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Sixth Day Open Threads, 24 Fourth Month

by: vox humana

Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 00:21:10 AM EDT


One of the best traditions of early fsz was the tendency of all different posters to put up open threads. Sometimes there were two or three going at once. It seemed like Fate, but fortunately none were ever cut short....

Anyway, hurrah for the free-for-all! Why make the creator of the place responsible for providing venues for the gift of gab, other than the fact that she has a gift for putting up funny pictures that sparkle? Can our conversation do the same?

And, yeah, since I put this up I decided to use Friends "plain language" for the dates. [Gentle Teaching Moment Alert! Proceed at your peril!] The original thought was that the numberings were more honest... for example: early Friends wouldn't have had a problem with "October," if it had actually been the eighth month in the calendar as per its name! Nowadays, though, it makes it clear to the bank if anyone tries to forge our checks. If only anyone ever wrote checks any more....

Anyway, have fun! Get serious! Try to be as nice as you ever feel like being... unless you don't feel like it. In which case, don't.

But... please do?
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vox' happy tomato tip: (3.00 / 1)
plant tomato seeds in those peat things that expand in water. Put them a little too far away from the grow light so they get a little leggy.

Save eggshells for two carton's worth. Put them in a freezer bag and actually freeze them. Take them out, and stomp on them. Pick a particularly bad day for best stomping action, but at least wear socks! Eggshells are sharp (N.B. I speak from experience).

When the tomato plants are tall enough, get three-inch peat pots, sprinkle some crushed eggshells on the bottom, add a little wet potting soil, then put the entire plant in, making sure only the leaves will be high enough to stick up when the pot is full of soil. Fill in the pot, covering the leggy stem, which will develop roots.

Again place a little too far from the grow light... let it get a little leggy again. Harden off and put in garden, again burying to just below the first leaves (pinch some lower leaves off if not "leggy enough"?!) making sure to sprinkle a few more crushed eggshells in the bottom of the planting hole.

Wait two to three months. You can fertilize if you want, but the calcium in the eggshells should get you through without it (it always does for me!). Just make sure water is consistent through the season.

Enjoy!

Brilliant, thanks (4.00 / 3)
eggshells are an underappreciated waste product.
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Love your new ratings...and congrats. (0.00 / 0)
...I emailed you....
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And hey yeah if anyone wants to Open Thread if the need arises I don't mind a bit (4.00 / 3)

just because October has '8 etymology' doesn't at all mean (4.00 / 2)
it 'has to' mean 8-month, or that it's 'dishonest' that it doesn't mean 8-month. The etymological mistake. Such a lame, rigid, conservative way of non-thinking. A word's etymology is its etymology, its meaning is its meaning. We, duh people, control the meaning of our words, and word historians control only the past.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep
Yeah but we're talking about a group of 17th breakaway puritans here (4.00 / 1)
who in america just happened to be smack dab in Germanic Pennsylvania.

(no offense vox, lol)

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None taken... but not quite! (0.00 / 0)
There was actually a brief time in this country's history when Quakerism was the majority religion.

Then Friends felt called to make the choice between power and purity, particularly in regards to slavery and Native American rights.

The denomination shrank. Exponentially.

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Sure it did, as do all benevolent ideas in the face of exploitative appropriation (4.00 / 2)
If only the shakers were still around. They really knew how to get down, I hear. More groups should be based on trance-dancing, it's a human constant.

You quakers don't dance, do you? :)

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Well, my son and daughter do... (4.00 / 1)
and that quite well. I am pretty bad at it, though. Most modern Friends love contra dancing, which leaves me flat cold.

Personally? I like dancing verbally. And here we are.

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Really, contradance? (4.00 / 1)
I thought that died with Marie and Louis.

Coordinated dance leaves me cold, like synch-swimming. Engaging to watch, but no real individual benefit for the participant, at least nothing near a runner's high, etc.  

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Depends on what you mean by (0.00 / 0)
"coordinated dance."

My son is studying ballet right now as a career. My daughter... modern dance as a serious hobby. What discipline they have to observe. When they went to the pediatrician last week, he couldn't stop talking about their hearts and the athletic ability he heard in their heartbeats. I never had any idea what that life is like, but I do now!

I always loved square dancing and ballroom dancing in physed lo! those many years ago.... Square dancing felt like math. Ballroom dancing like English.

Body English?

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Coordinated as in, group (4.00 / 1)
I was pretty deep into ballet for nearly a decade, and the group part of it was negligible...something that actually came as second nature when needed. Dance to me is individual mastery, likeany other art.
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You know, Laura, (4.00 / 1)
I am going to say something here that won't be popular because it is a note of gratitude:

You have an understanding of the arts that leads you to be able to "get" something like the "craziness" we are all going to see here from time to time.

You and I are going to disagree, vehemently even, my "future me" tells me. I hope so! But you don't appear to be likely to misunderstand or forget the discipline and work it takes to strike out as a misunderstood individual. That's the key.

I have learned in the last few years that under it all, everything is a dance. And here I thought it was music... but we musicians are merely servants to the real human truth that comes from movement. Movement forward at least I hope?

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Music and dance are inseparable, so yes. (4.00 / 1)

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Heh (0.00 / 0)
Waltz scene from Heaven's Gate.

I love this for some reason, it's a bit time-travelish.


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square dancing (4.00 / 1)
I thought I was the only kid unfortunate enough to have been forced to square dance in high school. Seriously, who the &$@*!! thought that idea would fly? The one positive it held for me was that as a drummer it helped refine my coordination and syncopation. On the downer side, as soon as that beauty of a brunette I was in love with got into my clutches she was twirling away again just as fast :o)

"May we live long and die out"
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Mine was the last (4.00 / 1)
class to have square dancing in P.E. class at Holiday time. Those coming behind us got disco. At the time I was resentful. Now? I guess it was better than country line dancing, I don't know...  

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."~Bill Hicks
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me too (4.00 / 1)
disco was just hitting it's popularity faze the year I was doing square dancing. I think the popular song that year was The Hustle. Yeesh....

Never paid it much mind though because if I had had my say the kids would've been dancing to Black Sabbath and Rush :o)

"May we live long and die out"

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We must be around (4.00 / 1)
the same age. Although, I do live in a hick town, we were a tad behind the times, I remember The Hustle being the big one too. All of that crowd wearing their shiny scenic disco shirts and my little group with our concert tees just a shaking our heads and blinking.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."~Bill Hicks
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I might be a year or two older (0.00 / 0)
I think the squares kept it up for a year or two after my class. I'm 47, give or take a few decades,depending on the circumstances of the day...

As far as what groups I hung out with or identified with, I think I pretty much cut out my own unique niche :o)

"May we live long and die out"

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I'm right there with you. (3.00 / 1)
46. I didn't have one group I hung with at school, only groups I didn't hang with. I just remember that it seemed that the people who were starting to pay really close attention to their wardrobes were coming up behind me. I don't remember it being that big of a deal before disco.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."~Bill Hicks
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you're right (4.00 / 2)
it wasn't a big deal. Then again, you weren't cool if you didn't have those Hang Ten t shirts in fifth grade!

"May we live long and die out"
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That's true now. (0.00 / 0)
That's not how people felt at the time, when Latin was not a dead language in the religious world.

The real idea that comes across is that there are no days or months more special than any other - every day is equally special. "Old school" Quakers (I include myself in that category for this matter) refer to "holidays" as 'the time called Christmas' or 'the time called Easter' to make the point that these days are no more special than any other. I like that. Dates are purely ordinal and cardinal numbers as much as possible under that system.

As I said... it was a Gentle Teaching Moment [tm?] regarding history. I didn't mean to suggest anyone had to think it was a good idea.

I do, though. But then, I work with Latin more than some might, so it is a little jarring to me to have "oct"ober be the tenth month.

Do "octo"pi have ten legs? "oct"agons ten sides?

Oh, well. It's fun to talk about anyway.

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I like that 'no day is better than another' attitude (4.00 / 1)
But I don't generally cut 18th centurians breaks, and that etymological mistake perspective lives and misrules surreptitiously still today.

It's late, this is a difficult but very interesting topic, so I'll try to get back to it some day. I think my problem is with the etymology 'rules' thing as a kind of 'Manicheanism' (sp?), but I can't exactly remember what that is after midnight here.

For attractive lips, speak words of kindness, For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people, For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. -- A-Hep

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Outdated? (3.75 / 4)
These days people pause for thought more over the idea that some days are special.  These days the general evidence is that none are.  Really that's been true since the industrial revolution.  There's no season to the work year these days, as there was in agricultural societies, no great religious celebrations (Christmas is four months of consumerism).  Beyond the days everything in modern life is built to be replaceable and "fungible" as Donald Rumsfeld said it.

This stands in contrast to the bible's holy days -- which you should recall at the time were a break with the way things had been.  One special day a week (these days people often work Sundays to the general detriment of society) and special days each year as well as the year of Jubilee itself every 25 years.

Celebration punctuates life and makes it worth something.  

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Very good points and poetically expressed; however, (0.00 / 0)
a wise blogger once told me to look to historical references first and foremost to determine what was meant in context.

At any rate... so - the idea of all days being equal has been a success! Communal egalitarianism? All days are equal.

Some are more equal than others?

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It has now been a week (4.00 / 1)
since I chased a wild deer.
maybe this weekend

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.
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Jubilee was every 50 years (4.00 / 1)

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They're all open threads (4.00 / 1)
However if La-- if sejemoje posts them then they don't go up in the recent diary list so nobody can see if there are any new replies there.  I would suggest that sejemoje ditch the "Laura" handle and create a new one that lacks the buggy behaviour of posting to the front page where nobody sees stuff.

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.
Don't panic honey I'm sure we'll soon achieve bloggal perfection (4.00 / 2)

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Ignore him... (4.00 / 2)
...it doesn't matter what your handle is...you'll always be Susan E to me.

Hasn't he been banned yet?  

wtf?

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Who is "Susan E"? (0.00 / 0)


"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.
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Susan Estrich (4.00 / 2)
I can't beleeeve you are so unfamiliar with your enemy.



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Where the '6 -- I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!'... (4.00 / 1)
...when you need it?
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Well the soapblox guy finally fixed the bug so now I can change ratings at whim (4.00 / 2)
I always loved 'Let's have some children' or variation. But I'm still wavering between austerity and audacity. Maybe I'll just randomly adjust from time to time like Jack, changing usernames. Riotous! (J/K!)
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I think ramdomly changing usernames... (4.00 / 1)
...is a really great idea.  Like a 'Crazy Button'.  ALL usernames get randomized.  Would make it hard to log in, but you might end up fighting with yourself in the middle of a thread.
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oh, the humanity! (0.00 / 0)
hahaha :oP

"May we live long and die out"
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Oh, (0.00 / 0)
How I've missed her.

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."~Bill Hicks
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? (0.00 / 0)
"feminist advocate, and political commentator for Fox News."

seems at odds somewhat?

"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it", Helen Keller, communist.

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Put Yo Drinks in the Air Wankers! (4.00 / 1)

Volunteer open threads and crushed shells in freezer bags (4.00 / 2)
Eggcellent thimking, vox heloise!

By the way, if you ever get a twitter feed, I think you should call it meta4.

 

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