Does Obama Condone Police Violence Against Occupy Protesters?

by: fairleft

Thu Nov 17, 2011 at 11:21:38 AM EST

(Sorry this is a couple days late, but still worthy of thoughts/comments . . . finally had time to make a special trip to the kids clubhouse here to post it.)

From his complete silence on the issue, even after the Scott Olsen incident (afterwards he reminded the demonstrators to play nice but said nothing about the video-taped police brutality), I think we have the answer to that, or does President Obama think silence means he escapes presidential responsibility to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights against police violence? Anyway, further confirmation Tuesday from AP:

fairleft :: Does Obama Condone Police Violence Against Occupy Protesters?
Obama: Each city must decide how to handle Occupy Wall Street demonstrations

President Barack Obama's spokesman is suggesting the president believes it's up to New York and other municipalities to decide how much force to use in dealing with Occupy Wall Street demonstrations.

... He said the administration's position is that each municipality has to make its own decisions about how to handle these issues.

When OWS demonstrators' constitutional rights to assembly and free speech are violated, the President is silent. Mayors, do as you please.

P.S. For more on police violence at Zucotti Park and toward news reporters covering the removal of protesters there, read Reporters Say Police Denied Access to Protest Site.

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Does saying that renounce obvious and perfunctory DHS involvement? (0.00 / 0)
Obama DGAF.

I heard about that. (0.00 / 0)

To be fair, it sounds more like 'advised' than 'coordinated'.

Update: 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials
Rick Ellis, Minneapolis Top News Examiner
November 15, 2011

Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict "Occupy" protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night's move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies.

The official, who spoke on background to me late Monday evening, said that while local police agencies had received tactical and planning advice from national agencies, the ultimate decision on how each jurisdiction handles the Occupy protests ultimately rests with local law enforcement.

According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present.


For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Bad Dreams Come True (4.00 / 2)
Obama supports Wall Street. He's against the protestors. He's for arresting, incarcerating and identifying all protestors. He wants the protestors to stop protesting and he is in favor of undermining them in any way possible.

After all, he was elected by Wall Street and appointed Wall street to advise him on economic matters in the form of his cabinet.

There is no ambiguity.

His only ambiguity is that he's not too interested in being president for a second term and he's too weak to make up his mind so he's going to half heartedly go through the motions of running and for that reason alone, he is bound to lose.

However, he might be convinced to do some very stupid things along the way. World leaders generally are at their stupidest when the people around them start worrying about their status. Like allow, support the bombing of Iran.

Nothing has changed. There will be an economic collapse, probably right after the election, no matter who wins.

It seems all the horrors we imagined that could never happen to us, will.

Maybe I'm overreacting, I hope so. I don't want to be around for this, not in the USA if it happens.

It means something 'fundamentally evil' that Obama sez nothing. (0.00 / 0)

This slow-moving horror show of the last 30 years is directed at us, and the climax will be the next three years (come back in 2014 and ask me if I was prescient). The cop matter-of-factedly close-up pepper spraying the peaceful protesters, this is how Obama and his 1% best friends feel about the rest of us.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Brawndo. (4.00 / 1)
EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

fla town will get a commission (4.00 / 2)
on each prisoner who gets sent to their jail.

In the latest version of the deal, calling for some 1,500 beds, Southwest Ranches could earn more than $1.5 million annually if ICE keeps the center filled year round. CCA officials say the number is closer to $400,000, in part because many beds may not always be filled, with another $400,000 in real estate taxes.

The 13-square mile town, which prides itself on low taxes, needs the revenue, recently telling the federal government it was struggling to meet its $9 million budget.

"We'll get a commission on every bed, I get that," said Bramhall. "But it bothers me that for my city, (such a large section) is now going to be from a jail. It's not really a selling point."

The defectors have started an underground railroad to smuggle other rebels out of hostile territory

did the Mooslim Broze (1.00 / 1)
make a major tactical mistake by unleashing protesters in Tahrir Square so close to elections?

Will there be elections next week?

Many are now worried the violence will delay the elections and entrench military rule.

Already, some liberal and leftist politicians and political alliances have suspended their campaigns.

Meanwhile, the political party of the Muslim Brotherhood, the most organized group in Egypt that is poised to dominate the polls, is carrying on with its campaigning, and has not called on its members to join the protests, though it organized a peaceful protest Friday.

It has condemned the police and military violence against protesters.

"We don't need to go in direct competition with police and the army, because we need now the situation to be more relaxed and more quiet than this," says Walid Haddad, a spokesman for the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party. "We need the elections to be on the (scheduled) date. If the situation becomes worse than this, I think the army may decide to postpone or cancel the elections."

Bassem Kamel, a parliamentary candidate for the liberal Egyptian Social Democratic Party, said an election delay to allow the vote to take place in peace and security was preferable, but in the meantime he is sticking to the campaign trail.

"I have to, because I can't afford to quit my campaign and let the other parties go and win these elections," he said. "I'm sure the Islamists are still campaigning, and I have to be with them [on the campaign trail]."

But the member of the Revolutionary Youth Coalition is finding time, amid the campaign stops, to head to Tahrir Square to support the protesters.

the Islamists had all the momentum. Eye bet they're banging their heads against the wall asking why they didn't wait till after elections to start protesting. Eye'd wager that whichever mubro decided to call for protests on Fri. is prolly hanging by his thumbs as eye type this.


Now the military is poised to delay said elections. They say no, but how can you hold elections in such a volatile climate?

The broze have possibly stepped into it big time. All the army needs to do is to hire a few rabble rousers, ensure that the "violence" continues, and elections are off.

stoopid broze


just ignore (4.00 / 1)
the extra wirds

crossposted on goyimsansfrontieres


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and in Syrian news: (0.00 / 0)
Insurgents Attack Party Offices in Syrian

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Insurgents fired rocket-propelled grenades at the offices of the ruling Baath Party in Damascus on Sunday in a highly symbolic strike that signaled a new chapter in the eight-month uprising against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad.

It was the second attack in days in the capital, which had so far largely been spared the unrest in other cities.

Whether it caused any casualties or significant damage was unclear, but coming amid a series of other assaults, along with growing sectarian strife in Homs, Syria's third-largest city, it could augur a turn to a protracted armed struggle.

Diplomatic efforts to end the conflict also foundered on Sunday as the Arab League rejected a Syrian effort to amend a so-far ineffectual peace agreement, and Mr. Assad said in a newspaper interview that he had no choice but to continue his military campaign against dissidents and vowed that he was prepared to fight and die if needed.

Military defectors and armed insurgents have carried out attacks on government installations since the start of the uprising eight months ago, but the attack in Damascus on Sunday was the first to strike at the heart of the government's base.

Assad the Sadist would rather the Syrian Arabs endure a bloodbath than relinquish power.

And uber leftist aholes pray he holds onto power! "Kill as many as you want," they exhort! "Just stay! We love you Assad! Viva Assad! Viva the Tyrant!"



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z (0.00 / 0)

But while unity reappeared in the square, where Coptic Christians once again stood guard as their Muslim compatriots bowed to pray, the political class remained deeply polarized over what sort of civilian government might succeed the military. Liberals and Islamists continued to battle each other in back-room arguments over the question of what rules the military might set for the selection of a constitutional convention, even as the street protesters demanded that the military give up such authority.


But the MB also issued a pointed challenge to "politicians and intellectuals," presumably referring to Egyptian liberals. Many have urged the adoption of some sort of ground rules protecting Western-style civil liberties before a potential Islamist majority of the Parliament might dominate the constitutional convention. The military acted on those suggestions to present the liberals with a kind of devil's bargain: a declaration that would have protected individual and minority rights, but also granted the military permanent political powers and immunity from scrutiny as the guardian of "constitutional legitimacy."

"Will you respect the will of the people or will you turn against it?" the brotherhood statement read, in a direct challenge to the liberals. "Your credibility is now on the line, and we hope that you will not turn against it."

Some of Egypt's liberals, meanwhile, said they were prepared to accept the latest revisions of the military's ground rules, which pared back the military's special powers and immunities. But it also would impose a requirement of a two-thirds majority of the new Parliament to approve the 100 members of a new constitutional committee, potentially limiting the power of an Islamist majority. The brotherhood, in turn, objected to that provision as unworkable.

Most liberals or secular leaders remain divided into many competing parties and factions.

The Muslim Brotherhood wants domination pure and simple, even with a bare majority in Parliament. They will not acknowledge minority rights. And note how they are aggressively taking it to the liberals on this issue.

Liberals need to fight for their rights now, not only against the military, but the uncompromising Islamists as well. None of that "wait till later shit. The mubros ain't waiting till later. They are in power grab mode, as always.


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uh oh (0.00 / 0)
"I'm scared that this will mar the election," said Mahmoud Salem, a prominent blogger and activist running for parliament. He said he put his campaign on hold and is spending all his time in the square. "How can we hold elections with this violence?" he said.

At least two other prominent candidates suspended their campaigns in solidarity with the protesters: the founder of the reformist Kefaya movement, George Ishaq, and the co-founder of the liberal Egypt Freedom Party, Amr Hamzawy. A coalition of revolutionary parties called the Revolution Continues also froze its campaign.

In addition, a news conference scheduled for Monday by the State Information Service, to present final arrangements for voting day, was abruptly postponed, and a new date was not set.

The mubros have shot themselves in the foot.


re:the protesters

But the bid to launch what some tout as a "second revolution" is snarled by politics, with Egypt coming up on key parliament elections only a week away. The loose coalition of groups that led the 18-day uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak in February is fragmented. In particular, the Muslim Brotherhood, which gave the first revolution powerful muscle, so far refuses to take to the streets again, fearing the turmoil will derail elections it expects to dominate.

the mubros want everyone to go home and shut the fuck up. They have an election to win and a country to steal!

who's the stoopid sob who had the lame brain idea to protest on Fri, unleashing these volatile, uncontrollable forces which might derail the elections!

Off with his head!


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Anonymous takes on the mubros (0.00 / 0)

The Muslim Brotherhood started as a benevolent group of people with fair and just intentions. However, as decades went by, corruption seized its mission of good and turned it into a power-hungry organization bent on taking over soverign arab states in its quest to seize power from them. They say this is necessary in order to unify the muslim nations into one islamic state, which is a lie.

We will not allow this to happen.


If you were to leave the Brotherhood or present any threat to it, they would take it to offense and begin to intimidate you and put your life as well as your loved ones in danger. This has been experienced by many former followers of the Brotherhood, including citizens in the United States and Great Britain who realized they made a terrible mistake. The Muslim Brotherhood is a threat that must be dealt with.


Infused with its blatant, corrupt ways, the Brotherhood is now a threat to the people.

Therefore, Anonymous has decided to destroy the Muslim Brotherhood. We shall proceed to dismantle any form of its organization from the internet. Nothing will stop us. We will show no mercy.

Anonymous knows what's up with the fascist broze.

btw - Anonymous got the "We Are Legion" declaration from the pinches on pff.


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WHat dumfuckery (5.00 / 1)
So "Anonymous" is siding with the brutal US-approved Egyptian military?  Against elections?

Go figure I guess.  

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You forgot the projection alert (5.00 / 1)
WHat dumfuckery

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aah- the urban dictionary. that's the stuff n/t (5.00 / 1)

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Check this out....I'm almost as bigtime as you... (5.00 / 1)
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That's nuts (5.00 / 1)
I've got cyberstalkers reading my every word. It's creepy, but I love to blog. Clearly that entry is referring to you. Yes, you are one of The Legends of Blogging.

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No doubt, you are the new King of the Whiteysphere. It was time for Francis to relinquish the throne, especially as he seems to have abdicated (5.00 / 1)
In fact, there has been a flurry of acvtivity surrounding your schtick, including liberally quoting of your recent comments and links to pffugeecamp. I was going to ask Fraulein Laura if she has noticed a bump in our numbers?

I'm being methodically edited out which I admit sort of rankles me, but I spent at least an hour online last night looking at court documents, emails, even listening to snippets of the fabled audiotape of the damages hearing.

Some doof named Brynaert seems to be leading the charge. Curiously, he also appears to have it in for Rockschnaudlser and LaLa, so perhaps there is an opening there to exploit in your battles agains t the coalition of the willing socrates bashers.
But, clealry, the sophisticated cyberscripters are turning up the heat a few notches.

The main target however remains Brightfart and Patterico.

But its clear the other side is lobbing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets at your melon, too.

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You nailed it (5.00 / 1)
I'm humble, so I'm not referring to your kind opinion I am at the top of the whiteysphere.

I like this so far, and it is a bit like Cosell and Ali. You may feel slighted now, but you're definitely a player.

I felt slighted when Liberty Chick did her Kimberlin schtick. Later on she told me she'd seen my schtick while researching. We've become friends.

If you see any trolls popping up here linking to that thing you mentioned, please have Laura delete it. Part of the court agreement to obtain audio is that it cannot be circulated in public.

I have notified youtube and the Court.

There are other actions being undertaken, but I don't want to show all my cards.

Brynaert is Mr. Passive-Aggressive. There are theories about him. He appears to be the proverbial double agent. He is the ultimate Mr. Concern Troll.

That audio is from the first hearing. I went to two hearings. It's the last one that you won't see illegally posted, because I kicked total ass.

The other one was meant to be the damages hearing but got extended.

I don't think Brynaert has anything in for those two people you mentioned. It's been just me the last couple years doing the fake lefty schtick on Raw Story, Barf Blog, et al. Brynaert is trying to steal my schtick. When pressed to share when in the past he's critiqued certain things, he said something like duh, they were my associates so it was done in private. Isn't that special.

The ultimate target is definitely Breitfart and his buddy Patterico.

It's part of the donation schtick. Just check out Indict Breitfart dot Org.

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I guess the Egyptians (4.00 / 1)
have now learned that "the people and the army are one" is bullshit.  Wonder how long that will take in America?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

They're actually pretty smart over there, not to mention courageous. It took the backing of the Army to get rid of Mubarak. (0.00 / 0)
This is phase two.

Its not realy a matter of "knowing," its a matter of doing. Thats the challenge. Are you willing to catch a rubber bullet in the face?

At least this proves my (and others) longheld point: one day on the streets demonstrating is worth several billion an infinite number of words blogging in protest.

Besides, Amerika doesn't have a conscripted Army (unlike Egypt), so nobody here really pays that much attention to it. The rank and file soldier and their families are bought off and no one else has a personal connection.

When the shiite hits the fan in Egypt (and anywhere where there is a Revolution) the reaction of the Military rank and file (below seniour officers, that is) will tell most of the story in the end. Whither goest they so goes the rebellion.

Ask Lenin and Trotsky.

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Feminists hail new rape definition (0.00 / 0)

Of course a woman forcing a man to have sex still doesn't count as rape.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

just tell her you have HIV (0.00 / 0)
And you're out of condoms.

If she has one pull it on too hard and break it.

If she has more than one accuse her of being a whore and tell her your not sleeping with anyone who is fucking a bunch of other dudes.

That fix the forced into sex problem.

5 cents, please.


Lucy Van Pelt

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