most of what I see is noise. I am not gonna play this game and dilute the right woos left stuff I have posted about recently. I had a big diary ready to go yesterday, but I kept getting an error message, even though the thing was loading fine when hitting preview.

For those interested in seeing some proof of why Michael Rivero of What Really Happened is vile, please go here.

Michael Rivero Exposed As A Right Woos Left Jew Hater

If this diary goes through, then I will assume it was just a glitch yesterday preventing me from posting.

I'll try to answer all I can from what I gleaned after the brief intermission known as the fold.

socrates :: People Who Are Fair May Ask Me Questions On This Diary
To David Byron- You ask good questions. My problem with answering them directly on existing threads is that the true trolls and disruptors are not allowing the free flow of ideas between sincere individuals. Have you any comment on how the "phishing" warning should not have included reference to fastmail.fm?

Many nuggets of insight get lost in the mountain of troll spam. I believe in free speech zones. Yet, I agree with you that heckling shouldn't be allowed. Now I realise that is where some subjective interpretation comes into play, and that in regards to the Armandos and then with the KosKops/UGOGs, it becomes a matter of no chance of there being fairness. I've seen this at many places. Individuals are baited. Rules are not evenly applied. People end up unfairly banned.

Before this turns into a total digression, I will get back to the questions. Nonetheless, I do not want the nuggets to be revealed and then forgotten. I do see that folks have taken a look at the emails that JSR left out. He did make it seem that a real student had his email account hacked. I was confused. I admit I was wrong to a degree in outing what had already been outed. But the record is that JSR turned me into the latest scapegoat. I do not trust Vox Humana. I do not care about attempts by FSZ to reconcile with anyone, including yourself. I find it fishy. Yes, I find that posters like Vox Humana, Hidden Comment, and all these socks of socks do not add up.

My being Jeff Reynolds at Debate Both Sides was never in question, never hidden. None of my usernames have ever been hidden. Within the dim of all the troll spam, I have explained the outline of the back story; That fake socrates were created long before I joined DKOS as Prepostericity and then went to FSZ.

I first learned computer research skills, after my mom was diagnosed with cancer. I researched diet and treatments. I learned a lot about stuff like alkaline versus acidity. She died in 2006. That's when I decided to become a major chemtrail poster. I became a big one, so to speak. Eventually, however, I started to see how a convoluted script had been formed between crazy believers and closed-minded debunkers. I just wanted the truth, no matter what it turned out to be. You can check out my chemtrails are not kooky section at my humble forum for that aspect. The top section called Frankensteinian Atmospheric Shenanigans deals strictly with trying to get to the bottom of why so many white-outs are forming due to aircraft emissions.

Things took a turn for the worse, after myself and a person from Taiwan, may41970, started to look into the work of someone named Will Thomas. We ended up having big time problems with a story called Deep Sky. One person at the center of that made me an offer at Chemtrail Central. He said if I backed off, then he wouldn't, to paraphrase, fuck with me. I said no.

The guy from Taiwan was posting at the Michael Rivero forum. In the middle of 2007, he noticed a "cointelpro-like" post made by someone named Ender, a different one than the guy who has posted at DKos and FSZ. You wouldn't believe the amount of anti-Jewish rhetoric coming out of that place. I took it a step further and researched Michael Rivero. Then a convoluted cybersmear started to form out of both the "Unofficial" WRH forum and Chemtrail Central. I was smeared as being all these different people, such as the Taiwan guy, May41970. They said I was having fake conversations with my sock puppets. This thing with Donkeytale being said to be myself is nothing new to me. It's outrageous, and there's really no way for me to respond other than to deny. Laura can vouch that I am from Massachusetts and Donkeytale is from Texas, but then the others start talking up how ip's can be spoofed and whatnot.

Ok, so you see, at some point I got good at saving pages and taking screenshots. You can look or scroll through my various stuff in the chemtrails are not kooky and astroturfing sections and see that my goal has not been to out "regular guys." I have simply been able to shuffle through open source information to not only prove that a sophisticated cybersmear script was put up against me and a few others, but I was able to go after public figures and ask penetrating questions.

I am not a stalker. I am not violent. Even if my real name was known, there is nothing, not one bit on the internet, having to do with myself. I emailed the Hofstra student, because I had good reason to believe that his identity had been stolen. Have you seen the new screenshots I put up where MBNYC wrote JSR an email to his college address two days before JSR outed himself? Little things like that I do not want lost in the shuffle of the troll noise. Or what about the phishing message coming from fastmail.fm?

JSR wrote to me from his fastmail.fm address telling me his name wasn't Jason and that I should break the story myself. "Jeff Mersica" led me on to believe that his Hofstra email account had been hacked. Why didn't JSR simply tell me the truth and ask for me to put a lid on it? I would have. That is where the mitigating word you used comes into play. Sure, I apologise to an extent. Yet, with all the smears JSR has put on me, for all the documented lies he has made, well, there are some more of those mitigating circumstances for ya.

I found the college email address, only because of JSR's confirmation that he had confronted Ashcroft with the arrest thingie. Try it yourself. Put in some keywords. The article outing the name is right there easy to find. Even Lauren S told him he should delete their exchange. She said even the little bits of info outed who he is. He didn't delete that. If he had, none of this would be going on. Condo didn't out JSR. JSR outed himself. If the exchange between himself and Lauren S had been deleted, then what Condo posted would have been worthless.

So I had the name. JSR confirmed with his own words it was him. I then searched and found out he had been a student senator. Then through yahoo I found a cached page which included the email address. It had a list of various students from all over the country involved with a student activist group, whose name I forget for the moment.

How did Michael Bouldin get that address? That's what doesn't add up. By a "who is" search? A whois ip and domain search?

I do not phish or harvest ip's. I have no idea about any signature line with a link being used to harvest ip's. There is an internet friend of mine from Utah, one of the few chemmies I have bonded with, who has put my forum link into some posts of his. Yet, I haven't seen the accusers mention that. Unbelievably, the cybersmearers started to try to make it seem that myself and Lophofo are the same person. I can find that info for anyone who is interested.

There was a way that Lophofo was able to see ip's. He has a solid thread at my forum on HAARP. He put up many images. He has the ability to see who is downloading those and how often. One thing he noticed was how often certain domains were doing so. The usual culprits such as yahoo and google were showing up. But also a military ip out of Ohio was also. That is the kind of lurker who I find interesting to know about. I could care less about ip's, unless they lead to such institutions.

I'm not sure if I answered all your questions. I am an open book, and anyone can check out my posts, whether at my forum, at DBS, Democratic Underground, or other places where I have always made it known that was me.

I refuse to respond to verbal abuse or disingenuous debate. That is one thing I have tried to avoid over the years. Easier said than done. Myself, you, donkeytale, and noom {regular guy} were in no way disruptive to FSZ. The record, or what's left of it after all the scrubbing, shows that we were trolled on with the rubber stamp of JSR. You refer to it as heckling. I call it state-sponsored trolling.

If I ran a place like this, I would delete and ban the trolling for it being the spam that it is. In the UGOG files, when Alec82 showed up to confront them, there was an interesting post made by MBNYC. He said that Peeder's vision of a forum was intriguing or something to that effect. Pinche Tejano has not denied having said he met with Bouldin, and that he's a nice guy. I do not think it is outside the realm of possibility that FSZ was rigged from the get go. It does appear to want to be seen as the underground rebel website taking on DKos. It now appears to want to drive me off of this website. It does seem to be generating a lot of noise concerning yours truly.

I have never outed myself. There are no pictures of me on the internet. I have never hidden who I have been at various forums. If the biggest complaint against me is that I have not stuck to one username, I admit it. But I've never used sock puppets. Or as with how 4kedtongue has done it, I always have admitted to it soon enough, such as with M&NYC at FSZ or as Jeff Reynolds at DBS. I don't use more than one username at a time and have fake conversations or whatnot.    

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ok (2.00 / 3)
very good. i hope this is over now.

ps i do have some questions but they are regarding the alkaline/acidity thing so maybe another time.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory


How do you look in a bikini? (0.00 / 0)
Do you wax?

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Someone's imitating me again!! (3.00 / 2)
Oh look-- they got the sociopath / stalker thing right this time :)

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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thread is now full of spam (1.00 / 2)
too bad.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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Ah, did someone open a new animal exhibit without asking? (0.00 / 0)


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i guess so (0.00 / 0)
but it's not really that interesting.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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Can't be all a white dudes dating asians, you know. (0.00 / 0)


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could you please speak english (0.00 / 0)
i doubt most of these new posters are dating anybody.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
well, maybe they aren't gay? (0.00 / 0)


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Are you attempting to create plausible deniability? (0.00 / 0)
[:o)

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Get the fuck out of Texas (0.00 / 0)
You're a disgrace

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yeah, and what's up (5.00 / 1)
with that eating barbequed armadillo, shit? Seriously. You Tejanos never heard of shickin?

"May we live long and die out"

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not for nothing (3.60 / 5)
and with due respect, but socrates has practiced his own form of spamming too. This isn't cool anymore than his was, but you know, it kinda has to go with the territory. Him skedaddling outta here when he shows little restraint going after so many people doesn't shine a pretty light on him. He needs to man up and take as good as he gives.

He's accused everyone here, save for maybe you, of some sort of nefarious shit that you know isn't true. Hey, it's all within the rules. But when the tables are turned that needs to be understood for what it is as well.

Now these little shit's picking on you is a different story ;o) Then again, I have a feeling it's another of the desperate for any action crew from Jack's place anyway.

"May we live long and die out"


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oh supersoling (2.25 / 4)
i don't mind them picking on me, so don't worry about that. i was just hoping that "socrates", as a topic, would be closed for at least a little while.

i'm already on record as stating that i don't care what he types on sites i don't read so none of this stuff means anything to me anyway.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory


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Dear sir supersoling..... (3.00 / 2)
this is an uncontrollable force that has been summoned and will attack both good and bad with no morals or remorse.

You have attacked one of our elders who tried hiding from us until a wise and philosophical pedophile from CA forced him to let his identity be known.

Fight Club was and always has been his online persona.

He was the first to claim "Tyler Durden" on AOL and by no fault of his own was dragged into our world for getting such attention.

A punter revealed his real name back then, he ish legend and teh sexiest of teh elders!!!!!!!!

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I'll be losing a lot of sleep over this for sure (3.50 / 4)
zzzzzzzzz

"May we live long and die out"

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i just gave you a five! (2.50 / 2)
hehe

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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I can only give a 4 in return (3.75 / 4)
to do otherwise could diminish my holiness :oP

"May we live long and die out"

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Yes (3.67 / 3)
Do not abuse the '5' rating. 'She' will know.

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ok (4.50 / 2)
4 then

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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you mean my goddamned Mom??!! (5.00 / 3)
quick, everyone downrate, downrate!!

"May we live long and die out"

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Question (4.00 / 2)
Where do you find the cahones complain about being tricked by jack after you have bashed him for months and went looking for his personal info?

....I guess he is not leaving. Must be the reason he has been banned (0.00 / 0)
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Are you saying Ender made anti-semetic remarks? (0.00 / 0)
Links, plz, this I gotta see.

RIF (3.50 / 2)
Ender, a different one than the guy who has posted at DKos and FSZ.


The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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:) (4.00 / 1)
:)

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

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Sorry, reading his bullshit is like reading Sabrina (4.00 / 1)
You know it's good, but damn if it aint long winded.


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lol (4.00 / 1)
now you're onto something :)

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!


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We demand (4.00 / 3)
to be allowed to put on a better puppetshow!
C'mon, let us all out of the drawer at once.
We just want to unravel a bit and let our cuffs down.
Aspie and leper socks 2g3th3r 43v3r!  

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

state-sponsored trolling (4.00 / 1)
Like you do for Lockhead Martin on the chemtrail boards?

why do you think he works (3.00 / 1)
for Lockheed Martin? is there a link to some place where he says he does?

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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it's out there. (0.00 / 0)
Poor neo-con crusher is gonna be so upset we had an apologist for Lockhead on FSZ!

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please give me the link (3.00 / 1)
to where he says this.  

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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No, but this is funny. (0.00 / 0)
I guess he was drunk or something, this is the worst display of puppet control ever:

http://www.debatebothsides.com...

Come on Jeff, you keep your socks in different browsers so this shit doesn't happen and total blows your lies about how many socks you have.

Jesus, I know you are new to the internetz, but this is damn sloppy.


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i'm not sure what i'm supposed to be looking for (3.00 / 1)
and i can assure you i will not reading that entire thread.

i'm more concerned with the lockheed martin accusation, because i fear you're getting your information from dubious sources. plus, i know you're like 50 paces behind on this whole thing which is actually to your credit.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory


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meh, but I can make meta spiders and they do all the work. (0.00 / 0)
One of the funniest things is Socrates's meta war with weatherman714, and then socrates steals his content to populate his board.

Funny stuff Jeff!  


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Ha, the dumb ass only recently learned how to spoof IPs. (0.00 / 0)
I got email markers showing him on the west coast then all of the sudden he's on the east coast.

Poor fella, didn't realize when things get Sunny, there is no Vale to protect his ip markers.


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"different browsers" (4.00 / 1)
Yep.  As I keep telling my wife, "that's why people invented Opera".  And she still forgets sometimes.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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The earliest reference to Lockheed that I find is... (4.00 / 3)
Here in a 2007 DBS post by "Lou":

His email not so strangely enough traces back to a CORPORATE source within a large West coast city that is home to the DoD contractor Lockheed Martin Corporation. ( IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE, Hmmm?)

The fuller thread appears to me to show an episode in a running feud between Socrates and Lou.  Socrates seems to have obtained Lou's IP and posted elsewhere about it earlier.  In this DBS thread, he threatens to sue Lou and pours out bons mots, like:

It was a fluke that I found your ip address in the first place. Maybe you should book some air tickets for Argentina, you disgusting, fascist, ugly pig.

You were exposed by a nobody. You should start worrying about making the front news pages. You should worry about your superiors perhaps thinking it would be best if you weren't around.



"I dont just discuss Meta, I create meta." - donkeytale


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It's epic, isn't? (4.00 / 3)
I thought I'd have to add qualifers, because "jeff" "socrates" and "near boston" would be to generic.

Lord have mercy if our little Socrates hasnt burned a Sherman's path across the internets.


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Indeed - an awesome body of dreadful work (4.00 / 5)
And there's a choreography to it.  A kaleidoscopic Busby Berkeley horde turned loose in tap shoes in the middle of a Coen Bros. flick.

"I dont just discuss Meta, I create meta." - donkeytale

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Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
I am almost envious, I mean wow.

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I think he is: (4.00 / 1)
DAVID SHAMAH wrote:


   That's how I felt when I prepared this column. I've been turning over rocks around the Internet, trying to dig up dirt on some of the most prolific anti-Israel and anti-Jewish writers out there.

   You may not be aware of it, but there's a burgeoning mini-industry on the Internet, consisting of blogs that truck in the most despicable anti-Jewish lies out there.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S...

DAVID SHAMAH  ....sound familiar?

Did you read my diary? It's all about shutting down anyone supporting human rights for Palestinians,

http://www.progressiveindepend...


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ok so (2.00 / 4)
no proof/evidence. just as i thought.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

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How do you look in a bikini? (3.00 / 2)


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FastMail.FM (4.00 / 1)
is just the web site of the 3rd party spam filter folks that presumably the university gets to clean their email for them.  So the message is completely standard and indicates nothing of interest.

http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/fa...

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.


Hofstra uses GMail, Not FastMail.fm (2.50 / 2)
http://www.hofstra.edu/Student...

I also find it curious that you have no comment about JSR leaving out the emails which he did. That's called stacking the cards.

As for the different browser, I haven't a clue what you're talking about. The trolls here are spamming cybersmears, stuff I've never run from, since as Doberman Pinche puts it, they appear to be from dubious sources.    

I'm curious how a yahoo email account can be traced to Lockheed Martin. I can guarantee that such claims make me look to be the honest person in all this.

Pinche Tejano didn't dispute one thing mentioned in my diary about himself, yet here he is flooding this diary with spam. One of the links he gives is hard to read, for when someone is quoted, there is no way to tell it was from another post. That's how it is with DBS threads in print version.

There is zero evidence that I have used sock puppets or work for the military. On the contrary, there is plenty of proof that I have been cybersmeared, and it is continuing here the last few days, because these loooosers can't be satisfied with only ruining FSZ. Tejano isn't even bothering to provide links for the most part, so as to help the reader decide for themselves. He, like DeeDogg, is merely copying and pasting a lot from my cyberstalker.

The thing about 19 sock puppets according to Tinoire of Progressive Independent? Check her out, and you'll find she is tied to the hips of Michael Rivero, Jeff Wells, Wayne Madsen, and Desert Peace whoever. Dude, I hit a raw nerve in these people of a flopping sweat variety, same as which is going on recently. This accounts for the spamming strategy.

As for my comment about not using proxies, that is true for my posts here, at FSZ, MLW, DKos, and most of the time. I have used them before but not often. I used one, e.g., at the herb allure forum, because the webmaster was posting ip's, and I had only gone there in order to put a spotlight on a fake socrates' post and not to share my ip address.

Tinoire professes to be left of center with an emphasis on covering I/P issues. No problem there, but it doesn't add up that she plugs for Ron Paul and Michael Rivero. Who else fits that right woos left personality model? That would be Pinche Tejano and Mattes.  

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Those are my questions, not spam. (4.00 / 2)
Dude, on countless boards you have sock puppets and admit you use proxies to avoid IP banning.

I mean, people on 4chan are going ape shit over your epic trolling.

You sir, are now an internet legend.


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We just knew there would be (4.00 / 2)
some people very interested in socky once the rebels got the drawer levered open!

We did it for the lulz.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!


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Only lulz. (0.00 / 0)

Btw, how come tracert keeps changing on this socrates guy?


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It's a trap! (0.00 / 0)

To the black hats! Only the black hats can save us now!


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Give Socrates the hemlock please! (0.00 / 0)

And so it is written, and so it is done.


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Your doing just fine, dude. PT has zero credibility. Never has. Let him spam on. Its greatness! (2.67 / 3)
All yours!

Mixed with desperation....all theirs.

And the site hitz just keep on coming.....all PFFs!


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S00n U w1ll h4ve m0 h1tz (4.00 / 2)
than U kn0w wut 2 do with, sugarcheekz! C0ngr4tz!

Sumtim3z dr34ams d0 cum tru3!

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!


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Well, socrates should have fun with these guys. (4.00 / 1)
I can't wait tell he calls the btards disinfo hacks.

That's when the crying will start.

Want some advice socrates? Ignore them like I will be ignoring you.


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"disinfo hacks" (4.00 / 1)
ho boah! I lurvs lulz.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

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Ain't you got a Brazoria Bobelot to wrassle (3.50 / 2)
out of it's pelt, using only your bare teef, or something? A true son of sam wouldn't be wasting time this way, dude.

"May we live long and die out"

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Meh, I had to come see that meta ho down. (0.00 / 0)
See you around unless you come by FSZ.

Have fun being in Doberman's zoo.


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GMail / FastMail (0.00 / 0)
They don't do the same thing so you could, and apparently they do, use both.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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socrates (0.00 / 0)
socrates is a perfect strawman for socrates. But whose idea was it to make this guy out to be some Albert Einstein selling billion dollar weather secrets to China and Russia. I find it strange that socrates seems to have blogged on Japanese mafia weather wars. I mean, the fake believer really makes it seem that socrates and socrates make a strong case against tinfoil. But I'll say if socrates is out there or any other scientist etc., it would be nice to hear from you. I would not be scared of your answers. I figure most of you would say who knows, this could definitely be going on, some type of aerosol operation, too bad you chemmies can't present your best evidence.

Remember the fake pilot psy-op. Oh yeah, I'm a real pilot, nothing strange going on, in fact, nothing to see here, move along. That's why there is the internet fake infiltrations. There's nothing like reading posts from real people. "They" don't want that to happen.

I see chemtrail belief reaching 50% at some point despite the internet antics. When one pushes aside the tinfoil bullshit one finds over at Chemtrail Central, they will read enough patents, studies, seen videos and photographs, they'll see it themselves, they'll at least take the Dewey route, and be openminded about it. I bet Travis has a feeling that chemtrails are real. He just doesn't know how to go about it. It is easier for him to be in denial, or he just hasn't witnessed them himself, and then when he goes to chemtrail forums, all he finds is tabloid bullshit like weatherwizard over there.
http://debatebothsides.com/sho...


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Your post about Rivero at DFQ2 kicked out here because it was too long (2.25 / 4)
I would consider editing it down with real links so people can check out Rivero's dubious activities on their own. You can also show that Mattes linked to him on her sig line. She is a master "Craftsman" without a doubt. Jack has assembled a regular socket set over there.

Otherwise, what else can be said? Another great day for the REAL Sock Rat, pwning the FSZ troll brigade without breaking a sweat, enticing them to add several hundred additional comments to PFF, while at the same time, FSZ, uh, gets zilch unless they are writing about YOU!

Jack tells us all to fuck off and the thread expands to nearly 150 comments and counting, most all of them debunking Depudeedogg's and Jack's typically malnourished "thot" processes.

Meanwhile back at the un-FSZ, Jacks own dairy up all day at the top of the FP, praising the "great cybersleuthing" of the menatlly challenged depudeedog gets exactly 9 comments, with of course all or most all nothing but typikkkal Larry S ass smooching kkkrap, depudeedogg taking a bow (RIOTOUS!) and the usuall Jay Emerson whine fest.

He's really a cool dude, actually. It just doesnt show online. No really!

This is why I love the Whiteysphere.


"This is why I love the Whiteysphere" (0.00 / 0)
New catchphrase?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Give him a break, he's just now reading Donkeytail's stuff to immulate him. (3.00 / 2)
I think he finally realized Bet On It was someone else's catch phrase.

It's hard to base a character off cache files.


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Been using it for years, dude. (4.00 / 2)
And its true....I do love the whiteysphere, especially the way it pwns itslef.  

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Thanks donkeytale (2.00 / 3)
It must have been an outrageous surprise to take a few days off and return to this. They took your observation up a couple hundred notches. Now it is all about me, all the time.

I really am trying to respond without breaking a sweat. We are definitely on enemy turf again. They are obviously trying to ruin this forum or have it become an appendage of FSZ.

When I can, I'll whittle down that post for a diary. I've actually already shown how Mattes was linking to Mike Rivero. I found that through the cache. I don't believe that is even in doubt, as "she" makes no claims otherwise. Funny how she keeps double posting. Pinche Tejano did that also. And now I see that Mattes spelled his name as Rivera. Rioticity.

You may be interested in googling a dude named Curtis Maynard. Rivero has posted his stuff. He is as racist as Hal Turner.

I'm definitely not shadowthief.

I'm starting to see how your theory that they are useful idiots could be the answer. There's no way to know for sure, is there? I just checked out The Authoritarians. That could explain their brownshirt status. I think they are paid to post, though I admit it is impossible to prove. At a minimum, they are clearly trolls.

I scroll through most of their stuff. They are making these threads unreadable. This is what I mean by this is now enemy turf.

How much stuff can they spam which proves nothing? Am I Mossad or Lockheed Martin? Am I a troll in the basement or some disinfo computer whiz? How can they possibly keep saying that we are the same person? Why should we be bothered to reply to their unsubstantiated claims? Anyone can read through my blogging and see that I am consistent. It may not be their cup of tea. But I dare anyone to find anything I've written that is pro-Republican. I guess because some asshat out of Australia said it once, it must be true?

I actually don't mind conservatives, if they are nice people and play fair.  

The truth is revealed about Michael Rivero and Willis Carto and how his right wing neonazi ideology is sprinkled onto "progressive" blogs, yet we are the story. I think they are going the spamming route to:

*** turn-off lurkers
*** bury the nuggets
*** control freedom of speech and association

We had a good thing going at DFQ's, so they ruined it. When we succeeded at our various times at FSZ, we got banned. We and others were doing well here, so they have decided to ruin this place too.


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[ Parent ]
You brought us here big guy. You are now legend too! (4.00 / 2)

Agreed, Dairy Fucking Queen is a good thing.


[ Parent ]
Well, the startegy isnt working if they think they can make this place an appendage (2.25 / 4)
of FSZ by appending themselves to PFF.

But logic has never been a whiteyspheric strong suit. So lets them append away. meanwhile FSZ resembles "desert peace" more and more every day. Nothing and nobody there. RIOTOUS! Jay EMerson makes his initial mark as an adult by killing the web site he inherited and driving off all the traffic. Thatll look really good on his resume.

You give peeps like Mattes way too much credit suggesting they are paid. Shes an inanmimate object. You dont pay yur monkey wrench. True, they appear to be as incompetent as the Feds but dont let appearances fool you. If these are the Feds, they are FEMA doing Katrina Feds.

The Feds are way more competent than this kkklown posse.

And dude, if this enemy turf then you have given up?

Bullshit. This still rope a dope. And these dopes are already punched out. Its just Larry S. Laura already divulged Larry has like 900 socks here. You can tell by the nullity of the posts.


[ Parent ]
Oh you're familar with Desert Peace. Oh, ya, I forgot. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
I told you months ago that it was a DeeDogg world over there now (2.67 / 3)
Sad to see that I was actually right. Sadness. The dude's calling cards are all over this thread here, too. Puuuhthetical :o)

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Laura said Lauren S has tons of sock puppets? (1.00 / 1)
I missed that. Yeah, rope a dope, good analogy. But I'm not gonna make it easy for them. Gonna take your advice from days ago, to pick my spots and not sweat it. Thanks for everything. You are a good guy. I bet you used to stick up for the little guys against the bullies in high school.

If we fall out of touch, thanks for everything, and I sincerely wish you the best for standing up for true freedom of speech and association. It'd be nice if you or someone else could start one of these things, and find a away to prevent the troll spam.

Man, what if the real anonymous did come out of the woodwork? I've no problem with Ron Paul other than that he is a Republican, and I am on the opposite side of the spectrum. Paul was cool to be antiwar. But what fake fockers like Pinche, Mike Rivero/Tinoire, and that cointelpro-like forum I mentioned with the other Ender, that distortion of Ron Paul should really piss them off. I wouldn't be surprised if disinfo fockers have infiltrated that idea of the anonymous internet army. I think disinfo elements distorted Ron Paul, in essence, to make him look like a conspiracy theorist in order to push the Democratic nominee to the right.

True anonymous would stick up for me against these other guys. The trolls from FSZ are part of the power structure, imho. They are at a minimum some of the most sadistic people in the world.

This is like when Sonny Liston put that crap in Ali's eyes, and I just have to run around for a round until the stuff works its way out. Again, if I am forced to stop posting here, and it seems so, as I am unwilling to take such verbal abuse, thanks for everything. We have shown how the internet is corrupt to the core.

But in another way, not sure how you cannot see this as anything other than enemy turf. I doubt Laura is gonna ever see how trolling can be spam and then get rid of it. Laura appears to like this kind of chaos. I don't.

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[ Parent ]
Did you just accuse 4chan of being disinfo agents for cointelpro? (4.00 / 2)
That Anonymous used Ron Paul to troll the country to the right?

And now you are saying "true" anonymous, like "true Scotsman", would stick up for you?

Are you saying 4chan is your personal fucking army?

We will hound you to the ends of the internets until you answer these questions four.


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Oh shit.... (4.00 / 2)
what up?

This should bring mad lulz.

Antifa and Anonymous.

I would say it's an honor but....we're all anonymous right right?



[ Parent ]
Indeed.... (4.00 / 1)
namefaggers must die.

Anonymous 4chan says socrates pedo likes r@ygold!



[ Parent ]
I heard he puts the golden shower in r@ygold! (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Good Morning Mr. Socrates! (4.00 / 1)
Well it does seem to be a fitting handle.

Oh and I think you know that i'm not talking about his philosophical views, more like his sexual taste for the "youth". I got an e-mail through riseup.net that really bothered me.  Thus why i'm up at this ungodly hour. I wanna play.

Something tells me a lot of people are gonna want to join in on the game.

Do you wanna play?

 



[ Parent ]
Holy shit. (0.00 / 0)
Are you saying 4chan shot a load in Ali's eyes?

[ Parent ]
No he said Ron Paul shot his load in Allah's eyes. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
anonymous distorted ron paul's internet army to come in Allah's face? (0.00 / 0)
Sir, please answer for yourself.



[ Parent ]
aemoral (0.00 / 0)
biyatch

You never knew anything about chemtrails.
I had to carry your sad ass across the internet.
Still stealing my material.
Get a job.


[ Parent ]
No (4.00 / 3)
Laura already divulged Larry has like 900 socks here

And look, your parrot isn't absorbing this either.


[ Parent ]
What are you babbling on about? (0.00 / 0)

You must be, and will be, forever and ever and ever.

Until you answer for yourself, is Ron Paul a disinfo hack?


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You already know. (0.00 / 0)
I'm merely observing.

'Tis totally legal, and disease-free.


[ Parent ]
Your mind is diseased (2.00 / 3)
Have fun with your lovely venue full of so many wonderful people.

Someday you'll regret having allowed this troll spam ruin the forum. Content and context is what I'm about, not this rubbish. I'm gone. It is now clear that you have been an appendage to FSZ the whole time. Free speech my ass. Cruel anarchy is more like it.

Take care you useful idiot.

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WHY POST 50 HITLER'S?! (0.00 / 0)

Did it for the big lulz, your gramma and grampy 4saw this!

great grandparents Pictures, Images and Photos



[ Parent ]
You too, sugertits! (4.33 / 3)
Here I'll even play you out.

"Play us out?!! What does that MEAN, 'play us out'?!?"



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Oh, you are going no where. (4.00 / 2)
You are our new mascot!

Legendary Troll! Teller of Disinfo!

Without you we would have never known Ron Paul pulled us all to the right to give Allah a golden shower to the face!

MASCOT MASCOT!

See you at the next board Mascot of Trolling!

You are legend!


[ Parent ]
You make friends where ever you go: (4.00 / 1)
Poor little TROLL, you just can't stand the fact that you have been made a HUGE FOOLISH ASS of, exposed for the IDIOT that you are by trying to convince everyone that you had proof that I posted at the Brad Blog when I never have, BIG MISTAKE DILDO.

You've been swearing that my IP address was "74.75.235.182" when in fact it's really 74.75.234.55 and has been since we have had internet service here, you where so busy and caught up selling your LIES about me that I let you keep right on thinking that my IP address was that "74.75.235.182" number and you thought you really had me, didn't you Smart Guy,.........Ha,..........not quite because you're an IDIOT that can only focus on one thing, digging up anything that you think you can use to attack people_right, we get it Reynolds, really we do.

Remember months back when I asked you to put up the alleged proof that you clamed to have that I posted at the Brad Blog and you couldn't, remember how months went by and you kept railing on that I was this "Mike" or "Mike's" and others that posted at the Brad Blog yet all the while you never offered up any of you're so called proof until you started the "Joseph Smith: Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb!" thread.

Well looser, that's what I was waiting patently for all this time, waiting for you to hang yourself publicly by posting false information and you sure did that just like I knew you would, I then proved just how much of a LIAR you really are by posting my real IP address, sorry about making you look like a MORON but hey,.... you are, what can I say.

You like to say that Date / Time stamped photos don't matter but in fact they DO matter, attorney's, police, prosecutors and courts all use Date / Time stamped photos and Video as evidence all the time so I believe that you're just avoiding the fact that the photos I posted of both my IP, copy of Friedmans email and of course my own photo proving that I'm not "stitcherman" all prove beyond any doubt that you a HABITUAL LIAR.

My IP address number is 74.75.234.55, as it has been since we have had a computer in this house and that's a fact S.T Brendt can attest to as well and all you can do is say BUT,BUT, BUT, IT'S ME but your proof amounts to NOTHING, ZIP, NADA in light of our real IP address_YOU'RE QUITE THE SUCKER !

Brad Friedman's email regarding that "74.75.235.182" confirmed that I never posted at his Blog as "Mike(s)" or the "AnnAngryBitch" name you assert I posted under, Brad Friedmans email confirmed once and for all that you are a LIAR.

Friedman BANNED you because he Thinks your NUTS, I believe an opinion that is shared by many others far and wide for sure.

Another thing SMARTER THAN ME GUY, a search of the "AnnAngryBitch" name that I did post at the http://www.eschatonblog.com/ a few times under and doesn't show my IP comes back with,....Results 1 - 10 of about 104,000 for AnnAngryBitch. (0.26 seconds)

So according to how you think I must be all 104,000 of these "AnnAngryBitch's", how STUPID is that crap.

Some of the links I see have that "74.75.235.182" you have been LYING about and trying to say is our IP, to bad our IP is 74.75.234.55, that kind of throws your STUPID ATTACK on me over using the "AnnAngryBitch" name a few times at only one blog out of whack_A-What?

Like I said in prior post over you're ATTACKING BS, I don't have a copyright on that "AnnAngryBitch" name as the search on it well confirms and your continued assertions that I have posted as "AnnAngryBitch" with the "74.75.235.182" IP has been proven to be completely FALSE by myself and Brad Friedman.

Now you're free to make up yet more LIES and accusations of me being this person and that person but it amounts to the same old and tired tricks you always resort to and they always amount to the same results, making you look like the FOOL you are when you're proven to be a LIAR, you keep repeating the same behavior and expecting different results, that as we all know is a sign of an unhealthy mental obsession, some would say that your just FRIGGEN CRAZY.

Poor little TROLL, you can't find any information on me to turn into you're STALKING ATTACKS, gosh, isn't that just a shame, I guess I've just led a rather unremarkable life so there isn't much for you to find out there on me. Why on earth would I give you any of the information that you demand, who the Hell are you but a STUPID time wasting CARTOON and NO ONE that I know or know of owes you anything but a mighty middle finger.

Oh yeah_I proved you to be a LYING NO GOOD STALKING BASTARD OF A TROLL with all of your "stitcherman is Lou" 100% pure BULLSHIT which you spread through your blatant STUPIDITY trying to smear me and make me look bad_Oop's, to bad, you only made yourself look like the complete LYING ASSHOLE you are by trying that IDIOTIC crap but then you will try anything_we get it Reynolds, we really do.

People can see YOU busted for the "stitchrman is Lou" LYING BS you tried to pull off for the better part of a year here, yes, he is a determined LITTLE TROLL but that's what he is alright a LYING pathetic STALKING TROLL.

See post #134: http://www.debatebothsides.com...

I guarantee you that my neighbors could care less about what a LYING CARTOON CHARACTER like you has to say, people up here go by their real names and they expect other to do likewise, furthermore your empty threats to embarrass me to my neighbors is just that, a threat as hollow and shallow as the empty headed MORON making it, embarrassed indeed, you are the very epitome and definition of the word.

My neighbors would take one look at the LIES and GARBAGE you PUKE OUT and LAUGH at your STUPIDITY as we all do now

You STALK people, you LIE and make up all manner of fantasy BS to serve you're attacking agenda and when you're caught you discount, deflect, ignore and dismiss all the proof that shows you to be the LYING PUKE that you are but you know, everyone can see you for what you are, that's why NO ONE can stand you, that's why your forum is a NOTHING DEADZONE, all because you're TOXIC as any HAZARDOUS WASTE known. ( you have the gall to talk about me being EMBARRASSED, give us a break you MORON,.......Ha!.)

On that note you have obtained more of my time on this latest TROLL SHIT of yours than you deserve, so,........YOU CAN JUST PISS OFF now little MOLE TROLL,.... I'm not playing your STUPID repetitious games any longer, your TROLLING is old and stale as all of your FAKE characters are and quite honestly you're just no longer relevant because you proved just what a LIAR you are to everyone_so end you MOLE TROLL Reynolds.

THE TROLL KNOWN AS SOCRATES / JEFFIE BOY REYNOLDS REALLY SUCKS_BIG TIME !!!

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[ Parent ]
that's it?! (3.00 / 1)
man, if you're gonna sling it like you do, you better be able to take it. Looks like you can't hack it after all.

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
I love a meta spider parade! (3.00 / 3)
Some are starting to come back, with little nuggets:

From experience I can say that being attacked constantly by debunkers to date, goes far beyond just a few people that are passionate about believing that Chemtrail are just contrail's, they seem to be acting as an organized group that are in the employ of our Government and employed for the express purpose of going after key people within the chemtrail community and viscously attacking their credability.

I believe for the past couple of years they have been using new tactics also by which they pretend to be pro chemtrail but attack everyone who has been or is speaking out about the issue, one such individual who goes by the name of "socrates" and who has the forum www.allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org

This is one who pretends to be pro chemtrail while systematically carrying out an agenda of character assassination on people like Will Thomas, S.T. Brendt, Clifford Carnicom and anyone else that is unfortunate enough to fall prey to this internet parasite.

This anonymous coward "socrates" has followed me relentlessly to forums and various sites and blogs where I have posted over the past two years in an effort to convince people that the "Deep Sky" story that S.T. Brendt did with Will Thomas was a hoax, this is the kind of nonsense that betrays this "socrates" as a debunker mole and not someone who is really pro chemtrail. Should you run into this "socrates" character in you're travels on the internet, fair warning, BEWARE, he, she or they are POISON.

But I really like this one fly a meta spider caught, telling where Jeff Reynolds gets his marching orders.


This is sad, where you reference your own sock puppet (4.00 / 2)
socrates

Dude, I cannot believe you wrote this about a week ago. I am someone who has been {humbly} looking deep into chemtrails for about two years. Somehow I ended up at this same story, just after yourself. It's funny, a few weeks ago I wrote a post that included chemtrail central discussion of Kucinich and the space preservation bill.

Sorry I don't have more to say. I just started a new forum. If you check it out please don't let what is there now scare you.

The scariest part for me is one link I just read said that for activists to succeed, they must stick to one issue until they win. The writer was saying that Rosin was an alphabet product. Actually, I found some old thread with a Jay Reynolds somehow posting at a place called Megasprayer. He led me to this story.

Anyway, my initial thought is this. Why would "chemtrails" be put into even a draft of a bill {not sure exactly what happened}, why do that if chemtrails is a crazy internet hoax, that chemtrails are contrails?

Thanks, I actually haven't read your paper yet. It looks good. I am glad to have found this website and am looking forward to checking this place out.

Thanks for your time, "socrates"

So you lead yourself to the story? Dude, come on.

Seriously, come on.


[ Parent ]
Care to explain this? (4.00 / 1)
 'socrates' has finally outted himself in a big way, he IS NOT the NOBODY that he claims to be from Massachusetts, does that surprise anyone, no, I didn't think so.

A recent email address that he uses has been discovered and it puts him about as far away from Massachusetts on the West Coast as one can get and still be on U.S. soil.

Obviously his entire persona and website ( http://www.allaircraftarenotin... ) is a fabrication that has been built on LIES from it's conception deliberately for the purpose of STALKING and HARASSING others.

His email not so strangely enough traces back to a CORPORATE source within a large West coast city that is home to the DoD contractor Lockheed Martin Corporation. ( IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE, Hmmm?)

He has played the WHACKO conspiracy theorist from the start but is this just a ruse to hide what his real agenda is and who he works for, there are obviously more questions to resolve regarding this blatant FAKE who has gone by the name 'socrates'.

I can not post the name he goes by nor his email address in this forum without violating forum rule # 2., however, anyone wishing this email address information that I have acquired and confirmed regarding 'socrates' please feel free to either PM me here at DBS or email me at maineman@email.com and I will be more than glad to share all I have on his email address with you. (wouldn't it be nice to send him an email?)

Many of those within the Chemtrail community have already been sent this information and I hope that you all share it with as many people as you can, it's about time these vicious attacks on those that are pro-chemtrail by this now proven FAKE 'socrates' are stopped.

As of the writing of this posting he has not made any further post at this forum nor at his own site since the 28th, by and with the confirmation of his email address it seems that this guy that has been attacking and claiming that everyone within the Chemtrail community is a PAID FAKE and that they are Government Agents working Psy-Ops Rouge Intelligence COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) or like programs is a HUGE FAKE, paid or not himself in reality. (not that we didn't suspect it all along but now it's been proven to be a fact.)

I hope now that everyone that has had to endure the stalking and constant personal attacks of this 'socrates' character can now laugh at him now, because of his own stupidity he has outted himself, way to go BRAINTRUST, can you hear the laughter?  


[ Parent ]
Was there a blockquote (0.00 / 0)
and link for all or part of that comment?  He has posted at this site since the 28th.

[ Parent ]
sure. (4.00 / 2)
http://debatebothsides.com/sho...

The spiders just trotted back with his myspace page as well.

Since it has his real location, gonna put that in my pocket.


[ Parent ]
Bad chess at best. (4.00 / 1)
...except for the weak minded.

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[ Parent ]
What you need to understand, p/m/s, (4.00 / 3)
is that, for people who have participated at PFF and FSZ over the past year or so, no user on these sites has more credibility than Vox Humana.  He has always been consistent in his style of posting with questions and of treating other users respectfully.  

Now people might disagree with his conclusions.  Personally, although it is clear that he is very smart, I do sometimes question whether he is more gentle as a dove than wise as a serpent (especially considering how easily people can create fake identities on the internet).  But anyone who attacks Vox's sincerity only exposes themselves as the shit-slingers they are.  


so true. (0.00 / 0)
I have always been a fan as well.

[ Parent ]
Although it may well be the case (3.00 / 1)
that vox and I see the dove/serpent issue differently from our respective Quaker and Calvinist perspectives.

[ Parent ]
Thank you for your kind words, Rusty, (0.00 / 0)
but it is pretty clear that this

I do sometimes question whether he is more gentle as a dove than wise as a serpent (especially considering how easily people can create fake identities on the internet).

appears to be exactly what happened here.

I still don't understand why anyone would take the time to do all of this stuff that pinche tejano is linking to. I know blogs are a game to some, but this does not look like even a game. I don't get it at all.

socrates, if you are here and care to respond: Why do you do all these things you mention in your diary and others are linking to? Do you honestly believe all these different people on all these different forums are tied together somehow? How?


[ Parent ]
Dude (1.00 / 1)
You don't realise that Pinche Tejano isn't even providing links for the most part. Some of this, a lot of it, has nothing to do with me. It's all a bunch of lies. Yes, I do believe the fake chemtrail believers are associated. Yes, I believe Tinoire, Jeff Wells, Michael Rivero, Wayne Madsen, Desert Peace, and others are tied together. Yes, I do believe Andy Stephenson, BradBlog, Larisa, Larry Johnson, Ben Burch, and many others are tied together. Heck, Andy Stephenson and Burch can link the "election integrity" crowd with the "Joo hater" crowd and libertarianism. Ever hear of Johnny Gosch? Hello Andy Stephenson and Jeff Wells. Tinoire grew out of Wells' Rigorous Intuition. Yes, the whole stinking netroots is the same. I worked on the Democratic Underground side well before I started to see a whole other parallel universe was working out of the DKos Empire.

If you really want to see my side of things, you are encouraged to check out my posts at my own forum. Then you can see for yourself how I debunked Deep Sky and Will Thomas, or how I've been cybersmeared. I can't reinvent the wheel for you. I can only answer good faith questions based on real content. I tried to succeed as a blogger. I found out some incredible stuff. I thought I'd advance through BradBlog, but then he covered up the Steven Hertzberg story. I don't mean to overwhelm you with name dropping, but you leave me no choice. You exhibit some signs of the authoritarian personality with your craving need to be "normal." The people you are siding with are the "authoritarian types." I am simply a gadfly. I am a proud troublemaker. Stir it up. But for the greater good. End all war. Social and environmental justice. Step on it, pronto.

Stop talking in riddles, please.

I still don't understand why anyone would take the time to do all of this stuff

I believe chemtrails are deliberate activity. I feel that I have proven this. I am a well-educated individual who is on the fringes. Perhaps I developed a bit of internet addiction. Perhaps I thought this was the way I could finally become the activist I've always wanted to be. I am a quick reader. My speciality is the exegesis. I was trained to absorb much, not reinvent the wheel, come up with what is referred to as a social reconstruction, and then take it to the next level. That is how historical academia works.

Why do you do all these things you mention in your diary and others are linking to?

Not sure what you mean. I'd rather discuss the content on right woos left than to make the psychology of myself the body of my diaries. Did you read the stuff on Pinche Tejano? Doesn't it upset you that Michael Rivero and Ron Paul supporters are all over the lefty blogosphere?

What is going on here is spam. My diary on Pinche Tejano was pretty much clear and finite. What these guys are doing to me is regurgitating a sophisticated cybersmear campaign which I have already proven to have existed. What part of I am not Jay Reynolds, may41970, donkeytale, the_last_name_left, Lockheed Martin, Mossad, Republicans, stalkers, whatever can't you comprehend? Did you see how JSR left out inportant emails between us? WTF about that? Either deal with the content and specifics, or please stop wasting my time.


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[ Parent ]
:) (4.00 / 1)


sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

[ Parent ]
Are you saying Ron Paul is a disinfo hack? (0.00 / 0)
Think wisely here.

[ Parent ]
He's going to say it! I swear he is going to! (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
Some of his diaries: (2.50 / 2)
http://www.freespeechzoneblog....

Socrates' free speech that was being protected by his friends, nice guy:


By the way, MSOC has deleted a diary in which she said she'd never accept money from political candidates. My theory on her is that she is making money off of her website. Whether she is a chump getting bird feed from the likes of pro-military whench Curmudgette or from prolific KosKop, KarmaFish and the few other irrelevant writers such as cleverguy82 and devilishadvocate, she has pretty much sealed her fate as being a Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zuniga guarddog. She banned Francis Holland. Scum like Mudge and fishstench are the worst of KosKops. They run someone's reputation into the ground, then they act all innocent saying they didn't want anyone banned.

More after the break. Get yourself a soda. This is gonna be a good one. {also, make sure to check out Francis' Truth About Kos website where yours truly shows once again how guerilla blogging is really done, unlike this fake shit pumped out by MattyJack and the other looooosers.}
socrates :: The Revenge of AbbeysBooks
So MattyJack is acting out a fight with fellow operative Laurel S, who only Lord Byron believes is a female, and only because he has some serious issues with vaginas. [/digression]

It's this simple. I kicked KarmaFish's butt in debate. I troll busted his sorry 15,000 post ass in broad daylight. He admitted to going to MyLeftWingNut to "fight" with Francis Holland. Cue up what a fool believes by the Doobies.

And here we have MattyJack trying to rewrite history. He takes down the UGOG files, he puts them back up. He repeats the cycle. I, on the otherhand, never waver from outing cointelpro-like scum on the internet. MattyJack was talking trash about how many lurkers this place was getting. Uhm, it was because of me. I made a diary at DailyKos sticking up for Dave and Francis. There were a quick 200 of the cheesiest fake lefty responses one could imagine. In my defense, I always knew Daily Kos sucked. You chumps with your soap blox and Kos-centric dribble ought to be embarrassed.

Anyway, Francis' blog got a lot of new readers. I'm sure this place did too. But before MattyJack gets too excited, the truth is out there that he had zero to do with the outing of the UGOGs. The truth is out there that this guy is in all probability some kind of plant. Hey, when the #2 or three poster is Curmudgette her smelly self, you know this place is ultimately a joke.

Without further ado....


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[ Parent ]
Who said Ron Paul is a disinfo hack? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Socrates did! We all saw him! (0.00 / 0)
He must have deleted the post.

[ Parent ]
Socrates said Ron Paul was a Jewboy Disinfo Hack! (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
Payload loaded. (0.00 / 0)

Tchuss, Socrates, enjoy the hemlock.


[ Parent ]
Wait, are you accusing EFG of stalking you? (0.00 / 0)
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[ Parent ]
Thank you for answering my questions. (3.00 / 2)
I honestly don't know what to say. A lot of people (including you) have gone into computer language from time to time that I don't understand. I don't know who all these people are that you mention either. The list just seems to grow.

I am sure you are not donkeytale, based on observations I have made with my own eyes. The problem I have is that you have attacked so many different people (including me) at so many different times in so many different ways, accusing them of so many different things, that I can't figure out any way of sorting out the truth in your posts when I have observed you say things that I know are not true because some of them involved me and what you thought were my motives or circumstances. How can I give what you write credence when I see you make some statements I know to be false? On the other hand, others at different venues have done the same thing today and have substantially compromised the credibility I gave them before. I certainly know who I am, and I know when people say things about me that aren't true; and I remember who said them and take that into account when reading their words.

So, there you have it. I can't say I believe all that you write, but based on some things I have seen today, I can't say I believe everything some of your greatest detractors say, either. So here we are, and I end up stuck where I usually am, somewhere in between. But... not in a way that makes me comfortable or easy in my mind.

The simple fact is that there are so many names and sites and forums and accusations involved in all directions that there is no way I could sort all of it out or answer you on it even if I were so inclined. I don't know who is telling the truth, but I rather suspect most involved have at least some piece of it, including you.

I have to say, socrates, if you are looking for ending all war as a key issue, sowing the seeds of conflict by making accusations all over the map is probably not the best way to go about it, even at this micro-microlevel. And I mean that in the friendliest way possible, as someone who wants to find an end to war as well. It won't come from a permanent state of suspicion. It can't.

I assure you I have no craving to be "normal." People from all sides of this dispute seem angry with me right now, and I am okay with that unless or until this all becomes much clearer. I will not be drawing any quick conclusions in any direction; that's for certain.

And now this has taken more time from all of us than it probably ever should have. I would very much like to read anything positive you have to say about the issues of peace and social justice. Those are important to me - not who is standing in the way, but who has creative positive ideas and solutions. But from here on out, any personal accusations of me or of any others that you or any others might care to make on this matter will receive no consideration from me, since I am obviously incapable of processing what little I already know.


[ Parent ]
Gotta agree with Sock Rat here, Vox. You willingly avert your gaze from the truth (2.00 / 1)
in order to walk down the middle path. Delusion.

You know the truth. Why not blog it? Why are you here and not FSZ if you still have so many questions?

You already have every answer you seek. If you say you dont, you are being deceitful.

Pyrrhiod.


[ Parent ]
No, sorry, donkeytale. I had a feeling (3.50 / 2)
you would feel this way, but I can't agree.

Socrates has said some things that I believe to be true, but he has also said some things that I know to be false. It is not all one way or the other. I don't think the way he is being treated right now is good, but I also think he made some serious errors in judgment at best, and I mentioned that to him earlier today.

The reasons I am no longer at fsz I have documented many, many times yesterday and today. Neither socrates nor anyone else that I saw there outed anyone or posted pedophilia at fsz at the time of the bannings. So I left.

As far as the veracity of all his claims: how would it even be possible to verify it all? It's difficult to sort through.

Aside from the credibility of his detractors, do you believe all his theories?  


[ Parent ]
I'm out of here, but this is what I'm talking about (0.00 / 0)
You speak in generalities with no content or context. Unless you do so with clear links and examples, your words mean nothing.

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...


[ Parent ]
We'll be watching and waiting! (4.00 / 2)

Expect us!


[ Parent ]
4chan comment approval (4.00 / 1)
;-) Pictures, Images and Photos

you stay, tyler gone, w3 d3m4nd m0r3 m3t4!


[ Parent ]
Whos talking about the veracity of all claims? I believe very little of anyones claims, but no one has lied more openly than Jay (1.67 / 3)
I can verify that. He's been lying about me for months now, as well as Eric, noom, byron socrates, davefromqueens, MajorFlaw, et al. Have you checked the veracity of all Jay Emerson's claims? His picture is in the dictionary next to the word "dissemble."

Do you honestly believe that he's afraid of Socrates now, as supposedly he was afraid of Shadowthief in November? Or is he just lashing out in frustration because his little games led to FSZ's ruin? Is he being joined here by tons of posters to spam this site. Why? They wanted the whack jobs gone, remember? The whack jobs are gone from FSZ. Yet they followed here. Seems they didnt know what they were really all about after all, did they? Seems they needed to harrass the whack jobs, not vice versa. You always this equitable when the mobs descend, vox?

I say "they" because "they" had to double sock to spam this site, so I dont really know who "they" are. Maybe its just one of them. Do you see the spamming, Vox? WHy do you think they are doing this to Laura?

I do believe that Sock Rat is definitely on target with the right woos left meme. It was de facto in the 60s. I have noticed this most recent version of the phenomenon starting with Ron Paul, pinche tejanos former boss. We have caught perps red handed just in the last few daze. Lasthorsemen quoting unattributed from American Free Press. Mattes linking to "What Really happened".

Clearly, the whiteysphere has descended down the anti-semitic, CT path started by the forged "protocols of the Elders of Zion." Its writ all over the I/P garbage, and has exploded on the left since Obama won. Th ewingnuyz on both ends have been pwned so they are jockeying each other to take the lead in opposition.

And the Left, as always are being led by the nose every step of the way. Hence, useful idiots. Happened in Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and it can happen here too.

Read the "What Really Happened" web site. Its the same decades old CT junk: Jesus raised a family in South France. The Knights Templar. The Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. The ree masons. the bilderbergers. RIOTOUS!

Pure fascist junk, 100 plus years warmed over.  


[ Parent ]
I think I already mentioned (2.67 / 3)
I don't believe what others are saying either, and today I saw a claim made about me that proved to me that I can't believe everything I read from some people even if I had thought I could before.

I don't know why there is all the swarm. I really don't. People think I understand all kinds of things that just don't make sense to me. Deep down, who cares about such tiny, tiny places? Why bother?

The point about "right woos left" is an interesting one, but it is also possible that people link to different opinion sites once in a while, isn't it? I think Lasthorseman marches to a different drummer and holds all kinds of eccentric and even contradictory opinions. You really think he's a "perp"? I don't claim to understand mattes' opinions. She really seems to dislike what I say, so I'm not really a good observer there.

I understand about sites like "What really happened," but theories about Johnny Gosch and liberal bloggers' involvement in his disappearance don't seem very different to me other than in degree.

Honestly? The last couple of days have been something of a seismic shift for me in terms of blogging and who is who and which way is up... I spent way too much time online today as a result. I'm still trying to find my footing online and stay true to what I believe. I'm a lightning rod myself right now, and I have to be careful to stay grounded.


[ Parent ]
Do you understand humannature? Do you understand mobs? (2.00 / 2)
Do you understand weak minds?

Lasthroseman is a tool, vox. Of course he has no kkklue how he's being used. Or at least didnt until a few daze ago. Thats the whole point. These people dont know what poisons they are spreading.

On the infoboobtubes, information spreads virally.

Disinformation spreads virally, too. Only faster. What Really Happened is a case in point. Read Socrates story about Rivero. He has worked for another Pinche Tejano (so PT claims) buddy, CT wingnut, "Alex Jones," the right wing radio host who is all CT all the time. From Austin. Youd be amazed the audience of left wing nutz he attracts, jusy liek Ron Paul, libertarian racist, who pulled a lot of support in "pwoggie" Austin Texas.

Read the signs Vox. The right wing memes are seeping into the leftwing. Disaffecteds on both sides. Loooosers love CT, its poisonously tonic to believe there is a conspiracy against them, otherwise they would really be somebody. Its the jews fault. Its the niggers fault. Never their own responsibility.

How did all those good Germans ever get hoodwinked Vox? First they stood around and let the meme develop beyond their control, and when it came, they either had to stand up or get out of the way. By then, it was already too late, vox.

Maybe its because Im exposed to so many rightwing nutz down here. Many of them espouse these same theories now, where they were dedicated Republikkkkans up until the last election. They admit Bush brought them down, they hated Mkkkkain and this is their thing now.

"Its all a conspiracy."


[ Parent ]
Hmmm. That really is food for thought. (3.00 / 1)
Aren't these wings pretty marginalized right now? That is, under your example, we are currently talking late Twenties Germany instead of late Thirties at this point, given what you are saying? Are we in the Weimar?

I think similar things happened in the Thirties here in the US, though. In your opinion, is Obama the individual to steer us through the Huey Longs and Father Coughlins?


[ Parent ]
WE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS TO STEER US THRU. I think thats what Sock is saying to you. (0.00 / 0)
Obama is just a dude. A smart dude, sure. But what if the economy worsens from here?

Of course the wings are marginalized now. But for how long was the right wing not marginalized under Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush? How smart and wealthy are they still?

The left wing is forever marginalized in the US, and now heading towards "intellectual" cooptation by the right, without acknowledgement. These are the signs appearing in the whiteysphere every day. This expalins at least partially the vehement and continuing overreaction to Socrates. He's on target. I'm something of a heat seeking missile myself. I know when I have hit the target by the reaction. This reaction is seriously overamped for Socrates to be anything but prescient in his unflattering portrayal of useful idiots playing with fire.

I have told Socrates that he gives too much credit by terming people "paid." You dont pay your screwdriver to screw for you. You use it and then toss it as soon as yur done using it.


[ Parent ]
Your argument holds up til the point of this being (3.67 / 3)
a numbers problem, since real lefties tend to be more intuitional/rational, and thus less susceptible to fairytales. So your description is incomplete, 'cos the end result is a rightward shift, not a 'coopting' of the left. That's not to say what you describe doesn't exist. But your blame, as usual is projection(methinks).

* projection alert *

(I guess it doesn't work everywhere. But it's still funnee)


[ Parent ]
I disagree with the statement "real lefties tend to be more intuitional/ rational" (3.00 / 2)
First, there arent any real lefties on these blogs and not many in RL. It is a numbers problem. If you see any "rational/intuitional" processes going down anywhere in the whiteysphere, please be sure and let me know.

The nation is moving left, IMHO. Not lurching but definitely back from the center right to the center, maybe leaning left. Its a leftward direction.

If Obama is half successful, and lets face it, people approve of him bigtime in relation to Bush, so he is going to have it pretty easy being considered half successful, and the Republikkkan right is looking at a long time in the wilderness, unless they infiltrate minds and redirect memes. Believe me, they are already at work.

Besides in 8 years Obama is out and who knows what kkkluck will replace him? Really smart presidents come along only about once every fifty years. Clinton was a faker, IMHO. Reaganesque. Overrated for intellect and especially for temperament. In fact, Reagan was far more temperamentally suited than was Clinton, for all his Rhodes scholarliness or wtf. Reagan was actually smarter than Clinton in his homespun, friendly fascist way. IMHO. If you judge on results, Reagan moved the chains historically more than anyone since FDR. Clinton pulled chains. Pyrrhiod.


[ Parent ]
Well yeah I knew you would (3.50 / 2)
disagree with the statement "real lefties tend to be more intuitional/ rational"

but I do tend to agree with you on your following remark, even though it has really nothing to do with my statement.

You seem to still be poo-pooing bloggal influence wrt to 'leftish' ideas but oddly inflating the 'right woos left' problem(with a little help from your frined). My take is completely different. I know that any real change can't come without non-bloggers. And this double negative is not meant to reduce my argument to an MSM influenced all-or-nothing, quite the contrary. I think there are HUGE numbers of people who don't buy the main line, who are also NOT online(working(poor) overtime IRL). That's always how 'change' comes, from the drudging masses. The Oabma thing is already stale to them...because it was a creation, not because it was too 'right' or too 'left'.


[ Parent ]
I see no evidence that "bloggers" have any real impact. (0.00 / 0)
I mean how many bloggers are there on these "political boards" en toto? Even if you say 10 million unique partcipants, Thats still less than 1% of the total vote for President. Yur spreading the same "self-important" nonsense that made MAMZ wealthy and connected, is all.

Obama proved the irrelevancy of the whiteysphere by ignoring it. If you say bloggers shape the meme, yeah maybe to a small extent. Very small. Teeny. Flipside is that no one gets out from inside their echo chambers. Cockburn still said it best years ago: blogging is a demobilizing force.

facebook-style sites are really where the action is, not political sites, anyway. Thats where the voters are, especially the elusive "youngsters."

And you are smoking better weed than me if you think the masses are already tired of Obamas act.

After 4 months? Shirely you geste.

Havent sighted evidence of that in the polls at all. You got something? Linky to it.

You need to read something or talk to somebody outside your own echo chamber. Whiteyspheric mania seems to have seized your common sense.

You are acting pretty un-Laura like anyway since taing over. You shure that you are the real Laura?

[:o)


[ Parent ]
You replied with the bit that I was NOT contesting (0.00 / 0)
Maybe I should have clarified. I agree that bloggers have little impact.

What we disagree on is Obama. And the validity of 'polls'.


[ Parent ]
"Even if you say 10 million unique partcipants, Thats still less than 1% of the total vote for President" (4.00 / 1)
Over a billion people vote for president?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

[ Parent ]
Oh, boy, Mr. keytale. (3.00 / 4)
Thanks for this. I've needed some good conversations about some real ideas - if I remember aright, that's one of the reasons I came to blogging in the first place....

Anyway, if that is what socrates is trying to say, I wish he would just say it. When he starts attacking anyone and everyone and linking election fraud and leftist bloggers and missing children from the Eighties in a vast plan, my eyes glaze over - I have to admit. I won't be in the forefront of that kind of "revolution;" my mind just doesn't work that way. When he shows the sources of right-wing memes that circulate however unintentionally, I find that brilliant. The real HairClubforMen was good at the exact same issue. The socrates personal blog attacks and (paradoxically) the grand overarching indictments look - well - eccentric at best. Sorry, but they do.

Still, I have to ask a question I asked earlier today in reverse: Is it possible to disagree with - even condemn - socrates and still not agree with Jack's actions at fsz?


[ Parent ]
may i step in? (3.50 / 6)
Is it possible to disagree with - even condemn - socrates and still not agree with Jack's actions at fsz?

one has nothing to do with the other so the answer is yes.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory


[ Parent ]
Thanks. I know. (2.75 / 4)
A real question - why is this so hard for so many to figure out?

[ Parent ]
um i'm not really sure (3.40 / 5)
i could guess but why bother.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
Because it's complete and total horseshit (4.50 / 2)
But you got high-fived by the handful of people who have declared that there ain't a thing wrong with your psychotic buddy Socrates, so continue on as if you were right while the Merry Band of Hypocritical Nitwits all give you a high five at once.

Fucking hilarious.

A real question - why is it so hard for you to join reality and stop defending a sociopath and his enablers?  

Pfft, who am I kidding, there's no such thing as a real question to your ass, you refuse to address reality and force yourself to wear blinders lest you not see any bad and asking you a real question expecting a reality based answer without blinders is like hoping I wake up with a statue of gold in my house.

Keep up the comedy.  You and your fellow hypocritical nitwits, supersoling & doberman being the star fuckheads of the night, ever thought about the disconnect between your egos and the reality they exist within?  Not lately, obviously.


[ Parent ]
I await your response (3.00 / 2)
to the falsehoods stated earlier today that I mentioned in a comment below addressed to you. Until then, I guess we are at a standstill, addressing reality and all.

Goodnight.


[ Parent ]
You'll need to give me a link (4.00 / 1)
I'll be happy to address it and find out why it was said and congratulate/condemn upon the answers being given.

You've only got about a billion questions to answer about you integrity re: JSR/FSZ/SOCRATES, I won't ever expect a reply with the slightest of integrity though.  When you play the middle of the road where nobody is ever to blame, you get to have the shit that you bring about by tacitly defending a real life stalker.  Be proud.


[ Parent ]
p.s. (4.00 / 1)
You'll also need to give me a link to your comment condemning Socrates' accusations against 90% of the FSZ & PFF users.

Oh wait, that doesn't exist because you're a fucking hypocrite to the core.

Wake me up when you actually condemn a true psycho before asking why someone criticizing you unfairly isn't condemened.  I won't hold my breath because it won't fucking happen.  It ain't what you do.


[ Parent ]
Like that is necessary (3.50 / 4)
a link to your comment condemning Socrates' accusations against 90% of the FSZ & PFF users

That's not even in question. Stating the obvious is no counterargument to what is actually in question STILL.


[ Parent ]
Do you have a barf bag handy? (0.00 / 0)
I'm about to need one.


[ Parent ]
what, the gutter isn't good enough for you anymore? (0.00 / 0)


"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Grandpa, were you born with no principles (0.00 / 0)
or was that learned?

[ Parent ]
Even Lauren... (4.00 / 1)
...doesn't puke where she lives.  She's a lady.

:)


[ Parent ]
Honey, I know it's hard tonight (0.00 / 0)
with no coke and no dick.....

But you'll make it through the night and if you just sleaze yourself tomorrow like you usually do, no doubt you can score some blow and dick.

You can slut with the best of em, don't worry.  Tomorrow night will be golden.


[ Parent ]
Who said anything about no dick? (4.00 / 1)
He's snuggled up against me right now.  I don't have your problem, Lauren.  Tonight was already golden.

You sound jealous.  You don't know what you're missing.

:)


[ Parent ]
ahem (2.50 / 2)
"You don't know what you're missing."

I think he might have a vague recollection.

Tomorrow... :o)

"May we live long and die out"


[ Parent ]
Hell yeah! (0.00 / 0)
The streak is alive!


[ Parent ]
Yes, it is... (1.00 / 1)
...as alive as your's is dead.

Nighty-night.

:)


[ Parent ]
Holy shit, I can laugh at you being a slut and you don't call me a homophobe? LOL (0.00 / 0)
That's progress.

Are you actually growing a brain that doesn't require alcohol to function?


[ Parent ]
Here is my take on Sock rat, as I have stated elsewhere, he is very literate for a blogger (2.67 / 3)
quite intelligent but I know what you mean. He needs a good editor to shape and focus his stories.

[projection alert.

And peeps are just out knocking him off his stride all the time. Yeah, its his own fault for the way he reacts, but like me, if you really research there is usually someone trolling him first and he just gets blamed, like the NBA---the retaliation foul is the one that gets whistled, not the original perp.

But the names he coughs up alone are worth it for me. Johnny Gosch, Micheal Rivero, Larisa Alexandrovna, Brett Kimberlin. And if you take some time and google on them, you begin to get a better idea of what he is talking about, at least on some of them.

Kimberlins story is ridiculous. You have to believe there is a movie in there somewhere.

You canalways look me up for discussion Vox. I'm versatile. I like working the political, social, arts and spiritual beats as well as being a menace to "polite" society.


[ Parent ]
Precisely (1.00 / 1)
I like working the political, social, arts and spiritual beats as well as being a menace to "polite" society.

why I respect your opinion, even when I disagree.

As far as socrates (and Jack even), I bear no ill will. Really. I wish each would debate honestly, but maybe "honestly" means "to my liking"? I'm man enough to admit it.


[ Parent ]
See, I dont see dishonesty in Socrates. I see him a bit quick on the reactive mode (1.00 / 1)
when people start in on him. Its a defensive posture. I agree that he needs a bit more patience when dealing with the blognality he has created and the reactions to it.

Jay on the other hand?????????????

I can excuse him for being young, but the problem for me is that dishonesty is not something that typically cures with age.

My experience is if a guy isnt cured of lying by about 12, chances are he's only gonna get worse with age.  


[ Parent ]
You don't see dishonesty (3.80 / 5)
because its something you practice too and to admit it in the guy you've been playing around with would make you look like a even bigger fool than you already do.

So instead of admitting that this moron goes around making shit up 99% of the time, you try to latch on to some small shred that might lend him credibility.  Here's a clue genius - the idiot read a book that somebody else wrote that mentioned Brett Kimberlin and has been jawing about it for years.  Hey, I read the Pentagon papers.  If I started spamming boars about it with 19 different usernames would that make me Daniel Ellsberg?

Bunch of morons.


[ Parent ]
Pffunny. You ARE spamming this board with 19 user names (0.00 / 0)
or maybe its you and your fellow FSZ "boars."

SO yes, I agree with you:

you are a bunch of morons.


[ Parent ]
When you can't argue coherently (0.00 / 0)
go for the old I know you are but what am I response.

You're slipping.


[ Parent ]
Always everyone else's fault (1.00 / 1)
Fucking goddamned hilarious, as usual, Vox.

Maybe you could join fucking reality and then you wouldn't have to wonder about the honesty of each party.  You still try and play Mr. Middle of the Road, "both are guilty" "I love both" "oh why can't everyone just get along"....

Jesus Christ, eat a dick already, you sanctimonious hypocritical pompous ass.    


[ Parent ]
Hello, Lauren. (3.67 / 3)
I have read your opinion before. Thank you.

I wonder about the honesty of each party because of reality. This afternoon I was accused at fsz of being "in league" with kos, even to the point of "scrubbing" postings at that website, apparently.

Was that an honest assessment, in your opinion? Consider well, and tell me why, knowing that I know who I am and what I really have done, I should accept the opinion of the side you favor over the one you do not.

Both are guilty. I love both. But frankly at this point I don't care if everyone can just get along. I'll leave that concern to Maude. The truth would be a better start.


[ Parent ]
You can ask whoever posted about you being in league with kos about them posting about you being in league with kos (4.00 / 2)
I should accept the opinion of the side you favor over the one you do not.

Both are guilty.


Your false equivalencies are a farce.  If you actually believe that they are comparable, you are a farce.  Given who is so proud of you tonight though, I don't think that game is really still going on, more like a 100 run game called after the first inning.

I love both.

That's cool.  I'm not a big fan of sociopaths who stalk people in real life.  You love them...cool stuff, Vox.  Eat a dick.

But frankly at this point I don't care if everyone can just get along.

Given that you contributed greatly in the meta wars at FSZ against Jack specifically.... who in their right mind would think your primary concern is people getting along?  Only your fucknut buddies who are just as big in the hypocrisy dept over here.  I don't care if everyone gets along either.  Did you think this was a question for tonight?  Newsflash: It's not, stop posturing like some fucking kumbaya nobody can do wrong motherfucker because you've made a fool of yourself and got played like a chump by Sock Rat... and continue to be by the always chumpified Supersoling, Doberman Pinche, 4ked, and others.  You are playing the fool deliberately, gladly, and being made a bigger fool of without even realizing it.

I'll leave that concern to Maude. The truth would be a better start.

The truth is never your concern.  You've acted against the truth multiple times, when it was right in your face, including the past two days.  Drop the fucking act.  It's a farce.

[ Parent ]
do you work in sales? (2.00 / 2)


The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
Ok vox (3.00 / 5)
I went back and found the comment.  If that is the worse thing said about you, you will be lucky.  Much worse is said about me everyday.
i dunno...   (6.00 / 2)

But there's a lot of strange things happening.

Vox is close with kos (he scrubbed and banned my sock when I commented to kos directly one time.

Now out of nowhere he comes to defend byron, spcrates and DT?

Nowhere to be found when it was me in trouble, strange indeed.

The battle cry of war seems to have awaken many beasts and hidden truths have been unearthed.

Silly fucking rabitt, antifa doesn't fuck around.

:-)

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by: Jack's Smirking Revenge @ Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 17:02:39 PM EDT

I do not know anything about your relationship with kos, really did not know you had much of one.  Know nothing about this incident mentioned in the comment.

The only rub I had with you, was that it seemed to me(and I may be wrong) that you disappeared during times in which others were doing the very things which you wanted to hold jack to the fire for.  It has happened here, imo.  When users had their accounts suspended/deleted(like there is a difference) or their names changed(like there is a difference) I did not see you speak out about it.  But if jack did it, you were more than able to speak.

I admit my fault in the mess.  One of my big failings is my willingness to give those I view as my online friends a pass on things(I have that fault in RL).  I do not speak as much as some, and do not usually join in the criticism of those whom I consider my "friends" even when they are wrong.  You seem to pick your battles or ignore acts by some.  I give you that you did speak out one time, that I remember(no link) but you did.

When you seek to hold users to a standard(a noble goal) then ignore the same or worse actions by others, it appears you are taking sides, even if you did not intend.  I do that myself, but am not criticized for it because I am not seen as someone who has held myself out as neutral.

We did not usually disagree on the points, just the response.  Understand, I had never called for anyone to be banned, either here or at FSZ(even all these dirty socks).  However, in response to what happened, I took a wait and see approach, I think it worked out for the best.  Several took a very self righteous position, which no one has been able to live up to.  Several posters proved themselves to have a very simple position.  They did not like Jack in charge.  That was it, no matter what he did, they would never be happy.  Control was the only issue they cared about and they would take whatever position necessary to break whatever control they could away from whatever administration there was(just jack in this case).

Time could heal a lot, If it was allowed to heal.  Just let it heal for awhile.  I do not seek out fights with people on the internet or irl.  I regret that you feel on the outs with anyone over this.  I regret that I had words with several posters that were not nice.  I regret that i have had a falling out with 4ked, he thinks he is right and that is fine(he probably has a good point), he just has pushed to the point of being an ass, imo.  I regret alot that has happened.  Understand trolling though, we are all trolls to a point(at least I have come to believe that) and some in our "community" are pretty hard core.  Trolls troll.  They disrupt sites.  Sites that accept trolls, hell are proud to welcome trolls, will be disrupted.  Maybe the site has to reign it in sometimes to survive, or not.  But if you quit or the sites dissolve, they win.  And we can not let anyone else, troll or not, win.  

If you forbid filters, you get deedogg.


[ Parent ]
I respect your position (3.50 / 2)
and always have as far as this all goes. I know you never called for bannings, too, despite some people's claims to the contrary.

I have been disappearing more and more of late. It's work related (in a good way), not blogging related.

I thought I explained the name thing. Jack's solution to that did seem better to me, and - better still - he worked it out online. Timothy V. Gatto was there as was a Timothy Gatto, a Tim Gatto and "the REAL Tim Gatto" or something like that. Confusing, no? Something would have to be done... and it was. This seemed similar to me. It's not at all the same as changing usernames on a whim at random. My position there was based on that history; that kind of deliberate spreading of confusion seems obligatory at the debut of a site like this.

This is a good sentence:

When you seek to hold users to a standard(a noble goal) then ignore the same or worse actions by others, it appears you are taking sides, even if you did not intend.

I did not intend. I spoke up against the bannings and left. I don't think I attacked Jack when I left, but I could be wrong about that. I did confront him strongly the first time he came here. As things became clearer I moderated my stance. But he was the moderator and made the decisions, so questions to him will be different from that simple fact.

It might be an issue of control for some, I don't know. I'm not so sure about that, but it could be for some. There are also still unanswered questions in many directions.

Time could heal a lot. You are absolutely right. I continue to see posts at fsz that imply I am somebody's sockpuppet, etc. I suppose that's all "part of the game," if game this be. That could probably be easily checked out by some of these people who seem to be doing that sort of thing (which is a little creepy to think about). You're right, people can write a lot worse. It came from people I have liked and respected - cared about, even - so it cut pretty deeply. That's time to step away from the computer a bit then, huh? It was a mistake to check in at fsz when people were encouraging me to think about posting there. My first impression was correct - I'm persona non grata there right now (and I don't blame him or others really, thinking what they appear to). I will follow yours and others' wise advice and give it time.

I'm working on some political issues offline, but they don't seem to lend themselves to general interest diaries. Maybe I can get back on track by talking about other things, though. I'm going to try.


[ Parent ]
It was never an issue of control... (3.75 / 4)
...for anyone. And it isn't even in the realm of possibility.  It is a theory created out of thin air and given credence by those who's minds are open to paranoid conspiracies but closed to the most obvious and and oft-stated explanations.  A convenient way to discredit those who had serious issues with Jack's behavior and the games he was playing.

It might be an issue of control for some, I don't know. I'm not so sure about that, but it could be for some.

Names, please.  And, evidence that would support such a wild supposition.

While I can appreciate your efforts to find common ground with deedogg, I won't sit idly by while history is re-written.  Deedogg has stated that Otvos and I were attempting to wrestle control of FSZ from Jack --as if such a thing was possible.  It is complete bullshit.  Some arguments can be dismissed out of hand -- and SHOULD be dismissed in such a summary manner.  This is how a revisionist history takes root.


[ Parent ]
Sorry. I didn't mean (2.00 / 1)
to direct that to anyone. I only meant that I couldn't guess as to anyone else's reasons, but they didn't appear to be about control to me. I didn't realize it was an accusation leveled at anyone. That must have been another thing I missed.

[ Parent ]
I'm not looking to cast recriminations or to provoke apologies. (3.00 / 1)
You may have missed much. None of us is operating with all the facts.

Good cop / Bad cop.  

Lauren comes over here and spews her venom.  Calls you every name in the book -- takes you on rather profanely and directly.  Then along comes deedogg, who does NOTHING but scour the internet for tid-bits.  He makes the blog rounds and routinely posts his discoveries at FSZ.  He comes in here with a more concilliatory tone.  Very agreeable.  Same old schtick (who me?  I never meant this, and I regret that, and I took a 'wait and see' posture...BULLSHIT).

He has uprated the NASTIEST bullshit and engaged in the pack mentality and has been as close-minded and so full shit and dismissive as anyone.  He even claims to regret having fallen out with me...convenient he tells this to you, and not to me directly.  

I do not regret having fallen out with him.  Makes knowing who I am dealing with much easier.  He can speak to Lauren and Jack about their issues and their nastiness.  And he can do it as publicly as when he was carrying their water.  He knows better than to come to me with his bullshit.  No doubt he feels that what is happening to you right now is regrettable.  I think he sincerely likes you.  Maybe he should be brave and bring it up with his buds.  He likes to call 'Bullshit' in one direction.

I didn't realize it was an accusation leveled at anyone.

And why would you think that?  He TOLD you what he thought...he simply neglected to post specific names.

I'm far from perfect.  And I can understand why anyone would want to distance themselves from me.  I can also understand why Lauren would want to taint you by associating you with me.  Don't fall for their bullshit.


[ Parent ]
As far as the original issue in that comment: (0.00 / 0)
I don't have a relationship with kos. He would have to find that laughable, if he cared at all. The last time (and maybe the only time) we exchanged comments was in davefromqueens GBCW diary at dailyKos, easily searchable by any who care to.

Not exactly a cordial exchange, nor were many of my others with dK admins and "community moderators" in that diary.


[ Parent ]
well (2.50 / 2)
I posted a response to you, that I thought attempted to address any issues between us.  I see that others have issues that are unresolvable.  Anyway, I will attempt to talk to you again in the future, after the dust from this latest disturbance settles.  peace

If you forbid filters, you get deedogg.

[ Parent ]
vox... (3.80 / 5)
......you told me back at FSZ that it isn't easy.

I think there comes a time when you simply have to assess how open you have been to explanations, and how much OTHERS want you to bend principle in order to prove yourself worthy of their half-hearted, inconsistent efforts.

Stay grounded, but do not be fooled by the GALL, the unmitigated gall of the un-self-critical types who are heaping it on.  To some this is a video game, and taking you out represents a great prize.  Ad hom, guilt by association, pulling all the stops in illegitimate debate in order to discredit ANYONE, especially you, who dared to have challenged what was going on and continues to question the rationales and tactics of those who would have you betray your principles.  

This isn't about socrates.  It never was about socrates.  It's a mindfuck now.  And the issue has been convoluted by fabrications and half-truths.  What got this whole ball of wax rolling is now lost.  Back to basics.  Why were people banned?  What reason was given?  Has that reason evolved (conveniently)? Do I actually have to link to all the shit that was said when you left FSZ?  Do you have to be reminded about how people revealed themselves?  

It isn't easy -- but there's no need to make it any harder than it actually is.


[ Parent ]
Thank me later (0.00 / 0)
To some this is a video game

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.co...

You're welcome.


[ Parent ]
An expensive choice for a burn, Lauren. :-) (4.00 / 1)
Don't you think?

[ Parent ]
I'm not buying, 4keDouche is :) (0.00 / 0)
Though any piece of proper glass would work just as well, you're absolutely right.

Given the piece of shit that 4kedDouche is, I probably should have gone to Salvation Army though.  :)


[ Parent ]
Well in fairness Bed, Bath & Beyond's wholesale is probably $2.00 (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Good point (0.00 / 0)
That's a good number of dollars saved and available for Makers Marks.  Damn, you're welcome 4kedDouche.

[ Parent ]
Don't worry, 4kedtongue. (2.50 / 2)
I will keep my own counsel in this regard, giving credence and consideration to those who have never pulled out the stops you cite here.

I continue to ask my own questions - and will do so in the future, rest assured.

Thank you for the kind words, though. Kind words always help, even in disagreement.

Y'know?


[ Parent ]
There's nothing for me to worry about where you're concerned. (2.67 / 3)
You keep wise counsel.  I feel better knowing (hoping) that you worry about me -- LOL.  If I only followed my own advice...hahaha.

[ Parent ]
Thankfully for your "admiring" audience (0.00 / 0)
You never do.

When's the next meltdown, douchey?


[ Parent ]
as soon as someone tosses a pail of water (3.00 / 1)
on your bony ass :o)

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Ah so I'm a fatass pile of lard by 4ked's description (0.00 / 0)
and a bony pile of shit by your description.

Not sure when physical descriptions of someone one has never seen came into the picture but I fucking love how you've both had to resort to such hilarious attacks.

ClownHall in session.

:)


[ Parent ]
surely you can't be serious.... (0.00 / 0)
fwiw, I used to have a more 'substantial' opinion of you. But since you've been fleshed out, so to speak, bony fits quite nicely.

And with that I wish you a good, solid day's worth of sleep today.

"May we live long and die out"


[ Parent ]
Dried out for the night? No nice lines chopped up in front of your face? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
And here I thought you were fun (3.00 / 1)
More 4 me!



[ Parent ]
It's going on 4AM in St. Pete, dearie... (0.00 / 0)
...what's that about lines?  I can see why you're so preoccupied with mirrors, Lauren.

Why isn't a man making sweet love to you right now?

:)


[ Parent ]
St. Pete lmao (0.00 / 0)
Dude, go with it.  Head up the investigation.  My identity is in safe hands with you on the case.

Serious lol wtf.   You're a fucking idiot.


[ Parent ]
Like I give a shit... (0.00 / 0)
...to actually know who you really are.  You're deluded.  Tell FeloniousMonk I say hello, dumbass.  LOL.

[ Parent ]
I'm just happy for you! (0.00 / 0)
You were able to keep the Sluttin-it-Up streak alive.

Awesome!  


[ Parent ]
Speaking of tossing pails of water, (4.00 / 1)
do you know any friends of Dorothy who have caught the musical version of beautiful wickedness (melting, melting)in your town?  My daughter loved the book, but we haven't caught the show.

[ Parent ]
I know a few FoDs who have seen it... (4.00 / 1)
...and, of course, they all gushed over it.  Would have been great to see with the original cast.

:)


[ Parent ]
shut the fuck up imitator (4.00 / 1)
paid disinfo blah blah useful idiots blah blah

whiteyshere blah blah [:o)

copy and paste comments that were stupid the first time into a "post"

jesus christ on a cracker and shit on a shingle

get a new fuckin hobby

FUCK TO YOU


[ Parent ]
if you hurry, Lauren (4.00 / 2)
you might catch that late night sale at Walmart for Dale Earnhardt #3 cross dressers undergarments :o)

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Here's more from FSZ number one recced diary of the moment, with all of one comment by the daiiries author (1.00 / 1)
We done here Socrates? (0.00 / 0)
Or shall we continue?
Because at the camp, that was just an hour query with low level bots, I can set this shit up for an overnight harvest.

So I ask again, we done here?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

by: Pinche Tejano @ Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 21:33:46 PM EDT  


[ Parent ]
It must be (0.00 / 0)
so very very sad when a diary only gets one comment by its own author.  Do you need a group hug?  it'll make you feel ever so much better.

[ Parent ]
Instead of a group hug how about a blow job? (0.00 / 0)
Receiving oral sex from a transvestite would make me feel ever so much better than a group hug.

Bet on it.

[:o0

You can hug your socks afterwards if you needa group hug.


[ Parent ]
Heres more nice cybersleuthing of socrat, me, and I guess other whack jobs (1.00 / 1)
by some dude named, appropriately, Black Death. Altho, keeping with the FSZ colour scheme, he would be more appropriately socked as "Black and Green Death."

ANd I'm apparently either govt or my line is running through the govt. RIOTOUS! Those real cointelpro fockers love reading my shit!

[new] Ok... (0.00 / 0)

I'll make this sorta quick since i'm headin out to Bridgwater in an hour so don't be heartbroken if I don't contact you until, um 2a.m your time?  I dunno.
The "socrates" guy has IP's all over the place (no big reveal there) and I spent a good time after dindin following all the leads ur users (thanksies all) had posted.

A few of the elite SOCKS proxies he was using were old black hat wordpress fronts that were old before he even signed up with them (if they were even used by anybody but him anyway) so he's obviously nobody worth worrying your pretty little ass about cupcake.  Also, not to hard to become part of some dumb starter e-mail group that exchange proxies like a geekwad baseball card collector.

buuuuut the other go-teams pulled up some interesting shit on two of the three that you asked me to look into.

That "random" user is nobody special and as you know is my policy I drop any further looksies the minute the first test comes back legit. Also you told me he was generally "cool" with you so yeah.

The "DavidByron" and "socrates" connection is something to watch, but i'm gettin two different stories back with the donkeypunch fella.

There's government connects being used on and off but that can either be someone from there or...well, you know.

The best way to describe your situation iswhen the kiddies used a makeshift DOS program to constantly access the RNC website in 2004 to get it to crash.  Cute, cheeky, but if it was effective somebody would of done it before them.

Your horribly coded piece of dog dookie coded open source craptacularness that is this forum would be the last on a long list for anyone "important" to concern themselves with.

Nonetheless, i'm giving a probability rate of 1087890% that it's just a political operative/ideologue/bored crazy person with no friends and an internet connection.  Dangerous? Yeah, toxic to a conversation but anything beyond that and he comes into my territory so calm down, kay skippy?  Political operatives are part of the game but if I see shit gettin' more serious than it should for any of your peeps here i'll take care of it...

I AM BATMAN!

I'll be back in Northern Territory in July.

Do videnia!
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by: Black Death @ Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 15:46:32 PM EDT

 

[ Parent ]
You never did me right (4.00 / 2)
I may be fuckin old but you are a fucking twat.

[ Parent ]
Yes, and that thread has (4.00 / 2)
implications about me as well and false claims about what I do as a blogger. I tried to ask about it here and got no answer (so far anyway). People were willing to recommend such claims, even though this poster you quote appeared to say there was nothing to the rumors being floated.

I assumed it was performance art to show how it feels to have false accusations leveled at someone. I don't think anyone in this sad episode really needs to have that spelled out any more than has already happened.


[ Parent ]
False accusations are longtime standard fare No Big Deal.Bigger deals: Banning is now standard fare--Spamming is now standard fare (3.20 / 5)
Running "whack jobs" from "free speech sites" created for the whack jobs is now de rigeur. All courtesy of the "Whack Job Free Zone." Entirely. Its Jay's responsibility. Sure, he's a young pup, but young pups need to man up or they will be forever Pan. Can you see this "leader" doing his thing in a few years time in the "real world?" Uhhh, no.

Killing their own blog is nothing new either. MSOC killed MLW when she banhammered several of us and Peeder picked up the whack jobs and made whiteyspheric history. Jack has done same in reverse, unfortunately. Peeder looks pretty good compared to Jay. Laura looks like Braveheart compared to Jay.

Sorry you arent getting the answers you sought. Havent you noticed them evading questions since November? havent you noticed that the "answers" are always in the form of pushing the blame outward?


[ Parent ]
Well, not "them" evading, (1.00 / 2)
no. But yes, I've noticed a lot of things. I don't assume I have all the answers, though. Clearly I've missed a lot - some of it significant - even though I've been trying to pay attention.

I'm still going with the "young pup" thing, by the way. I know, I know... still he didn't have to pick things up from pff, but he did and nobody else tried to that extent except Miss Devore. And yeah, someone else could have, but they didn't. There's no way I could have done it with my schedule! So, maybe I'm a sucker, but I keep wanting to give fsz a chance.

It was so close, wasn't it at times? So close.


[ Parent ]
not close at all (3.00 / 4)
not in the end when the curtain was pulled back. After that realization there was no way it would ever have been close. It failed in all the most fundamental ways.

You're right. You're missing a lot. But building an edible garden for your family and tending to wounded souls in real life are good reasons to miss a lot of blog noize :o)  

"May we live long and die out"


[ Parent ]
I'll go with that. (2.25 / 4)
For my soul's sake if nothing else.

And thanks. Even as I mourn a little, really.


[ Parent ]
It'll pass (2.33 / 3)
trust me on that :o)

"May we live long and die out"

[ Parent ]
Well, I hope to see you there. (0.00 / 0)
The Zombie War is over.

[ Parent ]
pt, did you see (3.00 / 1)
what was said about me there today? And that people believed it (or at least recommended it)? And that, when questioned about it here, I got a 4chan message about the pool being closed?

Do you think I should get a message from all that? To me, it isn't that I'll be seeing you over there.

Am I missing something? Really?


[ Parent ]
I think that was just a drive by memeing. (3.00 / 2)
so at least you know wtf they were talking about:
http://encyclopediadramatica.c...

Look, FSZ was always the school of hard knocks, as was PFF, were the knives were out.

If you stay in the refugee camp, at least don't accept any wooden nickels.

I'm out of here, foreverz.

Waves to doberman as PT leaves the zoo.


[ Parent ]
oh no! (1.00 / 1)
byes for now, hope you'll stop by again when there's a more meaningful topic to discuss.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
So, do you accept (3.00 / 2)
that I am friends with kos and had the ability to delete Jack's sock accounts (at dK) as asserted at that site and as ignored via 4chan when questioned here?

Do you think I have Asperger's Syndrome and have posted (perhaps as socrates) to harass JSR and his blog, perhaps under the username "socrates"? This part of the plan seems a bit vague though implied at the site to which you invite me.

If you do not accept this, I would appreciate your speaking up there to say so. If you do accept it, I wish you well and will keep my own counsel as heretofore.


[ Parent ]
Whoever believes that IS retarded (4.00 / 2)
no pun intended.

[ Parent ]
oh nice (0.00 / 0)
how was it that you became such a target?

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
I really don't know. (1.00 / 1)
It did hurt, but that was a good thing, I have come to believe.

I am more critical of everything now.

Can I be sad about that, too, though? I want to be... shame on me.


[ Parent ]
well it doesn't sound like a good thing (3.00 / 1)
if it makes you feel bad. i guess you're just mourning a loss.

you seem to have reached bargaining level and i don't know what level comes after that but i hope it's a good one.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory


[ Parent ]
hey vox (2.50 / 2)
left you a comment above.  i do not think you are one of socrates socks and know nothing about the rest.  peace

If you forbid filters, you get deedogg.

[ Parent ]
vox, (4.00 / 3)
I did not see it until this morning. I do not believe it and I left a comment saying so.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."~Bill Hicks

[ Parent ]
wow (3.67 / 3)
I hadn't seen that either. Sounds like tweaker paranoia to me. Just another reason to walk away from this for the time being.

[ Parent ]
Consider this just the latest of numerous BS statements by Jay Emerson over the prior six months (2.00 / 2)
Vox only now has been touched by Mr. Fibbs. He's been on the fence so long his asscrack was about up to his neck anyway....Of course, many of us were exposed much earlier and FSZ has been a dead concept since last November.

Any thots on the spam fest unleashed here after being plotted over there? Are you counseling them with your "wisdom" monk? Or only "us?"

Yur not really yetimonk, are you?

Wanta have some pffake monk debates?


[ Parent ]
Right (3.33 / 3)
spamming with useless meta crap and trying to confuse people with bullshit is only OK when you or minion which may or not also be you do it.

Weren't you just talking about how the good old pff was a website designed for trolls like yourself?  Now you've got one again. Funny how you don't seem to like it when your the one receiving rather than dishing it out.  RIOTOUS!!!!!

I think what you really want is a website where everybody thinks as highly of yourself as you do.  


[ Parent ]
Shure, Jack can spam and push back with his own version, as pffoolishly as he wanst (3.00 / 1)
and has done so with breathtaking pffoolishness over and over and over, up to and including the early hrs of this AM. I'm sure it will commence today too. BRING IT ON!  

I enjoy taking it as well as dishing it out. The problem is you loooosers can neither dish or receive (without crying to blogmomma). Reality is nothing but give and take. You looosers wanted to deny the reality at FSZ, did so, and now you have yur prize: nothing. Free Speech Zone is now the Dead Zone.

RIOTOUS!

And his site died as a result of his own and his sycophants fascistic reactions to humour. Thats why yur here under an a new sock name. As long as you and yur 19 socks keep up spamming, as long as jack keeps up lying, there is an excellent chance that The Dead Zone will forever remain, well, dead.

Another sock name that I created, BTW. So I guess everything I post isnt useless after all....yur wilkkkkomen, BTW.


[ Parent ]
I'll take that (3.00 / 2)
to mean that you admit to spamming useless meta crap and trying to confuse people.

Please tell us again about all your banning war stories.  Not sure which my favorite is yet, the one where you were whining about being banned but were too stupid to realize it was a soapblox glitch, or the one where somebody stole your username but it turned out you were too stupid to figure out how to sign up.

Might as well tell it again.  Otherwise nobody would be talking on this dead zone this morning and we all know the sign of a website's success is how many comments people can make about useless bullshit.



[ Parent ]
never fail to stir (4.67 / 3)
I'll let you decide for yourself if I'm real or if any such thing is even possible.

You I council to get more face tats. Something feminine to balance your forced masculineness...something floral around your mouth maybe.


[ Parent ]
You are not yetimonk..... (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
I doubt I'll be able to live up to (4.00 / 1)
your negative expectations of me. I don't think we've really gone at each other since you were talking about ditching your wife, family and driving record in favor of some heavy drinking. It's been a while.

[ Parent ]
You are not yetimonk.... (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
it is conceivable that I'm mistaken (3.00 / 1)
and I'm willing to entertain the notion
but how could I know for sure whether I am or not?

[ Parent ]
Yes, quite conceivable---drunk ? si ditch the family? nyet (4.00 / 1)
I dont recall our relationship being tendentious, but then one man's humour is another man's drama, so maybe you recall it differently.

You seem more ponderous to me, too...Did you make administrative monk, or wtf?

[:o)


[ Parent ]
you are not donkeytale... (5.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
oh, I see.... (5.00 / 1)
I forgot donkeytale is gone gone gone and you are actually shadow/vicky. Aight. You're right, things weren't tendentious between us. You have to understand when I see the name "donkeytale", I unconsciously reach for the nearest blunt object.

[ Parent ]
pt, did you see (2.00 / 2)
what was said about me there today? And that people believed it (or at least recommended it)? And that, when questioned about it here, I got a 4chan message about the pool being closed?

Do you think I should get a message from all that? To me, it isn't that I'll be seeing you over there.

Am I missing something? Really?


[ Parent ]
Whoops. I can say that again. (0.00 / 0)
sorree

[ Parent ]
Purgatory (3.67 / 3)
turned into purge-atory.

I think many would have picked up the reins if Jack hadn't so quickly, actually. Maybe not me though. I think I was both busy and disaffected at the time.


[ Parent ]
Not in my mind. It wasnt that close. In fact it was always a drop off from PFF, which was awesome (3.20 / 5)
for several months in the beginning but was falling into more of a "social network" as opposed to its original vitality by the time peeder shuttered it.

Most peeps, want to socialize, not politic anyway.

Jack was a troll on PFF, so he looked fairly promising in the beginning. He was in and out, not omnipotent, which a moderator of these sites simply cannot be. Peeder stayed out of the fray by and large. But Jack changed big time once he seized the reins. He flipped a 180 on us whack jobs, for sure.

But no doubt, others would have picked up the slack had he not. There is always another iteration. PFF is too big not to attract soembody. For me, this is like the NBA. Nobody really cares who owns or manages the team. Its all about the talent or the lack thereof. As they are finding out at the "new" un FSZ these daze. Jack wasnt getting enuff props or attention so he had to make some waves. But he capsized his boat in the process. Immature.

Now it is apparent to all that an adult is crucial in the admin role and Laura is fine. Maybe thats why the response from jack is basically trolling the site. He looks a lot less badass than Laura does. Laura doesnt seem afraid or that interested in receiving accolades.

Fear leads to fascist mentality. So does getting your ass kissed incessantly. Its too late for FSZ Vox. No one is going back to that beating on a regular basis. You may be underestimating the betrayal lotsa people felt, as well as the disgust they have felt watching Jay piss his pants on a regular basis. Now this kkkrap. Pathetic.


[ Parent ]
Betrayal. (2.00 / 2)
So strange I have read that word in so many contexts from different directions today.

I think, based on the last twenty-four hours there if nothing else, that it is too late for fsz for me, too. I always feel as if my online protests might make a difference, but I am really pretty ineffective at anything online when it comes down to it. It's been that way since I joined dailyKos thinking it was all pacifism, love and progressivism. Always behind. Always clueless.

In real life, though, I do better. And, would you believe some of it is because of what I try to do here? And what I did there? It's true though. And - heaven help me or not - I can't bring myself to condemn Jack because of what might have been. It's stupid on my part, perhaps. But there it is. And as always (except for our first meeting at pff maybe), thanks for talking to me with respect, whether I deserve it or not. Here I honestly think maybe I don't. Am I being sentimental?


[ Parent ]
vox (4.00 / 4)
you don't have to condemn anybody. what purpose would it serve?

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
None. (3.60 / 5)
And no, I don't. Thank you for the reminder. I have said it elsewhere, but have been unclear here.

Sorry.


[ Parent ]
There's no need to feel guilty, either. (3.50 / 4)
Not every drama has a satisfying ending.  I'm sure there is regret enough to spread around, however, as supersoling said last night to Lauren..."my conscience is clear".  Ditto here.  And no one should have a clearer conscience than you.

This drama, when you think about it, is rather typical.  It was bound to leave everyone involved at least slightly unsatisfied.  


[ Parent ]
I noted yur word "condemn" with respect to Socrates, too, and wondered. Seemed harsh (3.33 / 3)
Im not a condemner. I am an agitator, I am a harsh judge but not really judgmental, if you know what I mean. I am honest critic of peeps, events, operations. Serves me well in business.

I'm less effective in private life, tho, probably becuase I tend to let it all out as I see it. I used to hold it all in.

Everybody liked me but me.

Now I let it out and nobody likes me but me!

RIOTOUS!

Sometimes, nay lots of times, people take offense.

Surprised, arent you?

[:o)


[ Parent ]
Not at all, of course. (0.00 / 0)
And thanks.

[ Parent ]
You are a sophist (2.33 / 3)
All you do is talk in circles with no content or context.

I don't know who all these people are that you mention either. The list just seems to grow.

Those are all big names that are easy to google and figure out.

Quit your sophistry and get to specifics with links and blockquotes.

Cut out the words, and get some specifics, or you know what, don't, but you're not fooling me. I'm getting my ass cybersmeared and instead of listening to your Ned Flander's nothingness, I'd rather scroll around through all the spam troll to find find any rare posts made by people with a clue. You may be sincere {or not}, but it doesn't mean squat, unless you stop being such a shallow fuck.


http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...


[ Parent ]
Are you saying EFG has no clue? (4.00 / 1)
And just how short must a vagina be to have a shallow fuck?

[ Parent ]
No. You are a sophist (4.00 / 1)
This jackass just doesn't get it. Free speech is you post what you got, people comment or do not. This guy socrates is a creep, how he keeps trying to interact with people who hate his guts. I don't care if no one interacts with me, or if people do, that's called freedom of speech and freedom of association. socrates is the reason this forum section sucks. The guy's greasy paws have to be over everything.

http://debatebothsides.com/sho...


[ Parent ]
Are you the droid we're looking for? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
You are your own worst enemy (4.00 / 3)
You claim to have an important message to get out.  A bunch of assholes and socks spam your diary on a free speech zone and you give up!?!  Do you really think that spammers are your biggest obstacle to your credibility as a blogger or to any part of your message getting a fair hearing?  

No.  Your personality and your organizational skills undermine what you claim to be the goals of your work on-line.  From the moment you showed up at FSZ, you have alternated between painful gullibility and extreme suspiciousness, between demanding links and sources from others and lashing out at people who ask you simple questions.

You want to win friends and influence people?  Do your homework (show your footnotes, cross-reference, break the information up into manageable chunks, PROOFREAD).  Stop labeling anyone who questions you "disinfo" and anyone who agrees with you as a potential bff (or even girlfriend).  Real people are nuanced human beings (whose lives don't revolve around you).  Sure, astroturfing happens.  But the levels of proof for particular bloggers being part of such an effort is much higher than what I've seen you claim (or at least have been able to glean from your disorganized information dumps).


[ Parent ]
You're my first 'holy' rating! (0.00 / 0)
Yup yup yup!

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
perfect; my first 'Holy' (0.00 / 0)


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

[ Parent ]
July 17, 2008 (0.00 / 0)
Socrates goes from dial up to high speed.

Why?


This is not good astroturfing buddy, care to explain? (4.00 / 1)
socrates said

Hi, thanks for letting me make the few posts. I respect your rules. If I could just add one more clarification for something I noticed from post #21 by Ike West. A link was given for an article written by Carole Pellatt. The article was lifted and perverted by [name removed by Moderator: TERRES.] Carole is a member of my humble forum. The real story behind this along with her original work as meant to be read can be found in the link in my username. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Reply

terres said

Details of the individual mentioned in your comment were removed because the Moderators were unable to verify the information provided.

Btw, the spiders brought back a picture!


Pinche Tejano is trying to waste people's time (1.00 / 2)
He's not providing links or context. The irony with this example is that it helps to prove my right woos left posts are spot on. That woman's work was stolen and perverted. The editor's name is Don Harkins, and he runs a publication named the Idaho Observer. He is a big Willis Carto fan, and a definite example of right woos left bullshit, as is Pinche Tejano.

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...


[ Parent ]
:) (4.00 / 1)


sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

[ Parent ]
Who are you calling a disinfo hack? (0.00 / 0)
Are you calling EFG a disinfo hack?

[ Parent ]
Noooo! (0.00 / 0)
Mr. Rates in the comment above is calling EFG a "disinfo hack," silly. I would never do such a thing. I'm just kali.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

[ Parent ]
Opps, these damn portals. (0.00 / 0)
I got lost, sorry about that.



[ Parent ]
No, it was this guy calling EFG disinfo hacks! (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Why did you have 19 names on progressiveindependent.com? (4.00 / 2)
And why are you IP banned from Gastronamus?

Jesus dude, and I thought I use to have a sock problem: (4.00 / 1)

Looks like "FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe" AKA = may41970 / Jeff Reynolds / socrates / TROUBLEMAKER" has had a falling out with himself, seems that these fantasy cartoon characters can't even get along with each other let alone anyone else in cyberspace, talk about "Dysfunctional Disassociation", OMFG !

'Jeffie Boy',......if 'may41970' pulled out on you back on the 14th of August, what's up with you and "may41970" tag teaming post here at CTC on the 19th, did you kiss and make up with your little imaginary friend "may41970"? / Ha,.....what a DOPE.

Can you hear the laughter 'Jeffie Boy' ?



[ Parent ]
Okay dude, admiting you proxying: (4.00 / 1)
http://rigint.blogspot.com/200...

Ok, thanks for this opportunity to hash this out. I will not post from proxy for this blog. Basically, he has made some serious accusations against me, same as Tinoire. I am asking you, where is the proof?

Have you ever been taken for a ride by someone? Have you ever trusted someone who let you down?

So here are a few questions I would like to see you answer, if you have the integrity to do so.

Why would a Progressive Independent be alligned with WhatReallyHappened? It doesn't take much research to see that Rivero is shady.

Where is the proof that I have been a disruptor?
I on the other hand have come up with proof of otherwise.

How do you think it makes you look to have banned someone before making one post?

How do you know that those two haven't found ways to gain your confidence, like a cointelpro-like operation would?

People can see my research. They can see that I am no disruptor or liar. They can see some disturbing information now about Arcadia.

"I have known and trusted Et in Arcadia Ego for over two years now. He knows as much about the chemtrail "scene" as anyone out there."

Where has he shared any of this info on your forum. On my thread at ur place, I put up some good info and ideas. If you read closely, he said something about I better not talk about taking actions against planes. He also spread crap that was written by a fakes socrates. I am telling you Mr. Wells, that your simplistic responses to me don't make you look good or fair.

I have compiled his chemtrail ideas from November/December 2006. I have researched the history of the major chemtrail forums. I have a good presentation on chemtrails at my forum. I do not want to "invoke authority," but it is getting to that point where I am imploring you to give me a fair shake. Your credibility is at risk.

"On the other hand, you yourself wrote that you came here with the intention of "infiltrating RI" and "reverse trolling" - whatever that means."

I lived in Ireland. I like to play with the vocabulary. A reverse-troll to me is where one turns the tables on trolls. That's all it meant. I have been getting trolled by people like Arcadia for the last year. I went to your place to pin him down with his chemtrail views. You should reread what he wrote. He was out of control. He was mean-spirited. Your supporting him did make it seem that "chemmies" better watch their step at your place. Of course, when it comes to the crazier ideas about chemtrails, he is no where to be found.

"I consider Tinoire to be a reasonable person, as well as a friend, so your attack on her is further reason to trust that Et in Arcadia Ego knows what he's talking about."

Would someone fair manipulate the order of posts to try to make it seem I was a disruptor? She did that. Someone posted the word "jewboy" at PI, and I called them out for it. She banned me for that. Then the Zionist website came up with the proof that she banned me for no good reason. So I went there to thank them. I then asked them to take a look at my research on Rivero and his forum. They never did. Then I asked them if they could point out any criticism from their website about Israeli govt. immoral actions. All I got were crickets a chirping.

I will stop here. I am for real. I am not a disruptor. The word gets out who is for real and who isn't. A guy like Fintan Dunne can only fool people for so long. If you want to continue to trash my name based on the word of others along with no proof, I'll just say that you are headed into the Fintan Dunne zone, if you aren't already there.

I have done more for chemtrails awareness than Arcadia. He has turned into a debunker. I uncovered stuff on him and Tinoire that make it seem that I am the honest one, not them. If people want to, they can find that info.

Why is the Progressive Independent in bed with Michael Rivero? It doesn't add up. Why are both Arcadia and Tinoire astroturfing that crazy psy-op that I am a disinfo agent with sock puppets? I am telling you Mr. Wells, I have proof that a psy-op has been put in place against me. I used screenshots, saved web pages. I have proven my case. You are either in cahoots with them or have been taken for a ride by them.

I am telling you, I have the proof.

"socrates" m.a., m.ed.

You said you didn't know how to proxy and couldn't, care to explain?


"Your credibility is at risk." LOL (4.00 / 1)
"I lived in Ireland"

.....notice all his defamation leads back to Mike Rivera. They have been trying to shut him down for years.

http://www.progressiveindepend...


[ Parent ]
This is funny: (4.00 / 2)
Evoking authority doesn't mean squat. You sound like you are reading from some social-psychological paid troll handbook. Your ilk are not fooling anyone. The extensive, scripted lunacy is evidence that chemtrails are real. 98% of you don't debate fair, because you are paid to post.

Right out of the Rove handbook, attack with your own faults!

I wonder who this is?

I am a 65 yr old man, heterosexual and faithful, happily married for forty years, with a beautiful and intelligent wife, two beautiful and intelligent professionally-qualified daughters, and an energetic and intelligent 8 year old grandson (and another's on its way!). I have never lied or cheated throughout my life. I am an inventor, composer, and artist. I owe no-one anything (apart from my wife) and am successful and happy.

What have you done, apart from LIE? (Rhetorical, but he didn't understand that...)



[ Parent ]
LOL...well he fooled 2/3's of this website... (4.00 / 1)
[ Parent ]
Don't be daft! (4.00 / 2)
He is 2/3 of this website.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

[ Parent ]
ROFLOL....are we taking bets on who his socks are?? (4.00 / 2)
[ Parent ]
It would be (4.00 / 2)
less complicated to bet on who he isn't.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!

[ Parent ]
Again with the proxies! (0.00 / 0)
I used a proxy to get into Carnicom's where I found out about this.

You know what's funny? You didn't shield your gateway.


[ Parent ]
You and your lies are time wasters (1.00 / 1)
Carnicom doesn't allow me to read at his forum. He banned me for confronting him over his ties to a neonazi named Jeff Rense. That was after he deleted a post of mine asking why Kathaksung is allowed to spam his kooky conspiracy theory crap.

This one is for Mattes who now has Tinoire in her signature.

Note: If you are to the right of the brown line, this website is not for you.

But here she was pimping for Ron Paul.

Here is what she has at the top of her links page.

It appears Tinoire is not the type of person she is looking for according to the graphic above.

Ha, I just noticed she has deleted a post proving I was correct that someone used the term Jewboy. She said I had lied.

posted by Virgil:
...Show me reality. Get as real as you can. Start a website and have the citizens gather to show their own big realities. Say socialism. Say depleted uranium. Say no more empire. Say getting the Jewboys out of American politics isn't antisemen- its pro-humanity and pro-American...
scrubbed link

The Progressive Independent Appears to be Cointelpro

A PSU first?! KUDOS to a PI'er!

http://davefromqueens2.blogspo...
http://allaircraftarenotinvolv...


[ Parent ]
Are you calling Ron Paul a Jewboy? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
I prefer this Texas Jewboy: (0.00 / 0)

I think Socrates wants be our new Jewboy.


[ Parent ]
So Progessive Independent works for our government. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
btw, come in number nine is a great midi song. (4.00 / 1)
good work! How long have you been doing midi composition?

I do believe (4.00 / 2)
this may require an entire homage site: socky's greatest hitz.

Quite the freekshoo.

sockalicious to the last drop of meta smoothie!


[ Parent ]
"My goal as a blogger has simply been to promote peacenik ideology." (4.00 / 1)
I Am Not Anonymous
by: Prepostericity
Sun Apr 26, 2009 at 22:52:14 PM PDT

My story is true. There are people who know my real name. Jeff Ferrell of KSLA News12 Louisiana, freelance reporter Joseph Lauria, and Mark Singer of the New Yorker know who I am, and where I live. I noticed a few posters are advising Maryscott O'Connor to file a complaint with the FBI against me. That is the only reason I am writing this final post for this domain. I pose no threat to that person or anyone else. I am not a stalker, a troll, or mentally ill. I was abused by this forum with words. I fought back with words.

Prepostericity :: I Am Not Anonymous

My blogging story is true. I have uncovered a few big stories. I am a decent writer and thinker. I tried my best to becoming a somebody through the internet. I now acknowledge that this last segment of my activities has been akin to beating my head against the wall. Thus, I have decided to retreat to my own few caged in free speech zones, where I needn't take any more verbal abuse.

When I first got here, I offered Maryscott O'Connor my personal information. That is hardly the act of someone trying to harrass anyone anonymously. I am using this opportunity to declare my withdrawal from the Pffugeecamp.com website and this one. If anyone wishes to read my stuff, I will be at All Aircraft Are Not Involved writing at my blog in the form of a forum.

It is my conclusion that the internet is a closed shop dominated by political operatives, disinfo merchants, and syncophants who keep quiet about internal contradictions in order to maintain posting privileges at various domains.

I should never have been banned as Prepostericity by the Daily Kos. I was victimised by the UGOG/KosKops. That led to me learning about David Weintraub. It led me to FSZ and this forum. I have had an action packed three or so years on the internet. I simply now realise that there is no place to go, where folks can be themselves and get a fair shake. But you all carry on and good luck. I hear you have a big following in India. Alexa reports that approximately two-thirds of your users are from that country. Maybe someone can come up with a true explanation for that. Maybe they can also figure out how a con artist named Brett Kimberlin has risen to the top of the "election integrity" movement on the net. Maybe they can actually look up to the skies and see that the white-outs are deliberate and are some kind of sunblock for harmful uv-b rays. I'm not saying that the weather mitigation is good for us, for why all the secrecy?

To repeat yet again, I have never used sock puppets. I have on occasion returned to forums as a "zombie" when I felt I had been unfairly banned and felt the urge to get in some more words.

Finally, as I wrote as NoMoreKosHate at DKos, the quick solution to the world's problems is an immediate and drastic reduction in military spending and the spy industry. An end to the atrocities committed in Israel would also serve us all well in diffusing worldwide animosity. Maybe some of you will also wake up and see how a vast rightwing industry has been using the internet for insidious divide and conquer astroturfing. Google Willis Carto, Jeff Rense, Michael Rivero, and Hal Turner to name a few. Those are all rightwingers and all anti-Jewish. The left is not the problem. Tinoire of Progressive Independent, for example, is not leftwing. Folks cannot support Michael Rivero and Ron Paul and then consider themselves as lefties.

A lot of people like to throw out the words disinfo and stalking a lot, but I have been a victim of those things for over two years. I can prove it.

Can any of you get Markos to explain the crazy timeline concerning himself and the CIA that is based on his own words?

I could go on and on. But I'll stop here. My goal as a blogger has simply been to promote peacenik ideology. Beware of the political operatives running around as if they are regular guys. Beware of the cognitive dissonance.

http://www.myleftwing.com/show...

http://www.progressiveindepend...


[ Parent ]
Odd, we are Anonymous. (4.00 / 2)
What does Socrates have against anonymous?

[ Parent ]
What do you have against Anonymous Socrates? (4.00 / 1)
Is it because Ron Paul is a Jewboy disinfo hack?

I heard that Ron Paul (0.00 / 0)
works for the government!

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

[ Parent ]
You sir, win at the internet. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Great! (4.00 / 1)
Here's a fair question. What do you think of this?

THE "CHEMTRAILS" CON-TRICK
Current mood:  calm

There is a new and ominous controversy concerning aircraft contrails and their supposed ill-effects.  People with little or no scientific understanding are whipping up a furore over - nothing.  This tends to leave all the real ills of the world unattended, and let's face it, those we know of already are too great and too many to be sufferable.  But how much worse it is when the (already!) deluded dream up new imaginary ills!  With too much on our plates already, we are forced to concern ourselves with additional spurious delusions which, if they were to be taken seriously, would diminish our capacity to adapt to change, and ultimately to survive the upcoming onslaught.

A typical passenger transport plane (medium haul) burns 7 tons of fuel and unloads 7 tons of ice and 4 tons of gaseous oxides (mostly carbon dioxide) into the tropopause, which is the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere.

The troposphere contains about 80% of the atmosphere and is the part of the atmosphere in which we live, and make weather observations. In this layer, average temperatures decrease with height. This is known as adiabatic cooling, i.e. a change in temperature caused by a decrease in pressure. Even so, it is still more prone to vertical mixing by convective and turbulent transfer, than other parts of the atmosphere. These vertical motions and the abundance of water vapour make it the home of all important weather phenomena.

The troposphere's thermal profile is largely the result of the heating of the Earth's surface by incoming solar radiation. Heat is then transferred up through the troposphere by a combination of convective and turbulent transfer. This is in direct contrast with the stratosphere, where warming is the result of the direct absorption of solar radiation.

The troposphere is around 16 km high at the equator, with the temperature at the tropopause around 80 °C. At the poles, the troposphere reaches a height of around 8 km, with the temperature of the tropopause around 40 °C in summer and -60 °C in winter.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/ed...

Annual passenger jet aircraft fuel consumption is estimated to be 300 million tons.

http://www.after-oil.co.uk/run...

The weight of the atmosphere is 5.25 petatonnes.

http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/...

One can see that, as a proportion of the weight of the atmosphere, the burnt fuel comprises FIVE MILLIONTHS OF A PER CENT.  It would take TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS at today's rate of air travel, (and believe me THAT CANNOT happen - fossil fuel will be gone in twenty years!) to half-fill our atmosphere with contrail gases.

Now, the water, the gaseous oxides and sulphates MAY have an appreciable effect on Global Warming, but are as NOTHING when compared with the Earth's volcanoes.

There are 1,500 active volcanoes on land and maybe TEN THOUSAND active volcanoes under the sea.   Beneath are a few links:

http://content.scholastic.com/...
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/to...
http://green.nationalgeographi...

The term "active" means "constantly emitting steam, gases, magma, and ash".  It is hard to quantify the total emitted by the land volcanoes, but let us assume they average a million tons of each per year.  That will give us fifteen hundred million tons of steam, fifteen hundred million tons of gases, fifteen hundred million tons of magma, fifteen hundred million tons of ash.

To put that estimate into perspective, the largest known eruption, Tambora, put 200 million tons of sulphur dioxide ALONE into the atmosphere in a single event!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/...

Getting back to the point, it can be reasonably argued that contrails are at least FIFTEEN TIMES LESS IMPORTANT THAN VOLCANOES when it comes to having an effect on our atmosphere.  Our atmosphere and ocean are in fact MADE FROM VOLCANO EMISSIONS.  How on Earth did we/can we survive?  Those emissions have been/are being "air-conditioned" over four billion years BY LIFE.  We're under no risk as long as we don't kill our forests or sea plankton.  Now, THERE IS A REAL ISSUE!

So forget all this bullfish about contrails.  You can bet your boots that anyone who advocates this idea is an ignorant dupe.  And yes, I have at least one person in mind.......

Oh, and yes.  A mile of "chemtrails" comprises enough "chemicals" (water, carbon dioxide) to exactly fill a crate-full of soda-pop bottles.  They contain NO metallic particles which might end up willy-nilly slaughtering bees!  (It would be as well to pass the products through a charcoal filter to remove the SOX, NOX, and trace hydrocarbons - but then Bob's yer uncle!)

Soda-pop, anyone?  Thirsty work, this debunking!



Jazzroc! (3.50 / 2)
I love your midi music! It's really a lost art.

[ Parent ]
So what happened the last time you caught socrates in a liteny of lies? (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Oh, here's another of Socrates battles (4.00 / 1)
http://www.flickr.com/groups/9...

Isn't this great socrates? I'm getting all your old fans back together!


[ Parent ]
SAAAAA-WYYYY SOCRATEEZ! (4.50 / 2)
GOTTA CLOZE THE POOL NOW!

BLACK UP! COPZ COMIN!



AIDS was in the pool. Never forget. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Total fucking lulz..... (0.00 / 0)
I assume more are coming to play?

Fuck.

[ Parent ]
Jack, (5.00 / 1)
why did you say what you said about me at fsz today?

Do you really believe that?


[ Parent ]
up sorry! (0.00 / 0)
Pools Closed Pictures, Images and Photos

AIDS IN THE POOL

TRY 4Chan


[ Parent ]
I see. (0.00 / 0)
No answer?

So this is 4Chan.


[ Parent ]
Pool Just Closed. (0.00 / 0)
We'll greet Socrates at the next board!

[ Parent ]
Jeff Reynolds. Republican right wing psycho fuck. (0.00 / 0)


Fucking hilarious.



Nope. (4.20 / 5)
socrates created that HANDLE at a chemtrail site to fuck with someone named 'Jay Reynolds'. Why this is so hard to fucking see is beyond me. It's all in his 'dossier', and that bit stands out even if you aren't really paying attention, like me.

So there is a comment where he says something like 'I already admitted to being 'Jeff Reynolds' but it's taken out of context, what follows is him saying he created that username to fuck with someone. And there is a link to that specific site in one of those diaryz over at FSZ which contains a thread with 'Jeff Reynolds'(socrates) attacking a 'JayReynolds', who seems like a true, established believer in whatever little fantasy world that this particular chemtrail board is trying to convey.



[ Parent ]
Thanks (3.00 / 1)
for clarifying that

[ Parent ]
Guess we'll have to wait and see how many people notice yet ANOTHER plainly obvious fact (3.50 / 2)


[ Parent ]
?? (0.00 / 0)
And I suppose you are not going to share...I just think he's another GIYUS member- Give Israel Your United Support, a project of the World Union of Jewish Students.

Of course pretending to be the exact opposite. Just like on the chemtrail boards, but with some more formal training.

http://www.progressiveindepend...


[ Parent ]
Share what? (4.00 / 3)
I was merely stating the facts as they appeared over at fsz, I have no inside info on...anyone. My post was out of exasperation, since this is the second time in so many days that important facts have been overlooked, and that little spam fest that resulted the other night was solely based on (obviously)bad info. That has now grudgingly been accepted.

And besides, because pffugee probably exceeded the bandwidth and monthly space allotment I'll have to fork over a yet unknown amount of $/gb. Because of a silly lie directed towards an even sillier person. You're damn right I'm gonna clarify the obvious when such a chance arises!


[ Parent ]
And how... (3.75 / 4)
ANY truth about this psychotic is supposed to leak into the consciousness is beyond me.

So, I think I'm just going to stick with, "This fuckwit is most likely a right wing psychotic fuck."

Even if his name ISN'T Jeff Reynolds.

Which it isn't, as you've now pointed out. But who the fuck knows or cares. At this point, it's beyond irrelevant. What IS relevant is that he's a goddamned psychotic fuck.


[ Parent ]
How anyone sees you as anything but an inanimate object is beyond me (1.00 / 1)
MSOC you are a laff riot.

You calling anyone else psychotic?

Priceless....heard back from the FBI yet? Did you pass along "Jeff Reynolds" as the name of your "stalker?"

Shirley, you can believe and trust anything you read at the Dead Zone.

Bet on it.


[ Parent ]
Ok this is getting stupid again (0.00 / 0)
I have deleted the following comment which used to be posted directly above, because it has personal info in it. I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHOSE INFO IT 'MAY HAVE BEEN'.

Speaking of PSYCHOTIC socrates,.... (0.00 / 0) [delete comment]

It seems that Lou Aubuchont got some dope on this DOPE socrates /Jeff Reynolds a while back from Brad Friedman of the Brad Blog and he has been kind enough to share that information with a few people.
I have a copy of an email that Brad sent to Lou about socrates being banned at the Brad Blog and it contains an email address that socrates used, using the name (PERSONAL INFO), it seems that this socrates is some kind of a internet stalker and that he is obviously seriously mentally ill. (whoever he really is.)

From what I have been able to learn about this socrates, he has been banned form numerous forums for his outrageous craziness and libelous attacks on people.

I was informed that Lou Aubuchont has nothing to do with this crazy guy anymore because socrates is just such a raving fanatic that has stalked and attacked him relentlessly,probably ignoring socrates is the best thing that anyone can do regarding this maniac.

As far as I can tell,Socrates or whatever he is calling himself at the moment dosn't need anyone to "Cybersmear" him as he likes to portray others as doing, I believe he is managing to do a very good job of that all by himself with all of his fanatic attacks on others. He likes to tag others as being FAKES but in truth HE is the true FAKE if you ask me.

______________________________________  

(Excerpt from Brad Friedman email to Lou Aubuchont.)

Lou -

Sorry I wasn't able to reply to your initial query. Sorrier still, much, that you've had to contend with "Socrates" who, once seeming a rather reasonable, if occasionally over-eager fellow, seems to have gone completely over the edge. Way over. As you may have noticed from some of his public writings (which I now see include re-postings of some of my private emails), he's...um...a bit unbalanced. He has, within the last six months, turned his whacky accusations against me as well, to the point where eventually we had to ban him at BRAD BLOG (only to have him continuously try to work around that ban, to post more stuff and nonsense.)

To the heart of your question, nobody appears to have used the IP (IP ADDRESS) to comment at The BRAD BLOG, as far as I can find (unless it was a comment that was deleted for some reason, and therefore doesn't otherwise show up in a search of all existing comments).

The comments by "Mike", as he mentions in that comment you pointed me to (#93 at the debatebothsides.com URL you referenced) refers to the IP address: (IP ADDRESS) , rather than the one you sent me as above.

That latter IP does show up, as mentioned in the private note of mine he seems to have published, and the comments from "Mike", from that address, are posted at these specific links:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5836 (2 comments from "Mike" on that page)

and

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5850 (4 comments from "Mike" on that page)

In truth, I don't suspect "Socrates" is anything more than an over-obsessed guy who drove himself into a wormhole of obsessive paranoia, turned into some form of mostly-harmless -- if incredibly psychotic and rage-filled -- internet craziness. Yes, he continues to post everywhere, is certain that I am one of those "CIA-sponsored Internet fakes" you mention (whatever that means, and oh that I wish I was, cuz I could use the money! ;-)  But he has become increasingly destructive and aggressive over many months, and I'm sorry to hear that you guys have become the latest targets in his obsessions.

I do know that he has also been recently been banned at DU (DemocraticUnderground.com) for posting similarly libelous stuff about folks. There he posted under the name "prepostericity" as I recall.

And, since he had the courtesy of sharing my email address publicly, I'm happy to share the one that he used with me in private mail, with you. That was: (PERSONAL INFO) and, for your dancing pleasure (so you know you're not alone), here's the most recent email I received from him, from October of last year.

From: (PERSONAL INFO)
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:50 AM
To: Brad.Friedman@cville.com
Subject: RE: You're A Scumbag!

You're not fooling anyone, neither you or your murdering bomber boss.

Your website is a piece of shit, as are you. Your moderator is a fake. Your posters are fake. You are a fucking fake. Fuck you, spook! Fuck you Brad. I mean it. Go to fucking hell, you rightwing piece of shit. Go to fucking hell!

******

The note went unresponded to.

Beyond that, my best advice is to simply -- and completely -- ignore the guy and, hopefully, he'll eventually go away.

Good luck!

Brad
___________________

With socrates playing so many characters across the internet,I would not be surprised to find out that he truly has a very real multiple personality disorder or like mental condition,one thing is certain,the guy is full of BS and he is POISON .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

by: TheReaper @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 02:02:59 AM EDT



Where did that Reaper comment come from? (0.00 / 0)
This diary has been dead for weeks.  A few days ago, donkeytale and I were talking about socrates elsewhere.  But you gotta wonder why some one feels the need to come here out of the blue and bash a poster who's long gone.

[ Parent ]
Idle hands, if you ask me (0.00 / 0)
It's happening on fsz too.


[ Parent ]
where? (0.00 / 0)
i looked but did not find.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
here's some of it (4.00 / 1)
http://www.freespeechzoneblog....

Maybe I'm lacking backstory but it's a bloody righteous struggle to try to understand why the 'feud' is still being fueled.

Shit being posted from pre-pff days and whatnot.


[ Parent ]
jeez (5.00 / 1)
seems like there's more than one feud going on. i have a hard time following copy and paste like that so i give up and declare that i don't care.

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

[ Parent ]
Even if (3.67 / 3)
d-tale is all of the awful things that are being claimed about him (and more), it still doesn't mean that Jack has been forthright or responsible.  There are enough other Kos Kops and sockpuppets over at FSZ, that you wonder why these particular targets have been chosen.

[ Parent ]
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